| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… 13:17 - Oct 30 with 32316 views | SitfcB |
Cut by 1.7% - one penny off a pint. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:35 - Nov 1 with 2113 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:22 - Nov 1 by Zapers |
Stop trying to exonerate yourself out of what you originally said.
'It only affects large farms' As Ryorry told you, it's the exact opposite. The small farms will be the ones to suffer, and most likely put many of them out of business. |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/01/farmers-shocked-budget-inheritan
“Farmers,” Clarkson said on the X social network, “I know that you have been shafted today. But please don’t despair. Just look after yourselves for five short years and this shower will be gone.”
Yet Clarkson himself – or rather the prospective beneficiaries of his estate – may be among those “shafted”. Clarkson has previously said that he bought his 126-hectare (312-acre), £4.25m farm, Diddly Squat, in order to avoid inheritance tax on his estate. In a 2021 interview with The Times Clarkson said that avoiding inheritance tax was “the critical thing” in his decision to buy the farm. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:37 - Nov 1 with 2118 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:22 - Nov 1 by Zapers |
Stop trying to exonerate yourself out of what you originally said.
'It only affects large farms' As Ryorry told you, it's the exact opposite. The small farms will be the ones to suffer, and most likely put many of them out of business. |
It won't affect the smallest farms. And my figures were correct, there's nothing to exonerate myself about. 73% (at least) won't be affected.
I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions that you claimed earlier were easy to answer. Funny how you've swerved that. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:40 - Nov 1 with 2108 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:35 - Nov 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/01/farmers-shocked-budget-inheritan
“Farmers,” Clarkson said on the X social network, “I know that you have been shafted today. But please don’t despair. Just look after yourselves for five short years and this shower will be gone.”
Yet Clarkson himself – or rather the prospective beneficiaries of his estate – may be among those “shafted”. Clarkson has previously said that he bought his 126-hectare (312-acre), £4.25m farm, Diddly Squat, in order to avoid inheritance tax on his estate. In a 2021 interview with The Times Clarkson said that avoiding inheritance tax was “the critical thing” in his decision to buy the farm. |
No, but we must all feel sorry for Clarkson.
The irony here is Clarkson is part of the reason this measure was brought in! [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 8:41]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:06 - Nov 1 with 2039 views | catch74 |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 18:06 - Oct 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nooooooo my secrets out!! |
It’s weird I’ve done it twice in the thread, not sure how I’ve got so confused ! |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:37 - Nov 1 with 1977 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:06 - Nov 1 by catch74 |
It’s weird I’ve done it twice in the thread, not sure how I’ve got so confused ! |
It's the drink Glassers. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:37 - Nov 1 with 1983 views | Leaky |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:22 - Nov 1 by Zapers |
Stop trying to exonerate yourself out of what you originally said.
'It only affects large farms' As Ryorry told you, it's the exact opposite. The small farms will be the ones to suffer, and most likely put many of them out of business. |
One thing that seems to be missing on this thread is the fact we need farms to feed us |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:38 - Nov 1 with 1973 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:37 - Nov 1 by Leaky |
One thing that seems to be missing on this thread is the fact we need farms to feed us |
Yes, thank you Jeremy! | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:55 - Nov 1 with 1964 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:37 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It won't affect the smallest farms. And my figures were correct, there's nothing to exonerate myself about. 73% (at least) won't be affected.
I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions that you claimed earlier were easy to answer. Funny how you've swerved that. |
“It won't affect the smallest farms”.
You have zero understanding of this.
It does partly depend on location (and whether the farmhouse is modernised and in good condition as I said earlier), but in sought after areas like the SE, Cotswolds, parts of Cheshire, E Anglia and Yorkshire, a smallholding of 6+acres can easily sell for £1m+. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:00]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:07 - Nov 1 with 1918 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:55 - Nov 1 by Ryorry |
“It won't affect the smallest farms”.
You have zero understanding of this.
It does partly depend on location (and whether the farmhouse is modernised and in good condition as I said earlier), but in sought after areas like the SE, Cotswolds, parts of Cheshire, E Anglia and Yorkshire, a smallholding of 6+acres can easily sell for £1m+. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:00]
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I've just quoted what was on the news, maybe take it up with the BBC and Rachel Reeves instead of being rude to me. You seem to be hung up on the definition of "small" or "smallest" but the fact remains 73% of farms won't be affected. I've mentioned this figure several times and you don't seem to have commented directly on it.
You seem to be arguing now that small farms in nice areas with lovely farmhouses won't be exempt because they're lovely and therefore worth more than a million pounds. Whilst sad for those individuals I'm just not really sure what relevance it has to the overall picture. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:18 - Nov 1 with 1881 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:07 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've just quoted what was on the news, maybe take it up with the BBC and Rachel Reeves instead of being rude to me. You seem to be hung up on the definition of "small" or "smallest" but the fact remains 73% of farms won't be affected. I've mentioned this figure several times and you don't seem to have commented directly on it.
You seem to be arguing now that small farms in nice areas with lovely farmhouses won't be exempt because they're lovely and therefore worth more than a million pounds. Whilst sad for those individuals I'm just not really sure what relevance it has to the overall picture. |
Telling you that you have zero understanding of this isn’t “being rude”, it’s a fact - which you’ve just proved again with that latest post.
And I’m debating with you, not RR or the BBC - they’re not on this thread. You chose to question what I said, they obviously haven’t.
As to the 73% - I’ve no idea whether that’s correct, but as I said before, its missing the point, unless of course you want UK farming to be entirely run by huge corporations, with consequent damage to the environment and local economies. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:24]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:26 - Nov 1 with 1858 views | DJR |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:18 - Nov 1 by Ryorry |
Telling you that you have zero understanding of this isn’t “being rude”, it’s a fact - which you’ve just proved again with that latest post.
And I’m debating with you, not RR or the BBC - they’re not on this thread. You chose to question what I said, they obviously haven’t.
As to the 73% - I’ve no idea whether that’s correct, but as I said before, its missing the point, unless of course you want UK farming to be entirely run by huge corporations, with consequent damage to the environment and local economies. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:24]
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Along with business relief, this measure will only raise half a billion pounds, which is pretty small beer.
That being the case, it would seem to me that they could have maintained relief for genuine family firms, but at the same time caught those (such as Clarkson) using the relief for tax avoidance purposes. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:26]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:32 - Nov 1 with 1836 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:26 - Nov 1 by DJR |
Along with business relief, this measure will only raise half a billion pounds, which is pretty small beer.
That being the case, it would seem to me that they could have maintained relief for genuine family firms, but at the same time caught those (such as Clarkson) using the relief for tax avoidance purposes. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:26]
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Or they could have legislated for qualifications or covenants that farmland should only be sold or rented to those already working in agriculture, horticulture or forestry, as already applies to some houses. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:41 - Nov 1 with 1809 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:18 - Nov 1 by Ryorry |
Telling you that you have zero understanding of this isn’t “being rude”, it’s a fact - which you’ve just proved again with that latest post.
And I’m debating with you, not RR or the BBC - they’re not on this thread. You chose to question what I said, they obviously haven’t.
As to the 73% - I’ve no idea whether that’s correct, but as I said before, its missing the point, unless of course you want UK farming to be entirely run by huge corporations, with consequent damage to the environment and local economies. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:24]
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You should know Ryorry, it’s impossible to debate with some people, they are never wrong.
Even when they gloat that the financial markets reacted well to the budget, they didn’t. |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:48 - Nov 1 with 1773 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:37 - Nov 1 by Leaky |
One thing that seems to be missing on this thread is the fact we need farms to feed us |
It’s frightening how willing we are to give up any semblance of food security (on a wider point to this tax). Much like outsourcing our energy security, it will surely come back and bite us at some point (especially as climate change increases the number of droughts, floods, and failed harvests). As we lose more and more farmland to development, solar farms, and other non-agricultural use we make ourselves more and more reliant on imports, volitile supply chains, price spikes, and at some point a geopolitical crisis is going to lead us to wonder why we passively outsourced all our food security. The EU CAP was weaponised by Brexiteers, but an entirely sensible policy. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:49 - Nov 1 with 1767 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:48 - Nov 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s frightening how willing we are to give up any semblance of food security (on a wider point to this tax). Much like outsourcing our energy security, it will surely come back and bite us at some point (especially as climate change increases the number of droughts, floods, and failed harvests). As we lose more and more farmland to development, solar farms, and other non-agricultural use we make ourselves more and more reliant on imports, volitile supply chains, price spikes, and at some point a geopolitical crisis is going to lead us to wonder why we passively outsourced all our food security. The EU CAP was weaponised by Brexiteers, but an entirely sensible policy. |
Yeah but Jeremy Clarkson. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:05 - Nov 1 with 1734 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:40 - Nov 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, but we must all feel sorry for Clarkson.
The irony here is Clarkson is part of the reason this measure was brought in! [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 8:41]
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Nobody has said that people should feel sorry for Jeremy Clarkson.
And you are completely missing the point. Regardless of who Jeremy Clarkson is and why he purchased the farm in the first place, he has used his celebrity status to highlight the [precarious state of British farming today.
Stop playing the man. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:07 - Nov 1 with 1730 views | Vegtablue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:18 - Nov 1 by Ryorry |
Telling you that you have zero understanding of this isn’t “being rude”, it’s a fact - which you’ve just proved again with that latest post.
And I’m debating with you, not RR or the BBC - they’re not on this thread. You chose to question what I said, they obviously haven’t.
As to the 73% - I’ve no idea whether that’s correct, but as I said before, its missing the point, unless of course you want UK farming to be entirely run by huge corporations, with consequent damage to the environment and local economies. [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 10:24]
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73% is an impressively high number that surprises me. I'm curious to know the inclusion criteria behind their calculations, specifically the percentage of these "farms and agricultural buildings" that operate as 'proper" farms, selling to the public. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:12 - Nov 1 with 1699 views | DJR |
For balance, this is what the IFS said about the changes, but if there are genuine family farms affected, I think they should be exempted.
Paul Johnson, Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), says: "What the budget did was reduce the amount of additional relief that farmers get on agricultural land.
"It still means they'll be significantly more generously treated than the rest of us and still more generously treated actually, than farms used to be in decades past.
"The changes will affect actually a remarkably small number of some of the most valuable farms. The majority will still not be affected by this." [Post edited 1 Nov 2024 11:20]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:25 - Nov 1 with 1650 views | Leaky |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:38 - Nov 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yes, thank you Jeremy! |
Sorry you have the wrong bloke | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:39 - Nov 1 with 1612 views | giant_stow |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:36 - Nov 1 by leitrimblue |
I live on a smallholding of just over 6 acres. It's very picturesque on a lake surrounded by forests etc. If anyone wants to offer me a £1m+ I will take there offer very seriously  |
you jammy bvgger |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:48 - Nov 1 with 1586 views | leitrimblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:39 - Nov 1 by giant_stow |
you jammy bvgger |
Not sure what it would cost now but equivalent to £80,000 10 years ago. Time to move to Leitrim Stow? Actually the Irish government now gives a €60,000 grant to do up empty buildings.. |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:01 - Nov 1 with 1531 views | giant_stow |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:48 - Nov 1 by leitrimblue |
Not sure what it would cost now but equivalent to £80,000 10 years ago. Time to move to Leitrim Stow? Actually the Irish government now gives a €60,000 grant to do up empty buildings.. |
Ah man, you did well - played!
What stop me is mine and my mrs fear of change / fear of leaving the smoke. Gawd knows why as sometimes / often, I hate it, but London also provides energy and family. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:18 - Nov 1 with 1486 views | leitrimblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:01 - Nov 1 by giant_stow |
Ah man, you did well - played!
What stop me is mine and my mrs fear of change / fear of leaving the smoke. Gawd knows why as sometimes / often, I hate it, but London also provides energy and family. |
To be honest most of my mates/family are the same, just can't leave London. Actually during covid a lot of um seemed to be in a very similar situation to yerself. Living in flats in London with kids. ( most of around your way actually) I was sending um links to farms etc in Leitrim but was just getting abuse back .
One of um supremely told me he couldn't leave London due to the theatre and the night life. F4cker then admitted he hadn't seen the inside of a theatre since we were dragged there to pantos when we were kids over 30 years ago
If you can work from home or have a easily transferable occupation it is well worth thinking about. The quality of life, especially for kids compares very well with London. | | | |
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