| Dropping Muric? 22:37 - Dec 8 with 3765 views | ringwoodblue |
If McK did drop Muric and Walton comes in and does a better job then happy days. However if nothing changes and we still continue to lose games, then we’ve shattered Muric’s confidence for nothing and we then have to find someone else to blame.
Barring Muric getting injured, I think we have to stick with him.
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| Dropping Muric? on 22:42 - Dec 8 with 3216 views | Clutch |
Yeah so as you said he may come in and not make so many mistakes, so great? We can't continue as is, so makes sense to drop him. Surely his character should want to fight for a place back. |  | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 23:03 - Dec 8 with 3131 views | Bugs |
People always look through rose-tinted glasses to the past. Haladky made some mistakes last season playing out from the back that led to goals against us. There were more than a couple of goals, from shots, we coincided last season when many of us thought Haladky should have done better. At one point, every shot on target was going in. People forget about all that. If Muric was in goal at Norwich away last season, that free kick would have been most likely been saved.
Walton is no better with his feet than Muric, not as dominant for crosses, not as good at one on ones, and still susceptible to a major cock up (at a lower level of football).
Like it or not, Muric, is probably the best senior keeper we have at the club. Could he be better? Yes. Should we give him our full backing while playing for us? Also yes. |  | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 00:33 - Dec 9 with 3014 views | stonojnr |
you drop Muric, you destroy his confidence for the rest of the season. so then what ?
keepers are the last line of defence, sort out the rest of the team holding the ball up the pitch more first, then the defence & keeper arent having to dig us out of holes all the time. |  | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 05:28 - Dec 9 with 2939 views | ibbleobble |
…so the logic is stick with a keeper who is prone to mistakes in the hope he improves? Seems a bit backward to me. Walton in. | | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 06:00 - Dec 9 with 2919 views | Blue_Heath |
Walton played what twice in last year and a half and majority of games in League 1. Not really sure this is the answer. The goal keeping coach needs to coach. | | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 06:11 - Dec 9 with 2901 views | ibbleobble |
| Dropping Muric? on 06:00 - Dec 9 by Blue_Heath |
Walton played what twice in last year and a half and majority of games in League 1. Not really sure this is the answer. The goal keeping coach needs to coach. |
It’s clear Muric isn’t calm headed enough - he doesn’t instinctively know when to stick or twist. His lack of awareness for Rashford’s goal was comical. We’re fast approaching the half-way mark and sadly, coaching situational awareness and temperament takes a long time.
Folk need to get off the “Walton is a League One keeper” bandwagon - he really isn’t. | | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 06:26 - Dec 9 with 2871 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Dropping Muric? on 00:33 - Dec 9 by stonojnr |
you drop Muric, you destroy his confidence for the rest of the season. so then what ?
keepers are the last line of defence, sort out the rest of the team holding the ball up the pitch more first, then the defence & keeper arent having to dig us out of holes all the time. |
I'm not advocating dropping him but if he was to be be dropped and that had the consequence of destroying his confidence as you suggest, then he should be dropped in a heartbeat. |  | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 07:28 - Dec 9 with 2759 views | textbackup |
Walton continues to watch Muric fck up without getting a look in… what we think his confidence looks like these days? |  |
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| Dropping Muric? on 08:14 - Dec 9 with 2688 views | portmanking |
Alternatively, you don't drop him, he starts to think he's undroppable and continues to put in brain-dead performances like yesterday.
Muric is an aberration of a signing. Up there with Sereni IMO.
We went from Hladky who had some genuine football IQ to a 6ft 6" giant with nothing between his ears.
I don't care if he's a good shot stopper. That's a prerequisite for any PL-level goalkeeper IMO. I don't care if he's good at claiming crosses - that's a prerequisite for anyone of his size and stature. I just want a keeper to make sensible decisions and play the situation.
We have no hope of staying up with him in the sticks, because you can be sure as eggs are eggs that we'll have more games like yesterday - battling well, fighting hard for every ball and defending a lead, only for Muric to burst the bubble with yet another brain fart. Enough. | | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 08:16 - Dec 9 with 2663 views | FrimleyBlue |
Thing is I don't think he needs dropping as he was getting better.
What I don't understand is those who say it would automatically drop his confidence. We've see. Burgess dropped and back in. Chappers too. It's done them well. |  |
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| Dropping Muric? on 08:22 - Dec 9 with 2631 views | BlueRaider |
Since Brentford, he had been really good, until the mistake yesterday, I think we have to stick with him, I don't think Walton is better unfortunately. | |
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| Dropping Muric? on 08:42 - Dec 9 with 2569 views | fabian_illness |
He's a professional football player.
To say dropping him will knock his confidence is a ridiculous statement.
It might hurt his pride, but it will show that no one player is guaranteed a start no matter how they play. |  | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 08:54 - Dec 9 with 2512 views | WeWereZombies |
| Dropping Muric? on 06:11 - Dec 9 by ibbleobble |
It’s clear Muric isn’t calm headed enough - he doesn’t instinctively know when to stick or twist. His lack of awareness for Rashford’s goal was comical. We’re fast approaching the half-way mark and sadly, coaching situational awareness and temperament takes a long time.
Folk need to get off the “Walton is a League One keeper” bandwagon - he really isn’t. |
Sánchez made a similar mistake yesterday for, I think, Kuleveski's goal but was even further away from the ball. It is part of an attacker's job to wrongfoot and deceive defenders and the keeper and on the occasion you quote Rashford did that, if not much else during the game, very well. I would be more critical of Davis and the centre of defence than Muric. |  |
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| Dropping Muric? on 08:58 - Dec 9 with 2485 views | ibbleobble |
| Dropping Muric? on 08:54 - Dec 9 by WeWereZombies |
Sánchez made a similar mistake yesterday for, I think, Kuleveski's goal but was even further away from the ball. It is part of an attacker's job to wrongfoot and deceive defenders and the keeper and on the occasion you quote Rashford did that, if not much else during the game, very well. I would be more critical of Davis and the centre of defence than Muric. |
There’s a bigger list of issues than just yesterday and United. Sanchez is a calamity too. | | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 09:04 - Dec 9 with 2454 views | DJR |
| Dropping Muric? on 08:22 - Dec 9 by BlueRaider |
Since Brentford, he had been really good, until the mistake yesterday, I think we have to stick with him, I don't think Walton is better unfortunately. |
The issue with Walton was his feet but I don't think he is as dangerous with his feet as Muric. And I think he is more agile because he is not as bulky.
Every time it comes back to Muric, I dread what he is going to do. Yesterday he played a couple of balls through the middle which conceded the ball and put us in danger. And his long balls just give away possession. |  | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 10:50 - Dec 9 with 2339 views | Ryorry |
| Dropping Muric? on 00:33 - Dec 9 by stonojnr |
you drop Muric, you destroy his confidence for the rest of the season. so then what ?
keepers are the last line of defence, sort out the rest of the team holding the ball up the pitch more first, then the defence & keeper arent having to dig us out of holes all the time. |
Agree re your second paragraph, but re the first - what do you think it’s doing to the confidence of all the outfield players who’ve fought like lions for 85 minutes to get and then hold a lead - only to then have that chucked away by the keeper having a calamity James moment? [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 11:00]
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| Dropping Muric? on 12:02 - Dec 9 with 2202 views | Blue_In_Boston |
Last season Walton missed the opening game and the shirt was Hlkady's for the season. Walton played well against Liverpool on the opening day and immediately dropped.
If I was Walton I would be asking what is the point of me being here? | | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 12:30 - Dec 9 with 2116 views | iamipswich |
He deserves to be dropped. Simple as. You can't try and be too clever and worry about confidence this, support that. His performances haven't been up to scratch and if he has the right mentality like every other squad member then he'll get his head down and fight for his place back.
The negatives far outweigh the positives. It's not as if his errors are from being overexposed. It's isolated, avoidable moments of terrible judgement and decision-making. |  |
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| Dropping Muric? on 12:34 - Dec 9 with 2098 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Dropping Muric? on 23:03 - Dec 8 by Bugs |
People always look through rose-tinted glasses to the past. Haladky made some mistakes last season playing out from the back that led to goals against us. There were more than a couple of goals, from shots, we coincided last season when many of us thought Haladky should have done better. At one point, every shot on target was going in. People forget about all that. If Muric was in goal at Norwich away last season, that free kick would have been most likely been saved.
Walton is no better with his feet than Muric, not as dominant for crosses, not as good at one on ones, and still susceptible to a major cock up (at a lower level of football).
Like it or not, Muric, is probably the best senior keeper we have at the club. Could he be better? Yes. Should we give him our full backing while playing for us? Also yes. |
Hladky gained us more points with match winning saves than he lost us. Starting with that last minute save at Sunderland on the first day of the season. Plus his playing from the back created a lot of our goals. I can't recall a keeper ever receiving a standing ovation from the whole of the North stand during a game like he received with that double save against Plymouth.
There was never a period last season where every shot on target was going in. You are confusing his first 5 game spell under Cook with last season. |  |
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| Dropping Muric? on 12:41 - Dec 9 with 2057 views | hype313 |
| Dropping Muric? on 12:34 - Dec 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Hladky gained us more points with match winning saves than he lost us. Starting with that last minute save at Sunderland on the first day of the season. Plus his playing from the back created a lot of our goals. I can't recall a keeper ever receiving a standing ovation from the whole of the North stand during a game like he received with that double save against Plymouth.
There was never a period last season where every shot on target was going in. You are confusing his first 5 game spell under Cook with last season. |
Muric's double save against Forest was outstanding, had we won that we would've been waxing lyrical in the same breath as Haldky's. |  |
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| Dropping Muric? on 12:42 - Dec 9 with 2048 views | hype313 |
| Dropping Muric? on 12:02 - Dec 9 by Blue_In_Boston |
Last season Walton missed the opening game and the shirt was Hlkady's for the season. Walton played well against Liverpool on the opening day and immediately dropped.
If I was Walton I would be asking what is the point of me being here? |
Well, he did sign a new contract, so couldn't be that upset. | |
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| Dropping Muric? on 12:53 - Dec 9 with 1993 views | George03 |
Agreed. At the end of the day Muric is a good keeper ability wise.His shot stopping and ability to claim crosses has helped take the pressure off the team in spell in games and contributed to us gaining point. His mistakes have come from poor decision making, which can easily be resolved over time.
I just don't see the reward being greater than the risk of switching him for Walton, who hasn't really played for 2 years and last full season being in League One. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 12:56]
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| Dropping Muric? on 12:54 - Dec 9 with 1984 views | BouncebackIpswich |
KM didn't mince his words in blaming Muric for the loss, he didn't name him but talked about an avoidable individual mistake. That's unlike him and shows he must be angry, I'd expect Muric to be dropped to the bench from now on. |  | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 15:09 - Dec 9 with 1792 views | DJR |
| Dropping Muric? on 12:53 - Dec 9 by George03 |
Agreed. At the end of the day Muric is a good keeper ability wise.His shot stopping and ability to claim crosses has helped take the pressure off the team in spell in games and contributed to us gaining point. His mistakes have come from poor decision making, which can easily be resolved over time.
I just don't see the reward being greater than the risk of switching him for Walton, who hasn't really played for 2 years and last full season being in League One. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 12:56]
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I think you are right to say point because the Brighton game is the only game I can think of where he earned us a point.
And his mistakes have not just come from poor decision making. They've also come from poor passing (Man City). In addition, the winner at Brentford, and, in my view, the Rashford goal were down to poor goalkeeping. I also don't think he is particularly good on a one to one situation (apart from Spurs) maybe because of his bulk which makes him a bit static. | | | |
| Dropping Muric? on 15:12 - Dec 9 with 1774 views | ibbleobble |
| Dropping Muric? on 12:53 - Dec 9 by George03 |
Agreed. At the end of the day Muric is a good keeper ability wise.His shot stopping and ability to claim crosses has helped take the pressure off the team in spell in games and contributed to us gaining point. His mistakes have come from poor decision making, which can easily be resolved over time.
I just don't see the reward being greater than the risk of switching him for Walton, who hasn't really played for 2 years and last full season being in League One. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 12:56]
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Do you remember ever not having confidence in Walton when he was playing? I certainly don’t, irrespective of level. Same again against Liverpool. | | | |
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