| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… 13:17 - Oct 30 with 32254 views | SitfcB |
Cut by 1.7% - one penny off a pint. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:04 - Oct 31 with 1980 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:45 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We need more immigration (to staff things like the NHS) not less. |
Maybe, but like Australia you need the right sort of immigrants to fill those requirements.
I don't thin thousands of illegal immigrants are likely to be filling those vacancies.
Those that might be granted asylum are more likely to be a drain on the NHS, rather than a benefit. |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:10 - Oct 31 with 1966 views | WeWereZombies |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:39 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
You are correct Frimmers, the country is too overpopulated and the current infrastructure cannot cope, and it will get worse.
Borrowing money to the extent labour want, will likely increase rates, and borrowing cost will be higher in the future. More borrowing will increase rates and debt even further.
Hoping to fund it by increasing taxes on the wealthy, sounds good to most on the left, but I'm betting that when more and more people migrate to more tax efficient countries/states, then eventually the losses will outweigh the gains.
It's an impossible scenario for any government, just not enough taxable income to run the country efficiently. Yet more and more immigrants are causing a strain on all your resources, so yes you are right, the country is broke, and those pot holes will just become deeper. |
Firstly, which country are you talking about in your opening paragraph ?
You then go on to advocate people to move (have these people no sense of patrimony that they will up sticks for the sake of a few thousand quid ?) but then say there shouldn't be immigration ! |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:13 - Oct 31 with 1953 views | DJR |
We are not alone when it comes to high taxation.
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:22 - Oct 31 with 1925 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:04 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
Maybe, but like Australia you need the right sort of immigrants to fill those requirements.
I don't thin thousands of illegal immigrants are likely to be filling those vacancies.
Those that might be granted asylum are more likely to be a drain on the NHS, rather than a benefit. |
If people have been granted asylum then they're not illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigration is a tiny fraction of the entire population, the country is not overcrowded due to illegal immigrants.
Why are people granted asylum more likely to be a drain on the NHS? Do you have any evidence to back this up? |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:33 - Oct 31 with 1887 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:22 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If people have been granted asylum then they're not illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigration is a tiny fraction of the entire population, the country is not overcrowded due to illegal immigrants.
Why are people granted asylum more likely to be a drain on the NHS? Do you have any evidence to back this up? |
People arriving in boats are illegal. Some are granted asylum. what do you call the ones that are not granted asylum?
Common sense tells me that the more populated the country becomes, without the necessary funding, then things will continue to go down hill.
Now you might well argue differently, that's you prerogative . However only time will tell which one of us is right | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:34 - Oct 31 with 1884 views | unbelievablue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:21 - Oct 30 by J2BLUE |
Working from home is also a big thing. It sounds harsh but independent cafes etc will need to adapt or stop trading. The new flexible working regulations are not going to help footfall. |
Exactly. Adapt or die.
The capitalists bemoaning changes in free market economies due to demand, working patterns etc., just cos it hurts their bottom line that they assumed was solid, crack me up. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:37 - Oct 31 with 1867 views | unbelievablue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:33 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
People arriving in boats are illegal. Some are granted asylum. what do you call the ones that are not granted asylum?
Common sense tells me that the more populated the country becomes, without the necessary funding, then things will continue to go down hill.
Now you might well argue differently, that's you prerogative . However only time will tell which one of us is right |
As I understand it, the method of arrival is illegal but those people are asylum seekers by definition until denied right to remain.
How about we're compassionate and empathetic by default, and take whatever perceived financial 'hit' there is to managing all this? As ever, so many more drains on public finances that truly deserve a microscope. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 11:40]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:38 - Oct 31 with 1863 views | Blueschev |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:33 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
People arriving in boats are illegal. Some are granted asylum. what do you call the ones that are not granted asylum?
Common sense tells me that the more populated the country becomes, without the necessary funding, then things will continue to go down hill.
Now you might well argue differently, that's you prerogative . However only time will tell which one of us is right |
It's been pointed out to you numerous times that your first point is incorrect. Repeating it doesn't make it any more true.
Your second point is also wrong. We have an ageing population that continues to be a significant burden on the finances of the state, as a result we need more working age taxpayers, not less. I'm sure that's been pointed out to you in the past also. |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:54 - Oct 31 with 1817 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:33 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
People arriving in boats are illegal. Some are granted asylum. what do you call the ones that are not granted asylum?
Common sense tells me that the more populated the country becomes, without the necessary funding, then things will continue to go down hill.
Now you might well argue differently, that's you prerogative . However only time will tell which one of us is right |
Your first point is stupid, meaningless and a form of deflection. Who cares what we call people not granted asylum? You said "I don't think thousands of illegal immigrants are likely to be filling those vacancies" - no-one said they would be, we're talking about immigrants/immigration as illegal immigration is a tiny fraction.
You also said, "Those that might be granted asylum are more likely to be a drain on the NHS" and I asked where is your evidence? You can't just make such a claim out of thin air, but you have, and ignored my call for evidence.
Your evidence is "common sense", even though we need more immigration and illegal immigration is tiny.
You don't have any evidence (or common sense for that matter). You just have a Daily Mail headline. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:17 - Oct 31 with 1758 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:34 - Oct 31 by unbelievablue |
Exactly. Adapt or die.
The capitalists bemoaning changes in free market economies due to demand, working patterns etc., just cos it hurts their bottom line that they assumed was solid, crack me up. |
Adapt or die sounds great. But don't start crying when the the piss-stinking shopping centre in the new side of town is boarded up, you can only drink in Wetherspoons and you have to buy all your essentials from Jeff Bezos. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:30 - Oct 31 with 1729 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:54 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your first point is stupid, meaningless and a form of deflection. Who cares what we call people not granted asylum? You said "I don't think thousands of illegal immigrants are likely to be filling those vacancies" - no-one said they would be, we're talking about immigrants/immigration as illegal immigration is a tiny fraction.
You also said, "Those that might be granted asylum are more likely to be a drain on the NHS" and I asked where is your evidence? You can't just make such a claim out of thin air, but you have, and ignored my call for evidence.
Your evidence is "common sense", even though we need more immigration and illegal immigration is tiny.
You don't have any evidence (or common sense for that matter). You just have a Daily Mail headline. |
Like i said, you are at liberty to disagree, without the usual insults.
Goodnight. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:37 - Oct 31 with 1711 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:13 - Oct 31 by DJR |
We are not alone when it comes to high taxation.
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However the UK has the second highest rate of millionaires migrating to more tax favorable countries/states.
Second only to China, and due to increase dramatically.
This should help you pay for everything. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:05 - Oct 31 with 1674 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:30 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
Like i said, you are at liberty to disagree, without the usual insults.
Goodnight. |
You have no answers. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:07 - Oct 31 with 1672 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:05 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You have no answers. |
Correct. But that only applies to you. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:43 - Oct 31 with 1613 views | giant_stow |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 11:13 - Oct 31 by DJR |
We are not alone when it comes to high taxation.
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Great tweet and thanks for sharing - really useful to see our strife in context. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:44 - Oct 31 with 1602 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 23:27 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Starmer’s definition of working people. by Ryorry 25 Oct 2024 19:44In brief on phone -
Would NOT have axed WFA for pensioners on very low incomes (eg £13k p/a) but not in receipt of pension credit - at least graduate the threshold.
WOULD have increased income tax by 1p for services generally instead, fairest form of taxation; would have looked into the possibility of another 1p specifically ring fenced for the NHS.
WOULD have gone after tax dodgers like Google and other large corporations, and said so - woulda been popular and immediately got people on side.
And I'd NOT have gone after small-medium businesses of 5-30 employees who will now, as we've seen/heard from comments on here & on various news programmes, be looking at laying employees off and/or cutting their wages. That is hardly promoting growth.
Edit: See also my earlier post about IHT on family farms being disastrous. [Post edited 30 Oct 2024 23:38]
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Re farms: Just seen on the news it doesn't affect small farms... in fact 73% of farms won't be affected. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:46 - Oct 31 with 1579 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:07 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
Correct. But that only applies to you. |
yeah, that's because I ask the difficult questions you have no answers for, because your 'theories' aren't based on any facts or evidence. They're just thoughts from your head. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:48 - Oct 31 with 1550 views | positivity |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:37 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
However the UK has the second highest rate of millionaires migrating to more tax favorable countries/states.
Second only to China, and due to increase dramatically.
This should help you pay for everything. |
let them go to belgium if they don't care about the country.
imagine being so tight and unpatriotic that you would move from your family and friends and your country just to pay a few quid less in tax! | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:49 - Oct 31 with 1540 views | unbelievablue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 12:17 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Adapt or die sounds great. But don't start crying when the the piss-stinking shopping centre in the new side of town is boarded up, you can only drink in Wetherspoons and you have to buy all your essentials from Jeff Bezos. |
That won't happen. If it does, I'll move, and the devil take the hindmost. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:50 - Oct 31 with 1532 views | giant_stow |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:44 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Re farms: Just seen on the news it doesn't affect small farms... in fact 73% of farms won't be affected. |
I know nothing much about this, but apart from raising revenue, isn't one of the points of this policy about stopping rich people buying farm land as a vehicle to avoid inheritance tax? And isn't that one of the major reasons farm land has gone up in price a lot recently?
If I have that all right, then prices stabilising / maybe even reducing will help faming families going forward, or at least new entrants / people who actually want to farm for a living? Wouldn't land being cheaper (or at least less expensive than it would have been) reduces costs to faming?
Could be chatting sh1t, so apologies if so. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:54 - Oct 31 with 1504 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:50 - Oct 31 by giant_stow |
I know nothing much about this, but apart from raising revenue, isn't one of the points of this policy about stopping rich people buying farm land as a vehicle to avoid inheritance tax? And isn't that one of the major reasons farm land has gone up in price a lot recently?
If I have that all right, then prices stabilising / maybe even reducing will help faming families going forward, or at least new entrants / people who actually want to farm for a living? Wouldn't land being cheaper (or at least less expensive than it would have been) reduces costs to faming?
Could be chatting sh1t, so apologies if so. |
No, you're right, or at least that's what they said on the news just now.
The people up in arms about this are the big farms who were hoping to keep on avoiding inheritance tax! | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:00 - Oct 31 with 1468 views | giant_stow |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:54 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, you're right, or at least that's what they said on the news just now.
The people up in arms about this are the big farms who were hoping to keep on avoiding inheritance tax! |
Ah thats a relief to see you confirm it!
Is there any mechanism to help genuine farmers who've done well and don't want to sell the family farm on death? ie, could the state take a charge over the portion of the farm which would need to be sold to pay inheritance tax, thus allowing the descendants to carry on afterwards? | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:00 - Oct 31 with 1467 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:46 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
yeah, that's because I ask the difficult questions you have no answers for, because your 'theories' aren't based on any facts or evidence. They're just thoughts from your head. |
You flatter yourself if you think you ask difficult questions.
Dear God🤣 | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 14:09 - Oct 31 with 1424 views | lowhouseblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 13:54 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, you're right, or at least that's what they said on the news just now.
The people up in arms about this are the big farms who were hoping to keep on avoiding inheritance tax! |
one of the big drivers of the agricultural land market is people buying for what agents describe as 'estate management' purposes ie managing future inheritance tax liabilities. on the other hand even quite small farms are now worth a great deal and if they are managed hands on by multiple generations together it does feel punitive to take 20% of the value of an shared ongoing venture. perhaps the inheritance tax could be held over until / if the farm is sold and the value realised. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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