| Broja update in The Athletic... 08:32 - Aug 27 with 9472 views | itfcjoe |
...doesn't say a lot but feels as though it's coming to a head
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5723572/2024/08/27/manchester-united-arsenal-tr
Armando Broja agreed to join Ipswich on loan with an obligation to buy worth £30million. However, the deal has suffered a complication because the striker suffered a foot injury in training with Chelsea. Ipswich are still in talks, but they have also started to look at other options. |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 10:24 - Aug 27 with 2288 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:58 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
I'm not saying it is! (Although any CF with an ACL is a big red flag, personally). But if he's carrying something that means we're not going to see the best of him for a couple of months minimum, is that really the best move for us? |
Depends on the alternative I guess. If you could promise we'd have Broja firing and playing like he was for Southampton between mid-Oct and the end of the season, then yes it is still a fantastic move. I guess that is what we are weighing up.
Chelsea are obviously struggling to move him elsewhere on the terms they want. And we obviously ideally want him despite the issue picked up. If we'd thought it was a major concern this deal would have collapsed a week ago. So just seems to me a deal both parties will want to happen and some compromise will be found to mitigate our risk financially. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:26]
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 10:45 - Aug 27 with 2159 views | portmanking |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 10:24 - Aug 27 by tractorboy1978 |
Depends on the alternative I guess. If you could promise we'd have Broja firing and playing like he was for Southampton between mid-Oct and the end of the season, then yes it is still a fantastic move. I guess that is what we are weighing up.
Chelsea are obviously struggling to move him elsewhere on the terms they want. And we obviously ideally want him despite the issue picked up. If we'd thought it was a major concern this deal would have collapsed a week ago. So just seems to me a deal both parties will want to happen and some compromise will be found to mitigate our risk financially. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 10:26]
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I just don't think it's a deal worth doing. I'd only entertain it if he was at Clarke/O'Shea level of fitness i.e. ready to contribute from day one.
We've got some favourable games in Sept and October - especially the latter. We can't afford to go into these without our main number 9 IMO.
I've seen everyone's favourite Guardian journalist also state similar this morning - there's no second chances this season. We need to get (almost) every decision right this summer to give ourselves the best opportunity to stay up. Integrating Broja in October/November just flies in the face of all our sound decisions so far this window. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 10:59 - Aug 27 with 2106 views | Vic |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:00 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
He's in the shop window due to the fact Chelsea have 73 players signed on. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 9:00]
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Sure, but it's not Poundland in Carr Street Ipswich, it' a window in High Street, Kensington! |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 11:04 - Aug 27 with 2066 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 10:45 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
I just don't think it's a deal worth doing. I'd only entertain it if he was at Clarke/O'Shea level of fitness i.e. ready to contribute from day one.
We've got some favourable games in Sept and October - especially the latter. We can't afford to go into these without our main number 9 IMO.
I've seen everyone's favourite Guardian journalist also state similar this morning - there's no second chances this season. We need to get (almost) every decision right this summer to give ourselves the best opportunity to stay up. Integrating Broja in October/November just flies in the face of all our sound decisions so far this window. |
Hard to really pass judgement without knowing the alternative option I think. You could easily go and spend £20m+ (assuming we even could, which I am not convinced we can) on someone from abroad that doesn't integrate, isn't the right fit or doesn't hit the ground running. The likelihood is that you end up with someone with a lower ceiling than Broja.
The season is a marathon, not a sprint and shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water over him possibly missing half a dozen games. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 11:08 - Aug 27 with 2038 views | portmanking |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 11:04 - Aug 27 by tractorboy1978 |
Hard to really pass judgement without knowing the alternative option I think. You could easily go and spend £20m+ (assuming we even could, which I am not convinced we can) on someone from abroad that doesn't integrate, isn't the right fit or doesn't hit the ground running. The likelihood is that you end up with someone with a lower ceiling than Broja.
The season is a marathon, not a sprint and shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water over him possibly missing half a dozen games. |
He'll miss 9 league games in total (most likely scenario).
That's a quarter of the season.
My personal view is this deal is the kind of risk we could take as a club that's stayed in the PL for a season or two. But as a newly promoted side, it's too fraught with danger IMO. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 11:12 - Aug 27 with 2000 views | chicoazul |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:48 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
You must be equally frustrated we bought Hirst in then. |
In fairness Hirst seems very injury prone. |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 11:14 - Aug 27 with 1997 views | BloomBlue |
We should have gone for Nketiah when we had the chance, at least he would be in the club already getting up to speed with how we play.
Hope I'm wrong but have a feeling we're going to get to Sat without another No.9 or one that cannot play until Nov at best |  | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 11:24 - Aug 27 with 1972 views | Ryorry |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 09:15 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
Well, I do think PK is overreacting.
Broja is not a Poundland player, he's not overly injury prone and the Club are being sensible. Add to that Broja fits the profile of the type of player we want in that position.
So, PKs post seems very dismissive of the transfer, which I find odd. |
PK is entitled to express his (perfectly reasonable imho) doubts, same as you and all the rest of us are entitled to express our views. |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 13:52 - Aug 27 with 1861 views | urbanpenguin |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 08:59 - Aug 27 by Vic |
I think PK's point is exactly that - this isn't Poundland anymore. You know there's a reason something is in that shop so you get what you pay for and accept when it breaks after first use. Go shopping in a reputable store (like we are now) and you pay more so you expect what you buy to be fit for purpose (pun intended), not something that might break or be unreliable. We're not shopping in Poundland anymore so we need to make sure what we get isn't poundland reliability |
But dealing with Chelsea is in no way like "shopping in a reputable store". They have an awful reputation. |  | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 14:26 - Aug 27 with 1813 views | Churchman |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 10:59 - Aug 27 by Vic |
Sure, but it's not Poundland in Carr Street Ipswich, it' a window in High Street, Kensington! |
Chelsea are more like Delboy down the market. He signed a contract with them until 2028. Got a serious knee injury. Now an achilles problem. If they didn’t know about it, they should have. Chelsea don’t want him and want to unload him. Fair enough. Brentford headed for the hills, Fulham saw him up close - no thanks and if he was that great why aren’t Southampton sniffing around given they couldn’t score in a brothel?
I don’t blame Chelsea in the least. It’s business and up to the buying club to not panic into regrets. Hopefully we are a different club to the one that failed to get it right on more than one occasion in the past. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 14:30]
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:25 - Aug 27 with 1716 views | portmanking |
Well, I'm livid. It sounds like we've signed him. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:28 - Aug 27 with 1651 views | itfcjoe |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:25 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Well, I'm livid. It sounds like we've signed him. |
Livid a strange reaction, clearly our number 1 target and he’s cleared what we need him to do | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:29 - Aug 27 with 1629 views | portmanking |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:28 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
Livid a strange reaction, clearly our number 1 target and he’s cleared what we need him to do |
He won't be fit to train until 14th October... | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:30 - Aug 27 with 1604 views | DarkBrandon |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:25 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Well, I'm livid. It sounds like we've signed him. |
It does? |  | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:30 - Aug 27 with 1574 views | pointofblue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:28 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
Livid a strange reaction, clearly our number 1 target and he’s cleared what we need him to do |
Yeah. So did Camara.
Obviously just my opinion, but not impressed with this. Feels like a stupid move considering the position we're in and our needs. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:33 - Aug 27 with 1506 views | itfcjoe |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:30 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
Yeah. So did Camara.
Obviously just my opinion, but not impressed with this. Feels like a stupid move considering the position we're in and our needs. |
We didn’t speak to Camara until deadline day, so I doubt he passed much medical wise / it’s totally different | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:36 - Aug 27 with 1421 views | pointofblue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:33 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
We didn’t speak to Camara until deadline day, so I doubt he passed much medical wise / it’s totally different |
Still don't have to like it and still can think it's utterly stupid considering the other possibilities out there who can provide something now. IF this has gone ahead, of course. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:38 - Aug 27 with 1396 views | Vegtablue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 14:26 - Aug 27 by Churchman |
Chelsea are more like Delboy down the market. He signed a contract with them until 2028. Got a serious knee injury. Now an achilles problem. If they didn’t know about it, they should have. Chelsea don’t want him and want to unload him. Fair enough. Brentford headed for the hills, Fulham saw him up close - no thanks and if he was that great why aren’t Southampton sniffing around given they couldn’t score in a brothel?
I don’t blame Chelsea in the least. It’s business and up to the buying club to not panic into regrets. Hopefully we are a different club to the one that failed to get it right on more than one occasion in the past. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 14:30]
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Tbf I think Brentford headed for the hills over our new midfielder Cajuste. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:39 - Aug 27 with 1386 views | Turkelton96 |
Damn really liked the look of that Denkey thought he would've been a shrewd acquisition if it is Broja we sign. | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:39 - Aug 27 with 1382 views | itfcjoe |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:36 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
Still don't have to like it and still can think it's utterly stupid considering the other possibilities out there who can provide something now. IF this has gone ahead, of course. |
You can not like it, but no need to make false equivalences on it.
I’m not sure it sits right as all 3 camps haven’t always seemed committed to it, but we’ve done enough due diligence on it as have effectively had a cooling off period and still pushing ahead with it (after testing the market over weekend again) | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:41 - Aug 27 with 1309 views | Vegtablue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:39 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
You can not like it, but no need to make false equivalences on it.
I’m not sure it sits right as all 3 camps haven’t always seemed committed to it, but we’ve done enough due diligence on it as have effectively had a cooling off period and still pushing ahead with it (after testing the market over weekend again) |
You guys are talking as if it is now a done deal. 👀 | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:45 - Aug 27 with 1246 views | pointofblue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:39 - Aug 27 by itfcjoe |
You can not like it, but no need to make false equivalences on it.
I’m not sure it sits right as all 3 camps haven’t always seemed committed to it, but we’ve done enough due diligence on it as have effectively had a cooling off period and still pushing ahead with it (after testing the market over weekend again) |
I'd say two camps - us and Broja. I think Chelsea would have dealt with whoever wanted him just to get rid. But you're right, it doesn't feel like Broja was feeling the project, and we must have had doubts ourselves about his fitness. To go with him would be concerning as it means we'll lack depth in a key position until he returns. | |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:50 - Aug 27 with 1205 views | Vegtablue |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:45 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
I'd say two camps - us and Broja. I think Chelsea would have dealt with whoever wanted him just to get rid. But you're right, it doesn't feel like Broja was feeling the project, and we must have had doubts ourselves about his fitness. To go with him would be concerning as it means we'll lack depth in a key position until he returns. |
Would speak to how good we think he is compared to other available and affordable options (or the other way around if more of a glass half empty person aha). | | | |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 18:00 - Aug 27 with 1082 views | SitfcB |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:25 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Well, I'm livid. It sounds like we've signed him. |
Banter era 2.0? |  |
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| Broja update in The Athletic... on 18:04 - Aug 27 with 1011 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Broja update in The Athletic... on 17:30 - Aug 27 by pointofblue |
Yeah. So did Camara.
Obviously just my opinion, but not impressed with this. Feels like a stupid move considering the position we're in and our needs. |
We just must be convinced that we can't get a better option within our budget and that he will be worth the wait. A risk that we don't know will pay off until the end of the season, I guess.
Not that mad at it, I'd rather get a better option and wait rather than get someone who we will have to move on/pay to sit in reserve who we don't fancy. |  |
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