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The USA election campaigns 16:36 - Oct 28 with 28751 viewsnoggin

Is America really your closest ally? What a f**kin circus.

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The USA election campaigns on 16:46 - Oct 28 with 10800 viewsIllinoisblue

A very depressing circus. That it’s even close is baffling beyond all reason. Would hate to jinx it but from reading a lot of political junkies and poll watchers, indications are Harris should win.

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The USA election campaigns on 16:49 - Oct 28 with 10777 viewsbaxterbasics

The USA election campaigns on 16:46 - Oct 28 by Illinoisblue

A very depressing circus. That it’s even close is baffling beyond all reason. Would hate to jinx it but from reading a lot of political junkies and poll watchers, indications are Harris should win.


Not according to the poll averages over at the excellent

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

It's all Trump there, more comfortably than in the previous two elections too.

Edit - it's all very narrow margins, but Biden last time and Clinton before him, had bigger leads in the polls at this point.
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The USA election campaigns on 16:54 - Oct 28 with 10750 viewsnoggin

Meh, will life get better for the average American, regardless of who wins? Will either of them have the balls to call out Israel?

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The USA election campaigns on 16:56 - Oct 28 with 10709 viewsGlasgowBlue

The USA election campaigns on 16:54 - Oct 28 by noggin

Meh, will life get better for the average American, regardless of who wins? Will either of them have the balls to call out Israel?


Well that didn't take long for you to make the thread about Israel did it?

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The USA election campaigns on 16:58 - Oct 28 with 10701 viewsEdwardStone

The USA election campaigns on 16:46 - Oct 28 by Illinoisblue

A very depressing circus. That it’s even close is baffling beyond all reason. Would hate to jinx it but from reading a lot of political junkies and poll watchers, indications are Harris should win.


Trump tried to overthrow the election result 4 years ago.....first by attempting to manipulate the process and then by violence on Jan 4th

And now.....for some unfathomable reason, he gets to have another go

Surely the "system" should have the guts and wherewithall to disbar him from attempting to hold public office ever again

It is madness
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The USA election campaigns on 17:02 - Oct 28 with 10683 viewsPhilTWTD

The USA election campaigns on 16:49 - Oct 28 by baxterbasics

Not according to the poll averages over at the excellent

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

It's all Trump there, more comfortably than in the previous two elections too.

Edit - it's all very narrow margins, but Biden last time and Clinton before him, had bigger leads in the polls at this point.
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That is a right-leaning site and it's alleged elsewhere there have been deliberate attempts to flood the polling space with biased right-leaning polls.

But agree, generally, the word is it's going to be close, however, wouldn't entirely surprise me if Harris wins more comfortably than predicted. Early voting in swing states seems in her favour, turnout appears to be high, which again ought to favour her, and if the polls are like 2022, then the Dem vote was under-represented.
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The USA election campaigns on 17:07 - Oct 28 with 10605 viewsbaxterbasics

The USA election campaigns on 16:54 - Oct 28 by noggin

Meh, will life get better for the average American, regardless of who wins? Will either of them have the balls to call out Israel?


BBC Radio 4 last week made for interesting listening.

They were talking to Arab and Muslim *DEM* activists (not just voters, activists on the left of the party) who feel so betrayed by Biden/Harris over Israel that they are prepared to vote Trump in protest.

Even when reminded about Trump's rhetoric on migrants and the 'Muslim ban' last time, they didn't care. "We survived four years of Trump fine last time. But the current admin is supporting the bombing of our families in Palestine. We need to punish them." was the general tone.

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The USA election campaigns on 17:09 - Oct 28 with 10599 viewspositivity

The USA election campaigns on 16:54 - Oct 28 by noggin

Meh, will life get better for the average American, regardless of who wins? Will either of them have the balls to call out Israel?


life for the poorer citizens of america will get much worse if trump wins.

same for the citizens of the world if he gets to enact his isolationist, climate-destroying policies

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The USA election campaigns on 17:14 - Oct 28 with 10562 viewsbaxterbasics

The USA election campaigns on 17:02 - Oct 28 by PhilTWTD

That is a right-leaning site and it's alleged elsewhere there have been deliberate attempts to flood the polling space with biased right-leaning polls.

But agree, generally, the word is it's going to be close, however, wouldn't entirely surprise me if Harris wins more comfortably than predicted. Early voting in swing states seems in her favour, turnout appears to be high, which again ought to favour her, and if the polls are like 2022, then the Dem vote was under-represented.


I always considered it pretty balanced. Was first pointed to it by recommendation of a politics and government lecturer at university who was definitely not right leaning himself.

But it may have drifted since then.

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The USA election campaigns on 17:16 - Oct 28 with 10544 viewspositivity

The USA election campaigns on 17:14 - Oct 28 by baxterbasics

I always considered it pretty balanced. Was first pointed to it by recommendation of a politics and government lecturer at university who was definitely not right leaning himself.

But it may have drifted since then.


a lot of things have drifted in the last 8 years, so wouldn't be surprised in the slightest...

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The USA election campaigns on 17:20 - Oct 28 with 10531 viewsPhilTWTD

The USA election campaigns on 17:14 - Oct 28 by baxterbasics

I always considered it pretty balanced. Was first pointed to it by recommendation of a politics and government lecturer at university who was definitely not right leaning himself.

But it may have drifted since then.


Its Wikipedia page says pretty much exactly that: "In 2008, the site's founders said their goal was to give readers "ideological diversity", although in recent years it has become more associated with conservatism and the political right."

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The USA election campaigns on 17:21 - Oct 28 with 10503 viewsbaxterbasics

The USA election campaigns on 17:16 - Oct 28 by positivity

a lot of things have drifted in the last 8 years, so wouldn't be surprised in the slightest...


That was back in 2009, early days of Obama's stint. Back then the nuttier end of the right was the Tea Party and the 'birthers' which I suppose was MAGA in embryo.

Where did all the years go?

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The USA election campaigns on 17:28 - Oct 28 with 10451 viewsIllinoisblue

The USA election campaigns on 17:14 - Oct 28 by baxterbasics

I always considered it pretty balanced. Was first pointed to it by recommendation of a politics and government lecturer at university who was definitely not right leaning himself.

But it may have drifted since then.


More veered than drifted. Just look at its home page and the sources they are linking to. They’re not even pretending to be balanced

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The USA election campaigns on 17:48 - Oct 28 with 10352 viewsNthQldITFC

The USA election campaigns on 17:28 - Oct 28 by Illinoisblue

More veered than drifted. Just look at its home page and the sources they are linking to. They’re not even pretending to be balanced


538 is my go to, but I don't know if they have a kink or not.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

Edit: here's a site which purports to assess media bias, but who knows whether they are biased themselves? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fivethirtyeight/ => "Centre Left"
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-clear-politics/ => "Centre Right"
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/LookEast/ => "Budgie scumbags"
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The USA election campaigns on 17:59 - Oct 28 with 10297 viewsmarKoffC

The USA election campaigns on 16:46 - Oct 28 by Illinoisblue

A very depressing circus. That it’s even close is baffling beyond all reason. Would hate to jinx it but from reading a lot of political junkies and poll watchers, indications are Harris should win.


Betfair Exchange has Trump victory 1.62 to Harris 2.66 (roughly 5/8 to 13/8) and there's £108 million traded on the market...
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The USA election campaigns on 18:02 - Oct 28 with 10254 viewsFtnfwest

The USA election campaigns on 16:54 - Oct 28 by noggin

Meh, will life get better for the average American, regardless of who wins? Will either of them have the balls to call out Israel?


Probably will tbh as the average American is Mexican these days.
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The USA election campaigns on 18:39 - Oct 28 with 10134 viewsThe_Romford_Blue

The USA election campaigns on 16:46 - Oct 28 by Illinoisblue

A very depressing circus. That it’s even close is baffling beyond all reason. Would hate to jinx it but from reading a lot of political junkies and poll watchers, indications are Harris should win.


Trump clear favs with us and the betfair political podcast I listen to seem to be suggesting all the late money has been for him with the move from 1.98 to 1.64 a huge gamble

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The USA election campaigns on 19:03 - Oct 28 with 9993 viewsLord_Lucan

The USA election campaigns on 18:39 - Oct 28 by The_Romford_Blue

Trump clear favs with us and the betfair political podcast I listen to seem to be suggesting all the late money has been for him with the move from 1.98 to 1.64 a huge gamble


Extremely depressing but pump your money on Trump.

Many media outlets are not prepared to back Harris as their preferred candidate in fear of Trump reprisals if he wins. Therefore - It's all about Trump

Much rubbish has been spouted on here about "Are we fascist yet", complete brain dead stuff.


..........This though, well, it's not great is it?

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The USA election campaigns on 19:11 - Oct 28 with 9922 viewsEuropablue

The USA election campaigns on 17:20 - Oct 28 by PhilTWTD

Its Wikipedia page says pretty much exactly that: "In 2008, the site's founders said their goal was to give readers "ideological diversity", although in recent years it has become more associated with conservatism and the political right."

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Wikipedia itself is very left-leaning. It can be a good source for scientific things like chemical formulas, but for any field where there is room for opinion, it will be biased.
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The USA election campaigns on 19:14 - Oct 28 with 9898 viewsEuropablue

The USA election campaigns on 19:03 - Oct 28 by Lord_Lucan

Extremely depressing but pump your money on Trump.

Many media outlets are not prepared to back Harris as their preferred candidate in fear of Trump reprisals if he wins. Therefore - It's all about Trump

Much rubbish has been spouted on here about "Are we fascist yet", complete brain dead stuff.


..........This though, well, it's not great is it?


Could it possibly be that Harris is not a good candidate and it feels like she has just been appointed as the candidate rather than earned it, and been part of an unpopular administration in which she was lying to keep Biden in power even though he did not have the mental capacity?
It is an absolute disaster to have no-one actual know who is in charge.
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The USA election campaigns on 19:14 - Oct 28 with 9900 viewsPhilTWTD

The USA election campaigns on 19:11 - Oct 28 by Europablue

Wikipedia itself is very left-leaning. It can be a good source for scientific things like chemical formulas, but for any field where there is room for opinion, it will be biased.


Perhaps, but in that instance I think it's summarising a wider view rather than giving an editorial view as such.
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The USA election campaigns on 19:16 - Oct 28 with 9880 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

The USA election campaigns on 19:03 - Oct 28 by Lord_Lucan

Extremely depressing but pump your money on Trump.

Many media outlets are not prepared to back Harris as their preferred candidate in fear of Trump reprisals if he wins. Therefore - It's all about Trump

Much rubbish has been spouted on here about "Are we fascist yet", complete brain dead stuff.


..........This though, well, it's not great is it?


.....although he is going to "end inflation " so.....

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The USA election campaigns on 19:17 - Oct 28 with 9881 viewsThe_Romford_Blue

The USA election campaigns on 19:03 - Oct 28 by Lord_Lucan

Extremely depressing but pump your money on Trump.

Many media outlets are not prepared to back Harris as their preferred candidate in fear of Trump reprisals if he wins. Therefore - It's all about Trump

Much rubbish has been spouted on here about "Are we fascist yet", complete brain dead stuff.


..........This though, well, it's not great is it?


I had £500 at 1.82 about 2 weeks ago.

And have also played more recently at 7/4 for the election winner to lose the popular vote. Frankly that’s ridiculous as trump is odds on everywhere and the republicans have only won the popular vote once since 1980. Market discrepancy

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The USA election campaigns on 19:27 - Oct 28 with 9837 viewsTresBonne

I've put down some good money on a Harris win. Think she'll just about edge swing states.

One thing that is certain is, it's going to be extremely tight. Sure I read somewhere that it may come down to a few thousand votes in the end?!
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The USA election campaigns on 20:36 - Oct 28 with 9659 viewsbsw72

The USA election campaigns on 18:39 - Oct 28 by The_Romford_Blue

Trump clear favs with us and the betfair political podcast I listen to seem to be suggesting all the late money has been for him with the move from 1.98 to 1.64 a huge gamble


Financial markets have priced in a trump win over the last few weeks, will be interesting if Harris wins.
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