| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… 13:17 - Oct 30 with 32494 views | SitfcB |
Cut by 1.7% - one penny off a pint. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:20 - Oct 31 with 2391 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:00 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
You flatter yourself if you think you ask difficult questions.
Dear God🤣 |
If they're not difficult, answer them! |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:52 - Oct 31 with 2325 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:48 - Oct 31 by positivity |
let them go to belgium if they don't care about the country.
imagine being so tight and unpatriotic that you would move from your family and friends and your country just to pay a few quid less in tax! |
Belgium you mean? Not very interesting unless you are French.
Maybe do some more research.
A few quid,you’re having a laugh |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:00 - Oct 31 with 2307 views | leitrimblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:48 - Oct 31 by positivity |
let them go to belgium if they don't care about the country.
imagine being so tight and unpatriotic that you would move from your family and friends and your country just to pay a few quid less in tax! |
Anyone leaving the country to save a few quid in tax clearly don't have that much love for the country and are probably not as patriotic as they declare.
Also wouldn't leaving the UK to save paying a few quid on tax make you some kinda economic migrant? Some have previously suggested that their the worst kind |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:23 - Oct 31 with 2268 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:00 - Oct 31 by leitrimblue |
Anyone leaving the country to save a few quid in tax clearly don't have that much love for the country and are probably not as patriotic as they declare.
Also wouldn't leaving the UK to save paying a few quid on tax make you some kinda economic migrant? Some have previously suggested that their the worst kind |
You got no traction on Benters thread, but keep trying🤣 | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:45 - Oct 31 with 2225 views | leitrimblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:23 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
You got no traction on Benters thread, but keep trying🤣 |
Not sure what you mean love. I thought that was some very friendly banter on Benters thread | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:46 - Oct 31 with 2211 views | positivity |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:52 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
Belgium you mean? Not very interesting unless you are French.
Maybe do some more research.
A few quid,you’re having a laugh |
what are you wibbling on about now? belgium was one of the few countries where tax take has fallen slightly, so used as a random example
it would take more than a few quid to make me leave my country for financial reasons, some people just have no principles, i guess | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:48 - Oct 31 with 2192 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:50 - Oct 31 by giant_stow |
I know nothing much about this, but apart from raising revenue, isn't one of the points of this policy about stopping rich people buying farm land as a vehicle to avoid inheritance tax? And isn't that one of the major reasons farm land has gone up in price a lot recently?
If I have that all right, then prices stabilising / maybe even reducing will help faming families going forward, or at least new entrants / people who actually want to farm for a living? Wouldn't land being cheaper (or at least less expensive than it would have been) reduces costs to faming?
Could be chatting sh1t, so apologies if so. |
It's a good point, but as one family farmer just said on 5live, there are other much better ways of stopping the tax-dodgers via quite simple legislation.
She said the measures in yesterday's budget will force theIr family to sell the family farm, probably to a large corporate business. There are approx 75 thousand family farms in the UK. ALL FARMS OF MORE THAN 100 ACRES (probably more than 50 acres if the farmhouse is in decent condition) will incur this IHT.
Many farmers are tenant farmers; they are also being made very nervous now, not knowing how their landlords will take this.
The Govt. (who I support) are showing zero understanding of the rural economy here.
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:51 - Oct 31 with 2163 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:54 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, you're right, or at least that's what they said on the news just now.
The people up in arms about this are the big farms who were hoping to keep on avoiding inheritance tax! |
"The people up in arms about this are the big farms who were hoping to keep on avoiding inheritance tax!"
Titally incorrect. I have heard/read dozens of small/medium family farmers anguished & "up in arms" about this; not one single big farm.
The average size family farm in Wales is about 250 acres, worth about £3million (one Welsh farmer on just now).
The point is that the £m paper value is *entirely locked up in the land* = which is a business asset, something the Govt. doesn't seem to understand. Other businesses do *not* have to pay IHT on inherent business assets when the owner of the business dies. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 16:03]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 18:06 - Oct 31 with 2065 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:38 - Oct 31 by catch74 |
Bankster - that 40% reduction - was 75% reduction last year, it’s an increase.
The business rates for push’s have been as low as 0% they’ve been all over the place over the last 10 years, this will be the highest we’ve paid in that time. |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:44 - Oct 31 with 1981 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:51 - Oct 31 by Ryorry |
"The people up in arms about this are the big farms who were hoping to keep on avoiding inheritance tax!"
Titally incorrect. I have heard/read dozens of small/medium family farmers anguished & "up in arms" about this; not one single big farm.
The average size family farm in Wales is about 250 acres, worth about £3million (one Welsh farmer on just now).
The point is that the £m paper value is *entirely locked up in the land* = which is a business asset, something the Govt. doesn't seem to understand. Other businesses do *not* have to pay IHT on inherent business assets when the owner of the business dies. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 16:03]
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As I said earlier (you may have missed it) "Re farms: Just seen on the news it doesn't affect small farms... in fact 73% of farms won't be affected." | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:58 - Oct 31 with 1972 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:44 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
As I said earlier (you may have missed it) "Re farms: Just seen on the news it doesn't affect small farms... in fact 73% of farms won't be affected." |
You’ve completely missed the point. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 22:13 - Oct 31 with 1924 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:58 - Oct 31 by Ryorry |
You’ve completely missed the point. |
Eh? I didn't realise I was responding to a point, just re-mentioning (as you haven't commented on it) that it doesn't affect small farms and 73% of farms won't be affected.
You'd made out this was a big attack on farmers, especially smaller farmers, when it doesn't seem to be the case, unless I've missed something. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 22:30 - Oct 31 with 1902 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 22:13 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Eh? I didn't realise I was responding to a point, just re-mentioning (as you haven't commented on it) that it doesn't affect small farms and 73% of farms won't be affected.
You'd made out this was a big attack on farmers, especially smaller farmers, when it doesn't seem to be the case, unless I've missed something. |
Yes, you missed quite a big thing. It *does* affect small farms, potentially right down to single-figure acreage smallholdings, depending on the state of the farmhouse; and (going by your own figures, I don't have time right now to check those out) the tens of thousands (or more) small farmers it would affect.
Not to mention the environmental and community losses. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 05:26 - Nov 1 with 1804 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:10 - Oct 31 by WeWereZombies |
Firstly, which country are you talking about in your opening paragraph ?
You then go on to advocate people to move (have these people no sense of patrimony that they will up sticks for the sake of a few thousand quid ?) but then say there shouldn't be immigration ! |
Clearly obvious as to the country i was referring to.
I'm not advocating anything, just pointing out facts as reported in 'The Henley Private Wealth Migration Report'
'for the sake of a few thousand quid' Surely you're having a laugh!
Where did i say there shouldn't be immigration? | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:30 - Nov 1 with 1759 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 22:30 - Oct 31 by Ryorry |
Yes, you missed quite a big thing. It *does* affect small farms, potentially right down to single-figure acreage smallholdings, depending on the state of the farmhouse; and (going by your own figures, I don't have time right now to check those out) the tens of thousands (or more) small farmers it would affect.
Not to mention the environmental and community losses. |
Victoria Vyvan, president of the country land and business association estimated that approximately 70,000 family farms could be hit by the new rules. Tom Bradshaw, president of the National Farmers Union called it a 'disastrous budget for family farmers'
So many of these small farms and holdings include houses, which of course pushes the valuation up. The returns on investment are a paltry 1-2% making most barely profitable. Farming is a way of life, many have been in the families over generations.
The last thing farmers need is to be taxed out of existence, disgusting move by the government. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:44 - Nov 1 with 1744 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:30 - Nov 1 by Zapers |
Victoria Vyvan, president of the country land and business association estimated that approximately 70,000 family farms could be hit by the new rules. Tom Bradshaw, president of the National Farmers Union called it a 'disastrous budget for family farmers'
So many of these small farms and holdings include houses, which of course pushes the valuation up. The returns on investment are a paltry 1-2% making most barely profitable. Farming is a way of life, many have been in the families over generations.
The last thing farmers need is to be taxed out of existence, disgusting move by the government. |
Jeremy Clarkson is going to be furious. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:47 - Nov 1 with 1744 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 22:30 - Oct 31 by Ryorry |
Yes, you missed quite a big thing. It *does* affect small farms, potentially right down to single-figure acreage smallholdings, depending on the state of the farmhouse; and (going by your own figures, I don't have time right now to check those out) the tens of thousands (or more) small farmers it would affect.
Not to mention the environmental and community losses. |
It said on the news 73% of farms won't be affected. So that's the vast majority.
"Victoria Vyvyan, president of the Country Land and Business Association... added that it was estimated 70,000 farms could be adversely affected by the £1m cap. But the government said the change was only expected to affect around 2,000 estates each year."
There are 209,000 farms in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1ml5zm9lz5o | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:50 - Nov 1 with 1737 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:30 - Nov 1 by Zapers |
Victoria Vyvan, president of the country land and business association estimated that approximately 70,000 family farms could be hit by the new rules. Tom Bradshaw, president of the National Farmers Union called it a 'disastrous budget for family farmers'
So many of these small farms and holdings include houses, which of course pushes the valuation up. The returns on investment are a paltry 1-2% making most barely profitable. Farming is a way of life, many have been in the families over generations.
The last thing farmers need is to be taxed out of existence, disgusting move by the government. |
So even her estimate (which will be on the high side) is 70,000. And there are 209,000 farms in the UK. So when I said 73% won't be affected I was pretty much spot on! | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:51 - Nov 1 with 1732 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:44 - Nov 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Jeremy Clarkson is going to be furious. |
Jeremy Clarkson IS furious. All over twitter.
Makes you think it might be a good policy if Clarkson's peed off! | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:05 - Nov 1 with 1721 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:51 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jeremy Clarkson IS furious. All over twitter.
Makes you think it might be a good policy if Clarkson's peed off! |
What a ridiculous post. He’s a small farm owner, and like Feargal Sharkey using his celebrity status to highlight the disgusting state of British rivers, Clarkson has done likewise to highlight the precarious state of British farming.
All over twitter? I can only find two posts.
Unsurprised that you are taking the ad hominem route though. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 8:07]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:11 - Nov 1 with 1706 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:51 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jeremy Clarkson IS furious. All over twitter.
Makes you think it might be a good policy if Clarkson's peed off! |
Dyson too if that helps. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:12 - Nov 1 with 1702 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:44 - Nov 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Jeremy Clarkson is going to be furious. |
He says hold tight farmers, this shower of shyte will be gone in 5 years  | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:14 - Nov 1 with 1688 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:05 - Nov 1 by GlasgowBlue |
What a ridiculous post. He’s a small farm owner, and like Feargal Sharkey using his celebrity status to highlight the disgusting state of British rivers, Clarkson has done likewise to highlight the precarious state of British farming.
All over twitter? I can only find two posts.
Unsurprised that you are taking the ad hominem route though. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 8:07]
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When he bought his farm he was loud and proud in announcing it was as a tax dodge. This all just serves to illustrate the problem with broad sweep legislation but it is what governments do. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:22 - Nov 1 with 1660 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 07:50 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So even her estimate (which will be on the high side) is 70,000. And there are 209,000 farms in the UK. So when I said 73% won't be affected I was pretty much spot on! |
Stop trying to exonerate yourself out of what you originally said.
'It only affects large farms' As Ryorry told you, it's the exact opposite. The small farms will be the ones to suffer, and most likely put many of them out of business. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:33 - Nov 1 with 1639 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:05 - Nov 1 by GlasgowBlue |
What a ridiculous post. He’s a small farm owner, and like Feargal Sharkey using his celebrity status to highlight the disgusting state of British rivers, Clarkson has done likewise to highlight the precarious state of British farming.
All over twitter? I can only find two posts.
Unsurprised that you are taking the ad hominem route though. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 8:07]
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It was a joke Glassers, calm down. I notice you haven't addressed my serious posts about farms. Didn't realise you were such a fan of Clarkson. | |
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