| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... 16:27 - Dec 9 with 12437 views | DarkBrandon |
... and the number of them means we are probably preventing thousands of more casual supporters coming along and enjoying the ride (and then becoming more active supporters of tomorrow).
Season ticket holders have:
* Their pick of the seat
* Every home game
* With their mates
* Priority on away tickets [Edit - apparently this isn't a thing]
* Get to resale the games they can't make
* All for a discount
Casual supporters have to
* Pay for a membership
* Scramble for the few remaining tickets, many of which are restricted view
* And pay a premium for each ticket.
Whilst many STHs have been attending games for many years, plenty haven't been, and I think the balance has moved too far.
I'd propose that each season ticket should entitle you to entry to 18 of the 19 home league games. Different STHs would miss different games (possibly decided randomly, possibly on a block-by-block basis) and this would free up ~1000 extra seats each game which could be balloted amongst all the people locked out of regular games.
I'm aware mightily p.ssing off your most loyal customers isn't recommended in most business textbooks
I'm also aware we might well go down, KM leave and we'll return to more normal levels of demand without the need for any of this.
[Post edited 9 Dec 2024 16:40]
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:05 - Dec 9 with 1528 views | DarkBrandon |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:58 - Dec 9 by Reuser_is_God |
Someone didn’t go when a crowd of 15k was consider “bumper” |
Oh I certainly did. Many games under John Duncan | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:09 - Dec 9 with 1508 views | Pinewoodblue |
Selling season tickets at a discounted price, compared to someone buying a ticket for every home gain worked for both season ticket holders and the club.
There was a time when the discount was lower than it is now, I can recall seasons where if you missed two games there was no financial incentive in having a season ticket.
There is currently a move towards Premier League clubs doing away with concessions for senior citizens & younger fans simply because they can fill stadia without the need to offer concessions.
I would rather see the discount on season tickets halved, especially now the club offer resale, rather than pushing up the price to selected age groups.
Looking ahead there is a good case to be put forward to increase the size of the family enclosure, it used to include three blocks in the upper tier of West stand. Presumably season ticket holder in family areas are allowed to remain in their current seat after they are no longer technically eligible to be thst area. This is blocking new season ticket sales in family areas. The price of success. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:09 - Dec 9 with 1505 views | peterleeblue |
 This will go well!! |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:09 - Dec 9 with 1498 views | Churchman |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:44 - Dec 9 by Swansea_Blue |
It sounds like the best solution would be a cull 
I think it's fair that ST holders get a lot of extra benefits, as they're the guaranteed crowd/income for the season ahead when times aren't so good. And if someone only recently got a ST when they were easy to get, the vast majority of those would have been joining only on the possibility of us getting into the PL. I don't begrudge them lucking out and getting PL football. It is what it is.
It's too late to get miffed about ST holders and/or waiting lists once we've hit the PL imo. It's always been like this and yes you're right that demand will fall off if/when we go down. |
There’s a natural cull anyway when people move away or become to infirm to go or pass away.
The benefits of a ST are guaranteed seat and a reduction in cost if you go to games or as now resell your ticket. That’s it.
I’ve been an ST holder on and off since 92 and all seat stadia. Not every season in the 90s (work) and not when we were in the L1 years (my dad started becoming unwell after my mum died). In our last season in L1 I bought one of the cheap ones in March 2003 for 2003/4 season because I missed going even though I’d be going on my own. I didn’t care what division we might be in - I just wanted to attend again regardless of when I could.
I totally lucked out. Pure and simple. It really isn’t payback for what went before but I did endure all of the McCarthy, Keane, Jewell without missing more than a handful of home games. Looking back, Magilton’s team was ok, as was Royle’s. GB obviously. Pre 92, I loved standing and just rocking up to a game. You cannot go back, but I miss that.
In terms of the OP, I get the sentiment. The solution ultimately is a larger ground. Not too large though. I’ve always said 33k. Ashton clearly thinks 40k but in the light of the past few seasons I’d settle for 35k with unrestricted views and better facilities. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:12 - Dec 9 with 1494 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I've had a season ticket for 30+ years, and I've been to hundreds of away games over those years but now can't go because of new fans... and you think I should give up some home games for some jonnie-come-latelies as well?
It's a no from me. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:14 - Dec 9 with 1484 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:12 - Dec 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've had a season ticket for 30+ years, and I've been to hundreds of away games over those years but now can't go because of new fans... and you think I should give up some home games for some jonnie-come-latelies as well?
It's a no from me. |
What's the evidence that the away fans are 'new fans'?
Could be long term fans like you. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:17 - Dec 9 with 1475 views | sjg |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:12 - Dec 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've had a season ticket for 30+ years, and I've been to hundreds of away games over those years but now can't go because of new fans... and you think I should give up some home games for some jonnie-come-latelies as well?
It's a no from me. |
Don't you think regular away fans should give up some of their games for jonnie-come-latelies like yourself? |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:24 - Dec 9 with 1454 views | jasondozzell |
You must be bloody joking. I didn't sit through the lean years, shivering with cold at some dreadful games but going out of loyalty to the team, turning out to support them even when we looked finished, finding myself saying things like 'if we can just get Judgey on the ball more I think we could turn it around' only to have someone say I couldn't go to a game from my season ticket now the club is back in good hands. |  | | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:36 - Dec 9 with 1405 views | homer_123 |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:58 - Dec 9 by textbackup |
This will be coming up at the next AGM |
Or not as the case maybe. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:45 - Dec 9 with 1383 views | RegencyBlue |
Having had a season ticket for more years than I care to remember, and sitting through years of dross served up by our previous owner, I disagree! |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:45 - Dec 9 with 1378 views | homer_123 |
Tell me you are a long term season ticket holder without telling me you are a long term season ticket holder.
I remember the days of not having to pay for Cup tickets...... | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:02 - Dec 9 with 1346 views | bluelagos |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:45 - Dec 9 by homer_123 |
Tell me you are a long term season ticket holder without telling me you are a long term season ticket holder.
I remember the days of not having to pay for Cup tickets...... |
The days when your first ST was a booklet rather than a credit card... |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:05 - Dec 9 with 1338 views | Churchman |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:24 - Dec 9 by jasondozzell |
You must be bloody joking. I didn't sit through the lean years, shivering with cold at some dreadful games but going out of loyalty to the team, turning out to support them even when we looked finished, finding myself saying things like 'if we can just get Judgey on the ball more I think we could turn it around' only to have someone say I couldn't go to a game from my season ticket now the club is back in good hands. |
Ahh, the holy trinity of Cole Hole (a dreadful pub in the Strand) Skuse, Mugless Douglas and Luke Hyam trying to keep that point a prisoner. Trudging back to the car after, hands deep in pockets, to listen to the Radio Suffolk dimwits followed by the hope McCarthy might say something interesting while we thawed out. Those were the days. | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:12 - Dec 9 with 1319 views | Stenvict |
Come on then, explain to us all what your situation has been over the past few years, which meant you didn't have a season ticket in the L1 years when they were easy to get.
If it's just the odd home game you want to go to, there's been plenty of games with available tickets this season. | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:12 - Dec 9 with 1316 views | jasondozzell |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:05 - Dec 9 by Churchman |
Ahh, the holy trinity of Cole Hole (a dreadful pub in the Strand) Skuse, Mugless Douglas and Luke Hyam trying to keep that point a prisoner. Trudging back to the car after, hands deep in pockets, to listen to the Radio Suffolk dimwits followed by the hope McCarthy might say something interesting while we thawed out. Those were the days. |
😁 They really were!
Crab footie | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:13 - Dec 9 with 1315 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:14 - Dec 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
What's the evidence that the away fans are 'new fans'?
Could be long term fans like you. |
The fact that it was easy to get away tickets and now it isn't? | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:14 - Dec 9 with 1314 views | backwaywhen |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:35 - Dec 9 by DarkBrandon |
I wonder how many of our current STHs were STHs under MM. One in four? |
The A140 is North of Clayton …..off you toddle there’s a good chap . | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:15 - Dec 9 with 1313 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 17:17 - Dec 9 by sjg |
Don't you think regular away fans should give up some of their games for jonnie-come-latelies like yourself? |
Where have I said that?
And also, in what way am I a jonnie-come-lately? Did you miss the 30+ years bit? | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:16 - Dec 9 with 1307 views | ReusersTown |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:32 - Dec 9 by bluelagos |
All sounds very fair.
But all the casual fans have to first sit through videos of the last 2 seasons of McCarthy's football.
They are not allowed to turn away, scream or die of boredom. |
I had that anyway without the season ticket and paid more for the privilage! lol | | | |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:25 - Dec 9 with 1276 views | Churchman |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:12 - Dec 9 by jasondozzell |
😁 They really were!
Crab footie |
Bit harsh on the little armour plated guys, but yep, crab football. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 18:26]
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:43 - Dec 9 with 1238 views | DarkBrandon |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:12 - Dec 9 by Stenvict |
Come on then, explain to us all what your situation has been over the past few years, which meant you didn't have a season ticket in the L1 years when they were easy to get.
If it's just the odd home game you want to go to, there's been plenty of games with available tickets this season. |
I didn’t want a ST in L1, and don’t want one now.
I’ve managed to get one single ticket for a home match so far this season, and every game has sold out as far as I’m aware.
I’m had a season ticket many years back, but it was never the case that doors were shut on thousands of fans except for the occasional game. As that is the case now, I think the balance changes.
I’m not saying I should be able to go to 5 games a season … but we will have loads of fans who won’t be paying £40 on the off-chance of getting a ticket and they have next to no chance. And even if you do pay the £40, you struggle to get in much. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 18:48]
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:46 - Dec 9 with 1227 views | Millsey |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 16:43 - Dec 9 by Dennyx4 |
My guess would be just over half of the current season ticket holders have been for 10+ years |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:46 - Dec 9 with 1228 views | MK1 |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:15 - Dec 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where have I said that?
And also, in what way am I a jonnie-come-lately? Did you miss the 30+ years bit? |
I've got almost double that. You are but a pup. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:48 - Dec 9 with 1211 views | MK1 |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:43 - Dec 9 by DarkBrandon |
I didn’t want a ST in L1, and don’t want one now.
I’ve managed to get one single ticket for a home match so far this season, and every game has sold out as far as I’m aware.
I’m had a season ticket many years back, but it was never the case that doors were shut on thousands of fans except for the occasional game. As that is the case now, I think the balance changes.
I’m not saying I should be able to go to 5 games a season … but we will have loads of fans who won’t be paying £40 on the off-chance of getting a ticket and they have next to no chance. And even if you do pay the £40, you struggle to get in much. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 18:48]
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You do know that we are in the Pl, right? | |
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| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:49 - Dec 9 with 1206 views | DarkBrandon |
| Unpopular opinion: Season Ticket Holders have it too good .... on 18:48 - Dec 9 by MK1 |
You do know that we are in the Pl, right? |
I am aware, yes | | | |
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