| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. 21:56 - Aug 27 with 23191 views | Kieran_Knows |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 07:31 - Aug 28 with 3963 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 07:25 - Aug 28 by NeedhamChris |
Is there anything other than his mental health issues you plan on contributing about? |
No as I don't know anything about it him. |  |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 07:44 - Aug 28 with 3835 views | SheffordBlue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 07:18 - Aug 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Hang on, potentially £25 mill for a striker with mental health issues...
Nothing wrong with having depression, and fair play for him seeking help with that
But what an odd purchase. |
You can get better from depression. It's an illness that lots of people fully recover from.
I would hope that the club just treat this like any other health/injury risk factor when they are looking at bringing someone in and assess what the risk is and how they might manage it. |  |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 08:41 - Aug 28 with 3590 views | chicoazul |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 00:28 - Aug 28 by J2BLUE |
Chico has been doing his ITK act for a while now. Just takes things in the public domain and adds a bit on or just guesses. Don't waste your time. |
He hasn’t signed after being at Playford for a day. Chelsea can’t wait to get rid. He’s been our top target this summer. It’s not hard to figure out is it? |  |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 08:43 - Aug 28 with 3576 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 07:18 - Aug 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Hang on, potentially £25 mill for a striker with mental health issues...
Nothing wrong with having depression, and fair play for him seeking help with that
But what an odd purchase. |
You really don’t half talk some absolute b*llocks. Deary me. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 08:50 - Aug 28 with 3484 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 08:43 - Aug 28 by Kieran_Knows |
You really don’t half talk some absolute b*llocks. Deary me. |
Whilst I agree, i don't with this one
Many were against the free transfer of Brandon Williams, who had his own illness that he was fighting against.
I'm well aware these are different circumstances and everyone's situation is different, however it is a high valuation to put against a player who did have to take time out of the football season to obtain help which as I already was great for him to seek it, many others dont.
Free Transfer, or a small value purchase i'd be fully behind, but an obligation to buy of such a high value for me is a wrong move to make. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:01 - Aug 28 with 3347 views | SheffordBlue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 08:50 - Aug 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst I agree, i don't with this one
Many were against the free transfer of Brandon Williams, who had his own illness that he was fighting against.
I'm well aware these are different circumstances and everyone's situation is different, however it is a high valuation to put against a player who did have to take time out of the football season to obtain help which as I already was great for him to seek it, many others dont.
Free Transfer, or a small value purchase i'd be fully behind, but an obligation to buy of such a high value for me is a wrong move to make. |
Without knowing a detailed diagnosis I think it's impossible to form a judgement one way or another on this. He might be fully better and not require any ongoing treatment. Only the player, clubs and any medical professionals involved in his treatment will know all the details and therefore any ongoing risk.
All players come with some form of medical/health risk associated with them. Some get more publicity than others but all have risk factors and none of us on here can realistically judge Fosters. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:09 - Aug 28 with 3249 views | pointofblue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 08:50 - Aug 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst I agree, i don't with this one
Many were against the free transfer of Brandon Williams, who had his own illness that he was fighting against.
I'm well aware these are different circumstances and everyone's situation is different, however it is a high valuation to put against a player who did have to take time out of the football season to obtain help which as I already was great for him to seek it, many others dont.
Free Transfer, or a small value purchase i'd be fully behind, but an obligation to buy of such a high value for me is a wrong move to make. |
Thankfully there is a lot more understanding and respect towards mental health than their used to be. My concerns over the £25m doesn't relate to any issues off the pitch, where he seems to be a passionate and dedicated team mate, but on it. Is he really worth that amount of money?
It feels like we've narrowed in on wanting somebody with Premier League experience as our final striker. We also have very little money to play with upfront, so it has to be a loan with a potential obligation to buy if the selling team want rid. That leaves us with limited options. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:18 - Aug 28 with 3141 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:09 - Aug 28 by pointofblue |
Thankfully there is a lot more understanding and respect towards mental health than their used to be. My concerns over the £25m doesn't relate to any issues off the pitch, where he seems to be a passionate and dedicated team mate, but on it. Is he really worth that amount of money?
It feels like we've narrowed in on wanting somebody with Premier League experience as our final striker. We also have very little money to play with upfront, so it has to be a loan with a potential obligation to buy if the selling team want rid. That leaves us with limited options. |
He may not be worth '25M' purely based on goal output but we're maybe talking about a 5M overspend.
There's also a chance that the fee is inclusive of loan fee/add-ons etc like the Broja deal.
The final thing to mention is that the journalist is sourcing from a Burnley end. He's had most of the scoops on their outgoings and given the feeling within their fanbase, possibly he's been fed a figure that might appease their fanbase.
As Phil said, he heard a different figure over the weekend. [Post edited 28 Aug 2024 9:19]
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:24 - Aug 28 with 3041 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 22:24 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
I've no idea what's gone on here. As of teatime I was told Broja had already been done and was in Suffolk all day today. What an about-turn this is - screams even more of a panic move than Odsonne Edouard.
I don't wish to stigmatise but Burnley fans have said he has really fragile mental health. I do hope we've done our homework on this one....
Looks like this one is done as Tavolieri has a 100% hit rate on our dealings this summer.
EDIT: Looks like FFP means we're having to go for a loan-to-buy for any Broja alternative. May explain why Denkey is a no-go. Although I'd kill for Kev over Lyle Foster right now. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 22:26]
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Maybe we're going for both
Broja deal means we've kept him away from someone else and over time he'll be our main number 9
Foster as the striker for now and rotation when Broja is fit
Delap and Ogbene and Burns to fight it out for the right hand side slot. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:38 - Aug 28 with 2892 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:24 - Aug 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Maybe we're going for both
Broja deal means we've kept him away from someone else and over time he'll be our main number 9
Foster as the striker for now and rotation when Broja is fit
Delap and Ogbene and Burns to fight it out for the right hand side slot. |
Can't get both, we only have one domestic loan left after Phillips.
Three first-team strikers for a side that plays one up top is more than enough IMO. | | | |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:42 - Aug 28 with 2804 views | pointofblue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:24 - Aug 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Maybe we're going for both
Broja deal means we've kept him away from someone else and over time he'll be our main number 9
Foster as the striker for now and rotation when Broja is fit
Delap and Ogbene and Burns to fight it out for the right hand side slot. |
I can't see us going for two obligation to buy loans totalling up to £55m on survival and knocking out next year's budget when, in all likelihood, only one of the strikers will be a success at most.
ETA - And, as said, we can't have three domestic loans anyway. [Post edited 28 Aug 2024 9:43]
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:54 - Aug 28 with 2693 views | Len_Brennan |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:09 - Aug 28 by pointofblue |
Thankfully there is a lot more understanding and respect towards mental health than their used to be. My concerns over the £25m doesn't relate to any issues off the pitch, where he seems to be a passionate and dedicated team mate, but on it. Is he really worth that amount of money?
It feels like we've narrowed in on wanting somebody with Premier League experience as our final striker. We also have very little money to play with upfront, so it has to be a loan with a potential obligation to buy if the selling team want rid. That leaves us with limited options. |
I'm all for respecting every player as an individual & as a club we have a duty of care that extends well beyond what happens on the pitch, but I don't understand how you can't have any concerns relating to possible off pitch issues, when we are talking about a £25m signing who only last season missed a reported 2 months due to off pitch issues.
It is the financial outlay of course, but also the fact that bringing someone new into the registered squad means that somebody else will have to be moved out; Al Hamadi most likely.
Of course mental health can be treated & there is no guarantee that he will have another/further episodes like had happened last season - none of us know the circumstances, nor should - but it does suggest that there may be something there that should be medically/professionally considered, juat like you would with any condition that caused a player to miss a significant period of playing time so recently. We need an addition centre forward in, mainly because Hirst is out injured for at least another month & we want to bring on a similar style player to Delap in the 65th minute or so in every league game. With the money/fees already invested this summer, this is a crucial piece of recruitment for us. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 10:28 - Aug 28 with 2494 views | pointofblue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:54 - Aug 28 by Len_Brennan |
I'm all for respecting every player as an individual & as a club we have a duty of care that extends well beyond what happens on the pitch, but I don't understand how you can't have any concerns relating to possible off pitch issues, when we are talking about a £25m signing who only last season missed a reported 2 months due to off pitch issues.
It is the financial outlay of course, but also the fact that bringing someone new into the registered squad means that somebody else will have to be moved out; Al Hamadi most likely.
Of course mental health can be treated & there is no guarantee that he will have another/further episodes like had happened last season - none of us know the circumstances, nor should - but it does suggest that there may be something there that should be medically/professionally considered, juat like you would with any condition that caused a player to miss a significant period of playing time so recently. We need an addition centre forward in, mainly because Hirst is out injured for at least another month & we want to bring on a similar style player to Delap in the 65th minute or so in every league game. With the money/fees already invested this summer, this is a crucial piece of recruitment for us. |
If someone missed two months due to physical injury, we'd do due diligence on them and make a decision - as we seemingly have done with Broja. Mental health should be no different, and I'm sure we have done so.
My concern is his record on the pitch. Hopefully the £25m will be made up of clauses etc. rather than be completely up front. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 10:34 - Aug 28 with 2419 views | PimsNumber1 |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 22:12 - Aug 27 by Parky |
Christ, how far down ‘the list’ must he be? Will end up giving Burnley the best part of £50m for 3 of their players that got them relegated. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 23:00]
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 10:39 - Aug 28 with 2353 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 10:28 - Aug 28 by pointofblue |
If someone missed two months due to physical injury, we'd do due diligence on them and make a decision - as we seemingly have done with Broja. Mental health should be no different, and I'm sure we have done so.
My concern is his record on the pitch. Hopefully the £25m will be made up of clauses etc. rather than be completely up front. |
Much easier from a medical point of view though to be able to judge a persons physical capability and ways to minimize future issues - look at Tuanzebe. It's still risky of course ala Camara, but then financially it wasn't a massive outlay to begin with so worth the risk.
But there isn't a medical way of knowing a mental health issue won't suddenly arise again, so there's a lot of hope going into this one rather than risk assessment imo. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:01 - Aug 28 with 2200 views | urbanpenguin |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 07:44 - Aug 28 by SheffordBlue |
You can get better from depression. It's an illness that lots of people fully recover from.
I would hope that the club just treat this like any other health/injury risk factor when they are looking at bringing someone in and assess what the risk is and how they might manage it. |
I have had depression and mental health issues in the past, and it never really leaves you. It would really annoy me if I never got work again because of my past health. |  | | |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:05 - Aug 28 with 2145 views | urbanpenguin |
never seen the documentary, looks like a toxic dressing room and I can't see McK letting ours head that way, even if we start to struggle. | | | |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:09 - Aug 28 with 2079 views | Vic |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 00:45 - Aug 28 by J2BLUE |
I know you can basically make a case for anything these days as there are so many stats but McKenna says he wants to add attributes to the squad. Some interesting stats...
24 appearances (equivalent of 21 full matches)
5 goals. 3 with right foot, 2 with left
33 clearances so would also help defensively. 21 were headers.
34 shots, 17 on target. 50% shot accuracy. 6 big chances missed. Definitely something there for McKenna to work with and if we can feed him more ammunition and sharpen that finishing rate a little we could have a good player. Do these stats suggest he wasn't played as an out and out striker for Burnley? No idea. |
So basically, based on last season, he's a 8 goal a season striker. If KM can improve him and we can give him a load more chances he may go up to a 12 goal a season striker. Right now I'll take that.
But he still seems a bit underwhelming compared to the rest of our signing this summer.
It's also verging on having a feel of Paul Cooks mad summer a few years ago - though this is very targeted and specific whereas cookie went all kid in a sweet shop on us! |  |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:12 - Aug 28 with 2037 views | Vic |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 09:18 - Aug 28 by Bellevue_Blue |
He may not be worth '25M' purely based on goal output but we're maybe talking about a 5M overspend.
There's also a chance that the fee is inclusive of loan fee/add-ons etc like the Broja deal.
The final thing to mention is that the journalist is sourcing from a Burnley end. He's had most of the scoops on their outgoings and given the feeling within their fanbase, possibly he's been fed a figure that might appease their fanbase.
As Phil said, he heard a different figure over the weekend. [Post edited 28 Aug 2024 9:19]
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I guess the thinking is that if we stay up then he probably will be worth that much. Go down and he goes back and we've lost little | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:14 - Aug 28 with 2012 views | portmanking |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:09 - Aug 28 by Vic |
So basically, based on last season, he's a 8 goal a season striker. If KM can improve him and we can give him a load more chances he may go up to a 12 goal a season striker. Right now I'll take that.
But he still seems a bit underwhelming compared to the rest of our signing this summer.
It's also verging on having a feel of Paul Cooks mad summer a few years ago - though this is very targeted and specific whereas cookie went all kid in a sweet shop on us! |
I really do think that's disingenuous to compare with Cook's summer spree.
We lost 6 players after Huddersfield due to contract expiries etc, so there's 6 players we immediately needed to replace/upgrade. Add in another six to try and add competition/upgrade other areas of the squad and I don't see why a dozen signings feels too much?
It may be because several have come in towards the back end of the window, but that's the reality of the market, we have to wait for certain dominoes to fall. | | | |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:21 - Aug 28 with 1927 views | Vic |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:14 - Aug 28 by portmanking |
I really do think that's disingenuous to compare with Cook's summer spree.
We lost 6 players after Huddersfield due to contract expiries etc, so there's 6 players we immediately needed to replace/upgrade. Add in another six to try and add competition/upgrade other areas of the squad and I don't see why a dozen signings feels too much?
It may be because several have come in towards the back end of the window, but that's the reality of the market, we have to wait for certain dominoes to fall. |
Yeah, it's no big deal for me and I certainly wouldn't want to push an agenda. I'm just reflecting on the fact that cook brought in what, 19 players and by the end of this window we might be on 13 or 14. I don't recall anyone was predicting that number of signings earlier in the summer.
Also, just as Cooks clear out and influx was needed and in part a catalyst to where we are now, so is the current overhaul of the squad following such a meteoric rise. | |
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| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:22 - Aug 28 with 1909 views | Europablue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:01 - Aug 28 by urbanpenguin |
I have had depression and mental health issues in the past, and it never really leaves you. It would really annoy me if I never got work again because of my past health. |
This case isn't about someone never working again. He already has a contract at a job. It is a risk factor, but who would be to say that he's more suited to being at ITFC. The atmosphere seems more positive. There is intense professionalism and some tough decisions are made, but they are made respectfully and we thank players as they leave. It's also much nicer to live in Suffolk than Burnley. | | | |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:29 - Aug 28 with 1798 views | Europablue |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:14 - Aug 28 by portmanking |
I really do think that's disingenuous to compare with Cook's summer spree.
We lost 6 players after Huddersfield due to contract expiries etc, so there's 6 players we immediately needed to replace/upgrade. Add in another six to try and add competition/upgrade other areas of the squad and I don't see why a dozen signings feels too much?
It may be because several have come in towards the back end of the window, but that's the reality of the market, we have to wait for certain dominoes to fall. |
The one thing that will be similar is that we will have a bedding in period (I hope no one talks about gelling).
Last season we had a big advantage of having a very settled squad. There is very little margin for error when you are going for automatic promotion. Our expectations for the season just involve staying up, so we can still come on strong at the end of the season and move up the table. It was never essential to win 7 out of the first 10 matches.
All these incomings were necessary, the main reason being that we need to recruit for the Premier League after recruiting for the Championship.
I don't like all these new players coming in, because I prefer having a team with players that I have been following on the journey, but each of our favourites was new only about 3 years ago. Szmodics already looks like he could be a fan favourite. | | | |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:55 - Aug 28 with 1600 views | Asa |
| Lyle Foster - Burnley…. on 11:22 - Aug 28 by Europablue |
This case isn't about someone never working again. He already has a contract at a job. It is a risk factor, but who would be to say that he's more suited to being at ITFC. The atmosphere seems more positive. There is intense professionalism and some tough decisions are made, but they are made respectfully and we thank players as they leave. It's also much nicer to live in Suffolk than Burnley. |
I have very little experience on the subject of mental health and it's a massively important and complex situation to understand.
But knowing McKenna and how much love and belief he gives players and having seen the Burnley documentary and Kompany screaming at players, on the face of it you'd imagine it's a very different environment which would presumably be a much more positive place from a mental health standing. | | | |
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