| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… 13:17 - Oct 30 with 32410 views | SitfcB |
Cut by 1.7% - one penny off a pint. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:16 - Oct 31 with 1843 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:07 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
You didn’t read a single word past “run a whelk stall” did you? |
I did, but I was discussing the Real Living Wage with Frimmers and your response was "Is the sort of nonsense spouted by people who haven’t done so much as run a whelk stall" which I clearly would take umbrage to, and therefore replied on.
I don't have the knowledge to discuss the other intricacies of running a business, so I've stuck to the thing I know a bit about. You've tried to belittle that and then move onto something else (I appreciate they're related to running a business - but I repeat, I was just making a point about fair wages).
If a company has to pay a pittance to its staff in order to make a decent profit then that to me is wrong - it shouldn't be the lowest paid picking up the tab for the country. And the Living Wage Foundation have proved that it's actually beneficial, over time, to pay staff fairly, even in economically difficult times. Hence thousands have voluntarily signed up for it.
Feel free to come back with more abuse/rudeness/patronisation but I'll be leaving it there. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:26 - Oct 31 with 1828 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:13 - Oct 31 by FrimleyBlue |
What small businesses are signed up Flash,
Having a quick gander, I can see many very large companies. |
Loads. They show the top ones on the website because it looks good/more attractive. I've just asked Lady Dollers - 80% are SMEs. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:29 - Oct 31 with 1813 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:26 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Loads. They show the top ones on the website because it looks good/more attractive. I've just asked Lady Dollers - 80% are SMEs. |
excellent,
what's the staff levels of the sme's
what utilities do they use as part of their business's being run
what business relief do they get
what's the average industry signing up
all good info to have. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 9:31]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:33 - Oct 31 with 1794 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:16 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I did, but I was discussing the Real Living Wage with Frimmers and your response was "Is the sort of nonsense spouted by people who haven’t done so much as run a whelk stall" which I clearly would take umbrage to, and therefore replied on.
I don't have the knowledge to discuss the other intricacies of running a business, so I've stuck to the thing I know a bit about. You've tried to belittle that and then move onto something else (I appreciate they're related to running a business - but I repeat, I was just making a point about fair wages).
If a company has to pay a pittance to its staff in order to make a decent profit then that to me is wrong - it shouldn't be the lowest paid picking up the tab for the country. And the Living Wage Foundation have proved that it's actually beneficial, over time, to pay staff fairly, even in economically difficult times. Hence thousands have voluntarily signed up for it.
Feel free to come back with more abuse/rudeness/patronisation but I'll be leaving it there. |
Then you completely ignored the part where I said that the living wage “ in isolation” isn’t the issue. I pay the living wage for my 17 year old staff at the same rate I pay my more mature staff members. They do the same job, they are entitled to the same rate of pay.
Blimey, if you think my answer was rude and abusive then the business world definitely isn’t for you dollers. And stay away from my chef when we have 30 covers come in all at once. Then you’d know what rude and abusive means 😛😀
Edit. I’ll give you patronising though. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 9:34]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:36 - Oct 31 with 1790 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:29 - Oct 31 by FrimleyBlue |
excellent,
what's the staff levels of the sme's
what utilities do they use as part of their business's being run
what business relief do they get
what's the average industry signing up
all good info to have. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 9:31]
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How on earth do you expect me to answer all that? It's obviously impossible.
You've been proved wrong, now you're moving the goalposts/creating a straw man that's impossible to answer. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:40 - Oct 31 with 1760 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:36 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How on earth do you expect me to answer all that? It's obviously impossible.
You've been proved wrong, now you're moving the goalposts/creating a straw man that's impossible to answer. |
Not moving goalposts, i'm asking questions as she has the answers, so It could be good to pass that knowledge onto my friend no?
If they're business's that don't actually compare with the one im talking about then it doesn't work as you say it does, so I don't need to pass that info on.
Surely she knows the averages of the things ive asked?
You should see why im asking
If you've got a cleaning manager signed up who just has a van and a few staff who use their own vehicles, their overheads are much easier to manage compared to someone who has utilities to pay, building rents, more stock, etc etc. So it's a fair question no? | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:41 - Oct 31 with 1757 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:33 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Then you completely ignored the part where I said that the living wage “ in isolation” isn’t the issue. I pay the living wage for my 17 year old staff at the same rate I pay my more mature staff members. They do the same job, they are entitled to the same rate of pay.
Blimey, if you think my answer was rude and abusive then the business world definitely isn’t for you dollers. And stay away from my chef when we have 30 covers come in all at once. Then you’d know what rude and abusive means 😛😀
Edit. I’ll give you patronising though. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 9:34]
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It is interesting, some seem to think businesses pay £5 and hour and are only now in uproar.. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:44 - Oct 31 with 1750 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:33 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Then you completely ignored the part where I said that the living wage “ in isolation” isn’t the issue. I pay the living wage for my 17 year old staff at the same rate I pay my more mature staff members. They do the same job, they are entitled to the same rate of pay.
Blimey, if you think my answer was rude and abusive then the business world definitely isn’t for you dollers. And stay away from my chef when we have 30 covers come in all at once. Then you’d know what rude and abusive means 😛😀
Edit. I’ll give you patronising though. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 9:34]
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Fine. Good for you.
I didn't ignore anything. I was talking about the Living Wage. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:50 - Oct 31 with 1738 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:40 - Oct 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Not moving goalposts, i'm asking questions as she has the answers, so It could be good to pass that knowledge onto my friend no?
If they're business's that don't actually compare with the one im talking about then it doesn't work as you say it does, so I don't need to pass that info on.
Surely she knows the averages of the things ive asked?
You should see why im asking
If you've got a cleaning manager signed up who just has a van and a few staff who use their own vehicles, their overheads are much easier to manage compared to someone who has utilities to pay, building rents, more stock, etc etc. So it's a fair question no? |
There are over 15,000 businesses listed on the website. 80% are SMEs. And you're asking me to tell you their staff levels, what utilities they use, what business relief they get and what's the average industry signing up?
Literally nobody could answer that.
It is businesses of every size, so whatever the one business is you're talking about there will be comparable businesses, and lots of them. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:50 - Oct 31 with 1737 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:37 - Oct 30 by FrimleyBlue |
TBH it's not really anything to do with any government
Life changed for the high street, the first moment supermarkets started stocking everything from TV's to Glasses' to clothes, to food, and then Amazon and the internet came into popularity.
I don't think there's anything any Government can do to bring high streets back to what they were as they just won't be used, there's no need for it.
The internet was the best and worst thing to happen to the world imo |
This, and car parking directly outside the front doors.
High street shopping died long before the last government, then covid came along.....
People can blame the government for many things, but not everything. The same thing would have happened under a labour government, and people shouldn't hold their breath that all this borrowing wont at some stage come back to bite you all on the ass. |  | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:55 - Oct 31 with 1719 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 15:48 - Oct 30 by AshfordBlue |
There will be no pub in the country that reduces the price of a pint by 1p. Once you factor in the NI and minimum wage rises you will probably end up paying more for a pint! |
Correct, prices rarely go down. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:01 - Oct 31 with 1695 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:50 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There are over 15,000 businesses listed on the website. 80% are SMEs. And you're asking me to tell you their staff levels, what utilities they use, what business relief they get and what's the average industry signing up?
Literally nobody could answer that.
It is businesses of every size, so whatever the one business is you're talking about there will be comparable businesses, and lots of them. |
Then you can't say
1 - it works - - - it wont' for everyone
2 - if you can't then your business model is wrong.
No it's not, goalposts have changed to ridiculous levels inside a period of 18 months, that's not having a bad business model.. the model was fine, it just now needs tweaking which unfortunately will have to lead to job cuts.
NOW had utility and building rents NOT gone up, none of yesturdays budget would have added any further issues. But unfortunately, as we know, everything has gone up. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:04 - Oct 31 with 1687 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 17:39 - Oct 30 by Plums |
So surely, the penny off is to soften the blow of the NI and NMW increases for the publicans -whilst providing a cheer for those who don't think too deeply about it.
Quite clever really |
Clever! are you serious?
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:07 - Oct 31 with 1680 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 17:07 - Oct 30 by GlasgowBlue |
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Yes, let's see how many people are happy when interest rates go back up, and mortgage costs stay high. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:10 - Oct 31 with 1677 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 18:42 - Oct 30 by Ryorry |
Very bad move to impose IHT on family farms though - ALL of which are worth £1m+ (agricultural land is currently worth c. £10K/acre).
The upshot will be that if farmers want to pass on the family farms to kids/grandkids, those legatees will be forced to sell parcels of land to large corporate farms run as businesses with an eye only on profit, so more monoculture and less care of the environment likely. |
You're smart Ryorry, you are the thinking man's woman;) | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:15 - Oct 31 with 1668 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:50 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
This, and car parking directly outside the front doors.
High street shopping died long before the last government, then covid came along.....
People can blame the government for many things, but not everything. The same thing would have happened under a labour government, and people shouldn't hold their breath that all this borrowing wont at some stage come back to bite you all on the ass. |
TBH most of what the parties says is just words and money spent that won't improve anything
The Country is broken imo, various reasons
Overpopulation is driving the waiting lists up, not just hospitals, but seeing GP's, there just aren't enough hours in a day to see everyone, they can bang the drum about mis management of funds, but i've got friends who work in various places within the nhs and they can't believe the sheer volume of people admitted compared to 10 years ago.
But also, the lack of beds, I know of an OAP who was stuck in hospital for 3 weeks, why? because there wasn't a care plan to enable her to leave.. why? because care agencies can't find the staff. Being a carer isn't many of life choices made by your general british person, most carers came from Poland, Norway etc, we can't get those over as we used to, we know why, but that's had a massive effect, it isn't just spend.
High streets, we've already mentioned
Benefit system, to difficult to manage, things like Anxiety, depression quite easily diagnosed now and a more formulated reason to not have to work despite the evidence that working can improve these aspects, that's not a slight on the individuals but another reason why the system is broken as to many are now being classified as having a form of illness which they can use to not have to work.
The sheer number of immigrants, without starting another debate about it, the numbers just don't help and already struggling country regardless of legal or illegal, it's just not big enough
I personally dread for life for My sons children when he has them, where are the jobs going to come from, when AI takes over counters, we've already seen the till system at supermarkets drop to ridiculous levels. I remember they were one of the biggest troopers in helping disabled people into work, now you're linup up to scan your products on a till yourself.
Honestly, I think i'm glad I was born when I was and going to be out of here before it goes to sht, I just feel for my future family who have it all to come. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:17 - Oct 31 with 1655 views | WeWereZombies |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 08:02 - Oct 31 by catch74 |
Mostly right - except your last bit. The pubs won’t get the reduction from the brewery - at best they’ll hold their prices - more likely to put them up. The pubs will then have customers coming in asking why their pint price hasn’t been reduced and has in fact gone up ‘that’s not really in the spirit.’ This happened a lot after the last Conservative budget too - overall alcohol duty increase was the highest in 50 years but the headline was cheaper pint for you in the pub. We’re used to it.
Whilst a lot of publicans will now be paying their new staff member with zero experience more than themselves. That’s the only place where the money can come from now, our industry has been ravaged, not helped by a refusal to tax supermarkets - who can clearly afford it - on an even footing with pubs .
Bankster - the 40% business rates reduction you mention earlier is welcome but last year it had been a 75% reduction - they were affordable at that rate but that’s £1000’s increase yoy.
The removal of them will be welcome in 25/26, again to make things fairer v. Supermarkets but too little too late for many. |
I'm not trying to pick holes in your argument, I broadly agree with it, but I would point out that by restricting the reduction in duty to draught beer Reeves is making a small step in favour of pubs over supermarkets...well unless Waitrose start adding a St Peter's IPA nozzle to their complimentary coffee machines. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 10:33]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:22 - Oct 31 with 1638 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:07 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
Yes, let's see how many people are happy when interest rates go back up, and mortgage costs stay high. |
OBR says that the NI increase will have a negative impact on pay:
"We expect real earnings to grow 2.4 per cent this year and 1.2 per cent in 2025, 1.1 and 0.7 percentage points higher than in March, respectively. Real earnings then stall in 2026 and 2027 as firms rebuild margins and pass on the cost of higher employer NICs. This means we do not expect real wages to resume growing in line with productivity (around 1 per cent a year) until beyond the forecast horizon".
The OBR has also g=forecast a rise of inflation to 2.6%, revised their growth forecasts downwards and forecast average mortgage rates are expected to rise from an average of 3.7% to 4.5% over the next three years. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:23 - Oct 31 with 1631 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:01 - Oct 31 by FrimleyBlue |
Then you can't say
1 - it works - - - it wont' for everyone
2 - if you can't then your business model is wrong.
No it's not, goalposts have changed to ridiculous levels inside a period of 18 months, that's not having a bad business model.. the model was fine, it just now needs tweaking which unfortunately will have to lead to job cuts.
NOW had utility and building rents NOT gone up, none of yesturdays budget would have added any further issues. But unfortunately, as we know, everything has gone up. |
What bit of "It is businesses of every size" are you struggling with?
You've given me an impossible question that no-one can answer and then claimed that as some sort of victory. I'm done here. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:30 - Oct 31 with 1602 views | lowhouseblue |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:22 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
OBR says that the NI increase will have a negative impact on pay:
"We expect real earnings to grow 2.4 per cent this year and 1.2 per cent in 2025, 1.1 and 0.7 percentage points higher than in March, respectively. Real earnings then stall in 2026 and 2027 as firms rebuild margins and pass on the cost of higher employer NICs. This means we do not expect real wages to resume growing in line with productivity (around 1 per cent a year) until beyond the forecast horizon".
The OBR has also g=forecast a rise of inflation to 2.6%, revised their growth forecasts downwards and forecast average mortgage rates are expected to rise from an average of 3.7% to 4.5% over the next three years. |
i think the analysis would be pretty much the same with any form of tax rise. firms try to pass on the cost to workers / purchasers, workers try to recoup the cost with higher wages. greater inflationary pressure pushes up interest rates. but forecasts are only forecasts and the obr has a pretty poor record of getting these things right. we don't know what is going to happen to productivity given everything else in the budget (which is the big gamble) and we don't know how the labour market is going to react to slow real wage growth. it may be better or worse than the obr predicts. |  |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:39 - Oct 31 with 1584 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:15 - Oct 31 by FrimleyBlue |
TBH most of what the parties says is just words and money spent that won't improve anything
The Country is broken imo, various reasons
Overpopulation is driving the waiting lists up, not just hospitals, but seeing GP's, there just aren't enough hours in a day to see everyone, they can bang the drum about mis management of funds, but i've got friends who work in various places within the nhs and they can't believe the sheer volume of people admitted compared to 10 years ago.
But also, the lack of beds, I know of an OAP who was stuck in hospital for 3 weeks, why? because there wasn't a care plan to enable her to leave.. why? because care agencies can't find the staff. Being a carer isn't many of life choices made by your general british person, most carers came from Poland, Norway etc, we can't get those over as we used to, we know why, but that's had a massive effect, it isn't just spend.
High streets, we've already mentioned
Benefit system, to difficult to manage, things like Anxiety, depression quite easily diagnosed now and a more formulated reason to not have to work despite the evidence that working can improve these aspects, that's not a slight on the individuals but another reason why the system is broken as to many are now being classified as having a form of illness which they can use to not have to work.
The sheer number of immigrants, without starting another debate about it, the numbers just don't help and already struggling country regardless of legal or illegal, it's just not big enough
I personally dread for life for My sons children when he has them, where are the jobs going to come from, when AI takes over counters, we've already seen the till system at supermarkets drop to ridiculous levels. I remember they were one of the biggest troopers in helping disabled people into work, now you're linup up to scan your products on a till yourself.
Honestly, I think i'm glad I was born when I was and going to be out of here before it goes to sht, I just feel for my future family who have it all to come. |
You are correct Frimmers, the country is too overpopulated and the current infrastructure cannot cope, and it will get worse.
Borrowing money to the extent labour want, will likely increase rates, and borrowing cost will be higher in the future. More borrowing will increase rates and debt even further.
Hoping to fund it by increasing taxes on the wealthy, sounds good to most on the left, but I'm betting that when more and more people migrate to more tax efficient countries/states, then eventually the losses will outweigh the gains.
It's an impossible scenario for any government, just not enough taxable income to run the country efficiently. Yet more and more immigrants are causing a strain on all your resources, so yes you are right, the country is broke, and those pot holes will just become deeper. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:44 - Oct 31 with 1568 views | Blueschev |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 09:33 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Then you completely ignored the part where I said that the living wage “ in isolation” isn’t the issue. I pay the living wage for my 17 year old staff at the same rate I pay my more mature staff members. They do the same job, they are entitled to the same rate of pay.
Blimey, if you think my answer was rude and abusive then the business world definitely isn’t for you dollers. And stay away from my chef when we have 30 covers come in all at once. Then you’d know what rude and abusive means 😛😀
Edit. I’ll give you patronising though. [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 9:34]
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When I was a teen I worked as a pot wash in a pub kitchen, the chef once threw a whole uncooked chicken at the back of my head in a rage! [Post edited 31 Oct 2024 10:56]
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:45 - Oct 31 with 1565 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:39 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
You are correct Frimmers, the country is too overpopulated and the current infrastructure cannot cope, and it will get worse.
Borrowing money to the extent labour want, will likely increase rates, and borrowing cost will be higher in the future. More borrowing will increase rates and debt even further.
Hoping to fund it by increasing taxes on the wealthy, sounds good to most on the left, but I'm betting that when more and more people migrate to more tax efficient countries/states, then eventually the losses will outweigh the gains.
It's an impossible scenario for any government, just not enough taxable income to run the country efficiently. Yet more and more immigrants are causing a strain on all your resources, so yes you are right, the country is broke, and those pot holes will just become deeper. |
We need more immigration (to staff things like the NHS) not less. | |
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| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:48 - Oct 31 with 1552 views | Zapers |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:22 - Oct 31 by GlasgowBlue |
OBR says that the NI increase will have a negative impact on pay:
"We expect real earnings to grow 2.4 per cent this year and 1.2 per cent in 2025, 1.1 and 0.7 percentage points higher than in March, respectively. Real earnings then stall in 2026 and 2027 as firms rebuild margins and pass on the cost of higher employer NICs. This means we do not expect real wages to resume growing in line with productivity (around 1 per cent a year) until beyond the forecast horizon".
The OBR has also g=forecast a rise of inflation to 2.6%, revised their growth forecasts downwards and forecast average mortgage rates are expected to rise from an average of 3.7% to 4.5% over the next three years. |
Yes, I also read this. It's way too early for people to be gloating over this budget.
I think the article says that there might be an initial short term sugar rush, but it will be short lived. I expect normal service will soon be resumed, that is increases in prices, increase in inflation, and increases in borrowing costs. | | | |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:51 - Oct 31 with 1533 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Loudest cheer in the commons is for the cut in draught duty… on 10:48 - Oct 31 by Zapers |
Yes, I also read this. It's way too early for people to be gloating over this budget.
I think the article says that there might be an initial short term sugar rush, but it will be short lived. I expect normal service will soon be resumed, that is increases in prices, increase in inflation, and increases in borrowing costs. |
I've not seen anyone gloating over the budget. | |
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