| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... 16:27 - Dec 9 with 13081 views | DarkBrandon |
... and the number of them means we are probably preventing thousands of more casual supporters coming along and enjoying the ride (and then becoming more active supporters of tomorrow).
Season ticket holders have:
* Their pick of the seat
* Every home game
* With their mates
* Priority on away tickets [Edit - apparently this isn't a thing]
* Get to resale the games they can't make
* All for a discount
Casual supporters have to
* Pay for a membership
* Scramble for the few remaining tickets, many of which are restricted view
* And pay a premium for each ticket.
Whilst many STHs have been attending games for many years, plenty haven't been, and I think the balance has moved too far.
I'd propose that each season ticket should entitle you to entry to 18 of the 19 home league games. Different STHs would miss different games (possibly decided randomly, possibly on a block-by-block basis) and this would free up ~1000 extra seats each game which could be balloted amongst all the people locked out of regular games.
I'm aware mightily p.ssing off your most loyal customers isn't recommended in most business textbooks
I'm also aware we might well go down, KM leave and we'll return to more normal levels of demand without the need for any of this.
[Post edited 9 Dec 2024 16:40]
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 15:52 - Dec 10 with 1720 views | mellowblue |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:35 - Dec 9 by SitfcB |
Pick of the seat?
Not in some cases when the last season tickets were sold, was a case of having to go where you could and the same for those that had to move before this season.
Priority on away tickets?
Nope, being a s/t holder doesn’t get you that these days, still have to pay £40 membership just as a non season ticket holder does. Some non season ticket holders are in the top bracket for away games.
All for discount?
Discount on what? [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 16:37]
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and those of us who were moved because of away fans/ press box certainly did not have the pick of the seats. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 15:54 - Dec 10 with 1712 views | mellowblue |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:54 - Dec 9 by bluelagos |
You should sit in the West stand. Half the old codgers can't get it up anymore so we get our BJ on a fortnightly basis. |
Have you not seen the viagra dispensers in the gents. Of course the old codgers can get it up. | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 15:56 - Dec 10 with 1699 views | north_stand77 |
I've been going 57 years- good and not so good
I purchased 2 season tickets probably 23 years ago, so am quite content that I've done my bit to support the club.
Had a nasty fall the day before the Palace game and contacted the club early Tuesday morning to put them up for sale. Unfortunately only one sold (even posted it on here). So they are definitely available if people keep trying I'm sure |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 15:58 - Dec 10 with 1697 views | mellowblue |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:43 - Dec 9 by DarkBrandon |
I didn’t want a ST in L1, and don’t want one now.
I’ve managed to get one single ticket for a home match so far this season, and every game has sold out as far as I’m aware.
I’m had a season ticket many years back, but it was never the case that doors were shut on thousands of fans except for the occasional game. As that is the case now, I think the balance changes.
I’m not saying I should be able to go to 5 games a season … but we will have loads of fans who won’t be paying £40 on the off-chance of getting a ticket and they have next to no chance. And even if you do pay the £40, you struggle to get in much. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 18:48]
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look on the bright side, you have missed a smelly pile of disappointment. | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:48 - Dec 10 with 1626 views | MK1 |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 20:53 - Dec 9 by DarkBrandon |
There are. Back row of the West Stand. Restricted view. They were there earlier. |
Really don't know why you started this thread. You don't want to be a season ticket holder, but want to watch games of your choosing, and on top of that, you want to chose your seat as well. To do that, you really need to be a season ticket holder, which you don't want to be. Add all the other contradictory things you have said, then I conclude that you really don't give a stuff if you get to watch Ipswich or not.
Like I say, really not sure why you started this thread. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:53 - Dec 10 with 1617 views | MK1 |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 15:56 - Dec 10 by north_stand77 |
I've been going 57 years- good and not so good
I purchased 2 season tickets probably 23 years ago, so am quite content that I've done my bit to support the club.
Had a nasty fall the day before the Palace game and contacted the club early Tuesday morning to put them up for sale. Unfortunately only one sold (even posted it on here). So they are definitely available if people keep trying I'm sure |
Palace probably wasn't a big enough draw for him. He only wants Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:58 - Dec 10 with 1611 views | peterleeblue |
I am sure people forking out £300 + to see oasis wont be lost on many premiership clubs CEO's.
Compared to that an ST is great value. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:59 - Dec 10 with 1572 views | football |
This hasn't landed well, has it?
Us season ticket holders get a seat, guaranteed ticket with people they know. It it is called investing in the club.
And you seriously want casual fans to have equal rights - head wobble
I wouldnt resale my tickets for info if I could not give them away | | | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 19:34 - Dec 10 with 1548 views | Churchman |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:58 - Dec 10 by peterleeblue |
I am sure people forking out £300 + to see oasis wont be lost on many premiership clubs CEO's.
Compared to that an ST is great value. |
Either that or the Oasis tickets are ridiculously overpriced.
I went to the NFL game at Wembley in October and the ticket was well over £100. It was over priced.
ITFC season tickets? When McCarthy and his predecessors were doing their best under awful Evans, I was paying over £500 to watch dross (I’m going by memory here - it’s a long time ago, but it was a lot) from the middle tier West Stand - to keep the old man company and to stop him being arrested..
To watch wobble cheeks Ebanks-Blake, ‘The Duke’ (of KFC) and I’ve a fat contract and I’m on the hoy Bullard stump about, let alone the apology of an invisible midfield, ball lumped everywhere felt like robbery. But we endured, as you do. In hope, not expectation.
Now it’s reversed. I’m in the stalls for the cheapest ticket but with a decent view and it’s a bargain. The moral of tale is that whether it’s a rip off or bargain depends on factors such as what you are seeing, whether you can afford it, how committed to going you are - put simply, whether you are prepared to pay it.
Personally I think match day pricing is quite expensive. Not as bad as say spurs that cost my mate and his son about £200, but I like the German model on pricing. The game is nothing without supporters so get them in as fairly and as many as you can. Particularly children. They are the future of the club. More capacity/facilities is needed, build it. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 20:17 - Dec 10 with 1513 views | J2BLUE |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:58 - Dec 10 by peterleeblue |
I am sure people forking out £300 + to see oasis wont be lost on many premiership clubs CEO's.
Compared to that an ST is great value. |
Not exactly an equal comparison is it? |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 20:26 - Dec 10 with 1499 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 15:56 - Dec 10 by north_stand77 |
I've been going 57 years- good and not so good
I purchased 2 season tickets probably 23 years ago, so am quite content that I've done my bit to support the club.
Had a nasty fall the day before the Palace game and contacted the club early Tuesday morning to put them up for sale. Unfortunately only one sold (even posted it on here). So they are definitely available if people keep trying I'm sure |
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
@OP: If the demand really is there in the manner you suggest, then bringing forward stadium increases would be better than screwing over loyal supporters for what could be short-term gains. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 20:26 - Dec 10 with 1499 views | tractorshark |
I have watched Ipswich since the early 80s but I'm not a season-ticket holder, mainly due to living in Sussex. But I don't agree with the OP on this.
Unfortunately it's the price of success but tickets are still available for most home games as a member. Sometimes you miss out, most times you're in with a shout.
Season-ticket holders certainly shouldn't be given one less game just to accommodate members like myself. They have invested their money and quite rightly deserve their guaranteed home ticket.
But, on a side note, the idea that season-ticket holders should be given more priority for away games is equally as daft. I've heard a few season-ticket holders say they don't get value for money for their membership because they can't get away tickets but that's the same for any non season-ticket holder on 14 points or less. And it will soon apply to 19 points.
However, you only had to go to six away games last season (and most games were readily available) to ensure you had away tickets this season. So whether you're a season-ticket holder or not, don't bleat or moan about missing out. It was in your hands and quite rightly those who went to away games regularly in the Championship should be rewarded. You can go back years to reward loyalty, I remember seeing us lose 5-0 at Port Vale with a New Year's Day hangover, but where do you draw the line?
Someone suggested here the other day that, next season, season-ticket holders should get a guarantee of one away game but why? There are 21,000 season-ticket holders and most away allocations are 3,000. That's seven games wiped out there and then. And we all know which games most people want to go and see.
A lot of people moan about not getting away tickets but the reality is they aren't interested in going to Leicester or Southampton, they just want to go to the likes of Arsenal, United and Liverpool. And if you think that's me being unfair, well, let's see what happens if we're relegated. There will be plenty of away tickets available then but I doubt we'll see huge demand to join me at Preston or Swansea.
Season-ticket holders have got a good deal right now and fair play to them. You are guaranteed a seat to watch the best football we've seen in 22 years. And it doesn't matter whether you signed up in the 70s or just joined in League One, you paid your money and quite rightly you now get to reap the rewards.
But it doesn't make you any more of a loyal fan than me or many other long-standing members. My youngest son and I have been to every game bar Brentford away and Leicester at home and yet I missed out on tickets for Chelsea. It happens.
The club had to make tough decisions on tickets this season and we may not agree with them all (it hasn't benefited my eldest son for instance) but I do think it's pretty fair right now. And it's certainly no different to most other Premier League clubs.
Everyone will want a system that suits them better, including the OP. But that's never going to be possible.
I don't begrudge season-ticket holders their home tickets right now, I envy them but I don't begrudge them. So please don't begrudge the non season-ticket holders like myself if we've racked up the relevant points to see our team away from home. I can assure you that's required a fair bit of investment as well. [Post edited 10 Dec 2024 20:44]
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 20:36 - Dec 10 with 1488 views | fistpumpfury |
Alternatively, invest in an app that gets you live coverage of every game? |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 21:13 - Dec 10 with 1454 views | north_stand77 |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 20:26 - Dec 10 by Kropotkin123 |
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
@OP: If the demand really is there in the manner you suggest, then bringing forward stadium increases would be better than screwing over loyal supporters for what could be short-term gains. |
Thank you, that's kind of you. Just wondering how I can negotiate the crowds outside the north stand before the Newcastle game while sporting a broken and pinned elbow wrapped neatly in a cast, without further injury.
.....maybe arrive in my seat 2 hours beforehand! | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 12:23 - Dec 11 with 1306 views | tractorshark |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 21:13 - Dec 10 by north_stand77 |
Thank you, that's kind of you. Just wondering how I can negotiate the crowds outside the north stand before the Newcastle game while sporting a broken and pinned elbow wrapped neatly in a cast, without further injury.
.....maybe arrive in my seat 2 hours beforehand! |
Sounds painful. My sympathies. It was crazy before the Palace game. There was a woman in a mobility scooter who couldn't get through and it just ended up with people almost getting mowed down by the thing!! | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 11:55 - Dec 20 with 1015 views | football |
I presume that you have managed to get your ticket this monning for the Rovers FACup game? No scramble necessary and loads of tickets available | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 12:23 - Dec 20 with 952 views | HighgateBlue |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 14:26 - Dec 10 by itfcjoe |
I think this is probably true to an extent, and isn't the ST holders fault, but there were too many STs sold of the back of the League 1 promotion - I'd heard club initially wanted to limit it to 21k, but it ended up nearer 22k. But most of these were sold before early bird deadline so when people could have been buying another L1 season ticket.
Lots of people have missed out, and STs had got to a stage when they were too cheap compared to matchday prices so I never understood why people just didn't get one and use when they can - I know plenty who retained them and were only making half the games because lived or worked away.
Now with resale platform, no one is going to chop in a ST - and if we go down, and don't bounce straight back up then we'll be back to the same hardy souls who have always had a ST, and they will earn the right to have too many benefits for when we do make it back to an in demand ticket!
Side note - what happens if a ST holder dies, if you have an elderly relative can you keep renewing it for them, or takeover the ticket so to speak? |
Yes I tend to agree. STs probably are too cheap compared with matchday prices, although it's always a fine balance. One has to remember it's a club and not solely a business run on principles of supply and demand, and therefore the needs of loyal fans should be uppermost. However, there should also be a recognition that too low a price creates an incentive to buy an ST (or renew one) and miss matches, when there are many fans who are equally loyal, passionate and longstanding who either didn't get an ST or live too far away for it make sense.
I don't manage to get tickets to many games, sadly, but it would greatly soften the blow to see the attendance figures genuinely equal sellouts, and too often they don't, which is very frustrating. We're never near the top of the 'percentage full' charts, when in reality we really should be.
I certainly don't have an attitude that ST holders have it too good. (1) Those who kept the club going through thick and thin deserve a lot of credit, and (2) these are Town fans - we should all, ST holders and non holders alike, instinctively be a collective who support the team and also each other. The flip side of that is that regular attenders shouldn't get sniffy about fans who don't or can't attend regularly and think that they're fairweather fans. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 13:03 - Dec 20 with 882 views | football |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 14:26 - Dec 10 by itfcjoe |
I think this is probably true to an extent, and isn't the ST holders fault, but there were too many STs sold of the back of the League 1 promotion - I'd heard club initially wanted to limit it to 21k, but it ended up nearer 22k. But most of these were sold before early bird deadline so when people could have been buying another L1 season ticket.
Lots of people have missed out, and STs had got to a stage when they were too cheap compared to matchday prices so I never understood why people just didn't get one and use when they can - I know plenty who retained them and were only making half the games because lived or worked away.
Now with resale platform, no one is going to chop in a ST - and if we go down, and don't bounce straight back up then we'll be back to the same hardy souls who have always had a ST, and they will earn the right to have too many benefits for when we do make it back to an in demand ticket!
Side note - what happens if a ST holder dies, if you have an elderly relative can you keep renewing it for them, or takeover the ticket so to speak? |
If someone dies or is a student away just keep renewing it and upgrade match by match. Know several people who do this as they get to keep the tickets for the games they want to go to or have mates who want to go | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 13:06 - Dec 20 with 866 views | football |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 12:23 - Dec 20 by HighgateBlue |
Yes I tend to agree. STs probably are too cheap compared with matchday prices, although it's always a fine balance. One has to remember it's a club and not solely a business run on principles of supply and demand, and therefore the needs of loyal fans should be uppermost. However, there should also be a recognition that too low a price creates an incentive to buy an ST (or renew one) and miss matches, when there are many fans who are equally loyal, passionate and longstanding who either didn't get an ST or live too far away for it make sense.
I don't manage to get tickets to many games, sadly, but it would greatly soften the blow to see the attendance figures genuinely equal sellouts, and too often they don't, which is very frustrating. We're never near the top of the 'percentage full' charts, when in reality we really should be.
I certainly don't have an attitude that ST holders have it too good. (1) Those who kept the club going through thick and thin deserve a lot of credit, and (2) these are Town fans - we should all, ST holders and non holders alike, instinctively be a collective who support the team and also each other. The flip side of that is that regular attenders shouldn't get sniffy about fans who don't or can't attend regularly and think that they're fairweather fans. |
My understanding is all games have sold out this season to home fans. The discrepancy may be away not selling or less press/players families which I believe are counted towards the figure. ST numbers are automatically assumed they have attended. | | | |
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