| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… 13:17 - Oct 30 with 32235 views | SitfcB |
Cut by 1.7% - one penny off a pint. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:16 - Oct 30 with 1664 views | mellowblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:17 - Oct 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That'll be from under 14 years of the last government, not the last 4 months of the new one. |
The high street's trouble pre-date the last 2 governments. Goes back further than election day in 2010 |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:30 - Oct 30 with 1623 views | stonojnr |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:51 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
I love my beer, but (sorry to be controversial) this seems absolutely nonsensical to me - far from supporting the NHS, isn't it just going to result in increased drinking & therefore eventually even further strain on it? |
sadly you're being serious, the only nonsensical part is you think anyone would drink more beer if it were 1p less, a product that costs on average £4.80, you genuinly think will be consumed more if it were £4.79 instead?
well dont worry, the NHS has been saved, because beer will going up alot more than this 1p duty cut (which goes to the brewers not the pubs) to cover this budget and so the amount people drink will be alot less, as they have been doing for a while now.
because despite the reputation Britain has and no doubt everyone who only sets foot in a pub once year on the election trail thinks, beer volume sales have dropped 23% in the past 5 years, and show no real signs of recovering, certainly not to pre covid levels, which is why not just pubs are closing at an increasing rate and not reopening, the Black Tiles has been shut for 9months now, but breweries are going out of business too, and not just the little mom&pop indie craft brew in shed ones, the medium sized ones are too. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:31 - Oct 30 with 1618 views | mellowblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 18:42 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Very bad move to impose IHT on family farms though - ALL of which are worth £1m+ (agricultural land is currently worth c. £10K/acre).
The upshot will be that if farmers want to pass on the family farms to kids/grandkids, those legatees will be forced to sell parcels of land to large corporate farms run as businesses with an eye only on profit, so more monoculture and less care of the environment likely. |
exactly the same effect as death duties had on the landed estates after the introduction post WW1. It will end in smaller family farms and increased inefficiencies due to the loss of scale. Farmland will be picked up by the big farming concerns. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:54 - Oct 30 with 1571 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:30 - Oct 30 by stonojnr |
sadly you're being serious, the only nonsensical part is you think anyone would drink more beer if it were 1p less, a product that costs on average £4.80, you genuinly think will be consumed more if it were £4.79 instead?
well dont worry, the NHS has been saved, because beer will going up alot more than this 1p duty cut (which goes to the brewers not the pubs) to cover this budget and so the amount people drink will be alot less, as they have been doing for a while now.
because despite the reputation Britain has and no doubt everyone who only sets foot in a pub once year on the election trail thinks, beer volume sales have dropped 23% in the past 5 years, and show no real signs of recovering, certainly not to pre covid levels, which is why not just pubs are closing at an increasing rate and not reopening, the Black Tiles has been shut for 9months now, but breweries are going out of business too, and not just the little mom&pop indie craft brew in shed ones, the medium sized ones are too. |
Mom and pop.....tsssk! |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:56 - Oct 30 with 1576 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:04 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
I simply added a point later (which admittedly I should have included in the first post, but was in a rush) to go out.
And yes of course it was a 'sweetener', which everyone was bound to see through.
Basically, I'm not hugely impressed with this budget. |
I'm not really sure how it could have been better without a magic money tree or cuts to services.
Lots of money raised for NHS, transport and other local services... if we want these things fixing we have to pay for them, and given there was also the huge black hole the Tories hid, not sure what else Reeves could have done really. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 20:00 - Oct 30 with 1570 views | Trequartista |
Small beer |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 20:04 - Oct 30 with 1562 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:16 - Oct 30 by mellowblue |
The high street's trouble pre-date the last 2 governments. Goes back further than election day in 2010 |
yeah I didn't mean it quite that literally. Just making the point Labour have been in 3/4 months, there were 14 years of the Tories before that (and a lot of the decline will have happened under them), but yes the decline goes back further still. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 22:58 - Oct 30 with 1401 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:26 - Oct 30 by WeWereZombies |
So when it comes to tax on beer, Reeves is the draught excluder... |
I think you posted that in the wrong thread... | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 23:18 - Oct 30 with 1379 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:30 - Oct 30 by stonojnr |
sadly you're being serious, the only nonsensical part is you think anyone would drink more beer if it were 1p less, a product that costs on average £4.80, you genuinly think will be consumed more if it were £4.79 instead?
well dont worry, the NHS has been saved, because beer will going up alot more than this 1p duty cut (which goes to the brewers not the pubs) to cover this budget and so the amount people drink will be alot less, as they have been doing for a while now.
because despite the reputation Britain has and no doubt everyone who only sets foot in a pub once year on the election trail thinks, beer volume sales have dropped 23% in the past 5 years, and show no real signs of recovering, certainly not to pre covid levels, which is why not just pubs are closing at an increasing rate and not reopening, the Black Tiles has been shut for 9months now, but breweries are going out of business too, and not just the little mom&pop indie craft brew in shed ones, the medium sized ones are too. |
Re your first para - please re-read what I *actually* said (via several posts). |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 23:27 - Oct 30 with 1370 views | Ryorry |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 19:56 - Oct 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not really sure how it could have been better without a magic money tree or cuts to services.
Lots of money raised for NHS, transport and other local services... if we want these things fixing we have to pay for them, and given there was also the huge black hole the Tories hid, not sure what else Reeves could have done really. |
Starmer’s definition of working people. by Ryorry 25 Oct 2024 19:44In brief on phone -
Would NOT have axed WFA for pensioners on very low incomes (eg £13k p/a) but not in receipt of pension credit - at least graduate the threshold.
WOULD have increased income tax by 1p for services generally instead, fairest form of taxation; would have looked into the possibility of another 1p specifically ring fenced for the NHS.
WOULD have gone after tax dodgers like Google and other large corporations, and said so - woulda been popular and immediately got people on side.
And I'd NOT have gone after small-medium businesses of 5-30 employees who will now, as we've seen/heard from comments on here & on various news programmes, be looking at laying employees off and/or cutting their wages. That is hardly promoting growth.
Edit: See also my earlier post about IHT on family farms being disastrous. [Post edited 30 Oct 2024 23:38]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 02:19 - Oct 31 with 1296 views | vinceg |
It's a 1p reduction in the duty on a pint. People tend to get hoodwinked by this kind of price alteration. They think that a 1p reduction in beer duty means that their pint should cost a penny less. Not the case. Here's how I understand it.
So at the moment duty on a litre of 5% beer works out at £1.05 (Duty is £21.01 per litre of pure alcohol on booze between 3.5% and 8.4%, thus the duty on a litre of 5% alcohol beer is £21.01 x 5% = £1.0505). So about 59.6p a pint. If you say a pint of 5% beer might cost £5, 11.92% of the price was duty.
So RR is reducing duty by 1.7%. Thus duty on that particular band of beers reduces to £20.65 per litre of pure alcohol, so duty on a litre of 5% beer is now £1.03 a litre or 58.5p per pint. There's your penny reduction on a pint!
RR now requires 58.5p duty on a pint, so pubs should be charging about 9p less on a pint to raise the same percentage in duty. £5 - 9p = £4.91. £4.91 x 11.92% = 58.52p.
So we're talking 9p rather than 1p, so even then not an exciting reduction really. In reality what will happen is pub prices won't alter and the publicans will keep the difference. Not really in the spirit of things, but if it keep pubs functioning and my beer price stays the same, that's fine with me. However they always seem to be quick to raise beer prices by 10p or more if the exchequer requires an extra penny in duty... |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:02 - Oct 31 with 1194 views | catch74 |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 02:19 - Oct 31 by vinceg |
It's a 1p reduction in the duty on a pint. People tend to get hoodwinked by this kind of price alteration. They think that a 1p reduction in beer duty means that their pint should cost a penny less. Not the case. Here's how I understand it.
So at the moment duty on a litre of 5% beer works out at £1.05 (Duty is £21.01 per litre of pure alcohol on booze between 3.5% and 8.4%, thus the duty on a litre of 5% alcohol beer is £21.01 x 5% = £1.0505). So about 59.6p a pint. If you say a pint of 5% beer might cost £5, 11.92% of the price was duty.
So RR is reducing duty by 1.7%. Thus duty on that particular band of beers reduces to £20.65 per litre of pure alcohol, so duty on a litre of 5% beer is now £1.03 a litre or 58.5p per pint. There's your penny reduction on a pint!
RR now requires 58.5p duty on a pint, so pubs should be charging about 9p less on a pint to raise the same percentage in duty. £5 - 9p = £4.91. £4.91 x 11.92% = 58.52p.
So we're talking 9p rather than 1p, so even then not an exciting reduction really. In reality what will happen is pub prices won't alter and the publicans will keep the difference. Not really in the spirit of things, but if it keep pubs functioning and my beer price stays the same, that's fine with me. However they always seem to be quick to raise beer prices by 10p or more if the exchequer requires an extra penny in duty... |
Mostly right - except your last bit. The pubs won’t get the reduction from the brewery - at best they’ll hold their prices - more likely to put them up. The pubs will then have customers coming in asking why their pint price hasn’t been reduced and has in fact gone up ‘that’s not really in the spirit.’ This happened a lot after the last Conservative budget too - overall alcohol duty increase was the highest in 50 years but the headline was cheaper pint for you in the pub. We’re used to it.
Whilst a lot of publicans will now be paying their new staff member with zero experience more than themselves. That’s the only place where the money can come from now, our industry has been ravaged, not helped by a refusal to tax supermarkets - who can clearly afford it - on an even footing with pubs .
Bankster - the 40% business rates reduction you mention earlier is welcome but last year it had been a 75% reduction - they were affordable at that rate but that’s £1000’s increase yoy.
The removal of them will be welcome in 25/26, again to make things fairer v. Supermarkets but too little too late for many. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:23 - Oct 31 with 1175 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 23:27 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Starmer’s definition of working people. by Ryorry 25 Oct 2024 19:44In brief on phone -
Would NOT have axed WFA for pensioners on very low incomes (eg £13k p/a) but not in receipt of pension credit - at least graduate the threshold.
WOULD have increased income tax by 1p for services generally instead, fairest form of taxation; would have looked into the possibility of another 1p specifically ring fenced for the NHS.
WOULD have gone after tax dodgers like Google and other large corporations, and said so - woulda been popular and immediately got people on side.
And I'd NOT have gone after small-medium businesses of 5-30 employees who will now, as we've seen/heard from comments on here & on various news programmes, be looking at laying employees off and/or cutting their wages. That is hardly promoting growth.
Edit: See also my earlier post about IHT on family farms being disastrous. [Post edited 30 Oct 2024 23:38]
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As I posted earlier, a lot of small-medium businesses will benefit; "From 2026-27 permanently lower tax rates for retail, hospitality and leisure properties would be introduced. Shops, cafes and pubs in England also got a reprieve from a jump in business rates next year with Reeves extending a relief scheme introduced during the COVID pandemic. She announced 40% relief for eligible retail, hospitality and leisure businesses..."
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-reeves-extends-englands-business-rates-reli
I don't know enough about small farms to comment on that one.
I'd also like to go after tax-dodgers like Google, unfortunately it's not as simple as just 'going after them' otherwise i'm sure it would've been done.
When they interview business people after a budget, it's normally because they have something to complain about. There's very little story in "My business will be fine, thanks." I've seen a few on programmes moaning about having to pay a living wage to their staff - sorry, if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model.
This is something I know a bit about as my partner was a founding member of the Living Wage Foundation. It might seem counter-intuitive (higher wages = more costs to my business) but there are many metrics that show paying a real living wage benefits your business over time. They worked it all out and proved it so well that 1000s of businesses have signed up to the Real Living Wage - above what they legally have to pay. One of the benefits, off the top of my head, is you tend to retain staff - and so spend less on recruitment, training etc. Another is staff are happier and therefore more productive. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:33 - Oct 31 with 1157 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:23 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
As I posted earlier, a lot of small-medium businesses will benefit; "From 2026-27 permanently lower tax rates for retail, hospitality and leisure properties would be introduced. Shops, cafes and pubs in England also got a reprieve from a jump in business rates next year with Reeves extending a relief scheme introduced during the COVID pandemic. She announced 40% relief for eligible retail, hospitality and leisure businesses..."
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-reeves-extends-englands-business-rates-reli
I don't know enough about small farms to comment on that one.
I'd also like to go after tax-dodgers like Google, unfortunately it's not as simple as just 'going after them' otherwise i'm sure it would've been done.
When they interview business people after a budget, it's normally because they have something to complain about. There's very little story in "My business will be fine, thanks." I've seen a few on programmes moaning about having to pay a living wage to their staff - sorry, if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model.
This is something I know a bit about as my partner was a founding member of the Living Wage Foundation. It might seem counter-intuitive (higher wages = more costs to my business) but there are many metrics that show paying a real living wage benefits your business over time. They worked it all out and proved it so well that 1000s of businesses have signed up to the Real Living Wage - above what they legally have to pay. One of the benefits, off the top of my head, is you tend to retain staff - and so spend less on recruitment, training etc. Another is staff are happier and therefore more productive. |
As I posted earlier, a lot of small-medium businesses will benefit
The one I spoke about earlier, the budget has just increased their outgoings on staff by an annual cost of £78000.
There is no reprieve itself, it's just a slower way of killing businesses off alltogether
BTW this isn't just about the increase in minimum wage, the killer is the £9000 to £5000 reduction before you start paying Employer NI. This along works out approx £48000 per year increase before you even look at the actual wage increases...
"if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model."
Classic line.
It's completely untrue.
The living wage issue is caused because of the cost of mortgages, rents, shopping, utilities.
A small cafe for example could be run extremely well, but theres going to be a limit the customers will want to pay, you may well have increased the wages of said customers, but none of the other outgoings are reducing, so they're not suddenly going to think it's alright i've got another spare £2, that £2 will be used possibly for that bus journey they took, or the utility bill that's going up, or to help pay the car insurance that increases annually despite no accidents.
""if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model."
That line is such a bullsht thought it really is. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:38 - Oct 31 with 1147 views | catch74 |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:23 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
As I posted earlier, a lot of small-medium businesses will benefit; "From 2026-27 permanently lower tax rates for retail, hospitality and leisure properties would be introduced. Shops, cafes and pubs in England also got a reprieve from a jump in business rates next year with Reeves extending a relief scheme introduced during the COVID pandemic. She announced 40% relief for eligible retail, hospitality and leisure businesses..."
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-reeves-extends-englands-business-rates-reli
I don't know enough about small farms to comment on that one.
I'd also like to go after tax-dodgers like Google, unfortunately it's not as simple as just 'going after them' otherwise i'm sure it would've been done.
When they interview business people after a budget, it's normally because they have something to complain about. There's very little story in "My business will be fine, thanks." I've seen a few on programmes moaning about having to pay a living wage to their staff - sorry, if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model.
This is something I know a bit about as my partner was a founding member of the Living Wage Foundation. It might seem counter-intuitive (higher wages = more costs to my business) but there are many metrics that show paying a real living wage benefits your business over time. They worked it all out and proved it so well that 1000s of businesses have signed up to the Real Living Wage - above what they legally have to pay. One of the benefits, off the top of my head, is you tend to retain staff - and so spend less on recruitment, training etc. Another is staff are happier and therefore more productive. |
Bankster - that 40% reduction - was 75% reduction last year, it’s an increase.
The business rates for push’s have been as low as 0% they’ve been all over the place over the last 10 years, this will be the highest we’ve paid in that time. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:50 - Oct 31 with 1108 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:33 - Oct 31 by FrimleyBlue |
As I posted earlier, a lot of small-medium businesses will benefit
The one I spoke about earlier, the budget has just increased their outgoings on staff by an annual cost of £78000.
There is no reprieve itself, it's just a slower way of killing businesses off alltogether
BTW this isn't just about the increase in minimum wage, the killer is the £9000 to £5000 reduction before you start paying Employer NI. This along works out approx £48000 per year increase before you even look at the actual wage increases...
"if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model."
Classic line.
It's completely untrue.
The living wage issue is caused because of the cost of mortgages, rents, shopping, utilities.
A small cafe for example could be run extremely well, but theres going to be a limit the customers will want to pay, you may well have increased the wages of said customers, but none of the other outgoings are reducing, so they're not suddenly going to think it's alright i've got another spare £2, that £2 will be used possibly for that bus journey they took, or the utility bill that's going up, or to help pay the car insurance that increases annually despite no accidents.
""if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model."
That line is such a bullsht thought it really is. |
""if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model.” Is the sort of nonsense spouted by people who haven’t done so much as run a whelk stall. I’m not alone in being a business owner who during some very lean times, would forego taking a living wage of any sort in order to make sure my staff and suppliers are paid.
The living wage in isolation isn’t the issue. As you say, it’s the increase in employer NI contributions, the increased energy costs, the stock costs that have soared since Covid and Ukraine, the highest rate of VAT in Europe for hospitality (France 10% Germany 7% Italy 10% Spain 10% Ireland 9% UK 20% very little of which can be clawed back due to most of it being zero rated), reduction in business rate relief whilst raising the threshold on rateable value etc etc. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:58 - Oct 31 with 1091 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:50 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
""if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model.” Is the sort of nonsense spouted by people who haven’t done so much as run a whelk stall. I’m not alone in being a business owner who during some very lean times, would forego taking a living wage of any sort in order to make sure my staff and suppliers are paid.
The living wage in isolation isn’t the issue. As you say, it’s the increase in employer NI contributions, the increased energy costs, the stock costs that have soared since Covid and Ukraine, the highest rate of VAT in Europe for hospitality (France 10% Germany 7% Italy 10% Spain 10% Ireland 9% UK 20% very little of which can be clawed back due to most of it being zero rated), reduction in business rate relief whilst raising the threshold on rateable value etc etc. |
I just laugh when people say business's DON'T want to pay a certain wage.
But they choose to ignore the big outlays that have massively increased over the past 18 months.
This individual I speak off, their utilit bills increased by 75% in the last 18 months.
In the last wage increase budget, it increased salaries by £4000 per month
So in a space of 24 months, their outgoings are going to be roughly £180,000 more than 2 years ago, and that's ignoring the other increases to stock value increases.
But it's their fault their business model sucks.
They're not fussed by it, they remain calm about it which is better than I would be doing right now, but they admit this time, they have begun planning for redundancies, which is a shame for the staff that have worked there for the last 10 years. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:02 - Oct 31 with 1085 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:33 - Oct 31 by FrimleyBlue |
As I posted earlier, a lot of small-medium businesses will benefit
The one I spoke about earlier, the budget has just increased their outgoings on staff by an annual cost of £78000.
There is no reprieve itself, it's just a slower way of killing businesses off alltogether
BTW this isn't just about the increase in minimum wage, the killer is the £9000 to £5000 reduction before you start paying Employer NI. This along works out approx £48000 per year increase before you even look at the actual wage increases...
"if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model."
Classic line.
It's completely untrue.
The living wage issue is caused because of the cost of mortgages, rents, shopping, utilities.
A small cafe for example could be run extremely well, but theres going to be a limit the customers will want to pay, you may well have increased the wages of said customers, but none of the other outgoings are reducing, so they're not suddenly going to think it's alright i've got another spare £2, that £2 will be used possibly for that bus journey they took, or the utility bill that's going up, or to help pay the car insurance that increases annually despite no accidents.
""if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model."
That line is such a bullsht thought it really is. |
My partner worked in the Living Wage Foundation for 10 years and raised millions of pounds accrediting thousands of businesses, from tiny coffee shops to FTSE 100 companies. They all realised they could pay a real living wage, and were shown how it would benefit them overall (monetarily, as well).
It would take a lot more time than I have to show you that it's not bullsht - but I don't need to, the fact that thousands of businesses have signed up to it - which they legally don't have to - shows it works.
As to your one businesses you've cited there - I have no idea what that £78,000 means. Depending on the size of the business that could be an annoyance akin to a gnat. Maybe they could pay their CEO less, or make less profits. It's just pointless talking about ONE business. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:05 - Oct 31 with 1081 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:50 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
""if your business isn't able to run whilst paying a fair living wage then there's something wrong with your business model.” Is the sort of nonsense spouted by people who haven’t done so much as run a whelk stall. I’m not alone in being a business owner who during some very lean times, would forego taking a living wage of any sort in order to make sure my staff and suppliers are paid.
The living wage in isolation isn’t the issue. As you say, it’s the increase in employer NI contributions, the increased energy costs, the stock costs that have soared since Covid and Ukraine, the highest rate of VAT in Europe for hospitality (France 10% Germany 7% Italy 10% Spain 10% Ireland 9% UK 20% very little of which can be clawed back due to most of it being zero rated), reduction in business rate relief whilst raising the threshold on rateable value etc etc. |
I don't need to run a stall to know the Real Living Wage works. The fact that thousands of businesses have signed up to it tells me it works. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:07 - Oct 31 with 1072 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:05 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't need to run a stall to know the Real Living Wage works. The fact that thousands of businesses have signed up to it tells me it works. |
You didn’t read a single word past “run a whelk stall” did you? | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:10 - Oct 31 with 1068 views | Leaky |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:39 - Oct 30 by NeedhamChris |
Why should government subsidise companies to provide a fair wage? |
It doesn't really matter how fair wage is arrived at. The fact is someone has to pay for it |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:13 - Oct 31 with 1059 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:05 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't need to run a stall to know the Real Living Wage works. The fact that thousands of businesses have signed up to it tells me it works. |
What small businesses are signed up Flash,
Having a quick gander, I can see many very large companies. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:15 - Oct 31 with 1056 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 17:34 - Oct 30 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Did they take a hit on profit margins too? |
We didn't make much of that before, but we'll make even less this year. |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:15 - Oct 31 with 1056 views | Leaky |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:46 - Oct 30 by J2BLUE |
Fair enough. It's not for the lowest paid to subsidise the rest of society. |
You could also argue that the lowest paid get a payrise, prices rise everyone else gets a payrise the lower paid are still in the same boat | | | |
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