| We Aren't Improving 07:26 - Dec 22 with 4023 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
At the start of this season, I was positive about our chances of staying up. Not because I had blind faith, but because I was confident that if we could stay in touch then the new players would integrate, KMc would work his magic and we would improve throughout the season.
But it's just not happening. I know we've lost Axel and Hirst to injury which are big blows, but overall our performances since the Man Utd game have got worse.
Hopefully this post won't age well, but unfortunately I can see us being cut adrift by the end of January. |  | | |  |
| We Aren't Improving on 07:35 - Dec 22 with 3681 views | RIPbobby |
I think we are a lot weaker without our best x1/x2. You put Axel, Hirst and Delap in that team we are so much better. |  | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 08:51 - Dec 22 with 3502 views | Basuco |
Newcastle was always going to be a nil point game, they are a very good side, they have recruited well and spent big money to get those very good players. They have progressed a lot under the new ownership and we're totally different class to us, as will Arsenal and Chelsea. Yes we are improving with every game, but the quality of the top teams is way above us at the moment. |  | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 12:58 - Dec 22 with 3272 views | Eireannach_gorm |
Not so much not improving ( sorry about the double negative ) but not learning.by our mistakes. There have been signs of being able to cope with the top level but in the tight games we don't have the power, speed, skill of experience. Lots of mention of plan B on the forum and I think there is merit in this. I think there should be several plans depending on the opposition. Repeating the same plan and getting the same outcome is a bit mad. I am aware we are constrained by injury and just not having good enough players but I think there is scope for some pragmatism ( shudder ). |  | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 with 3174 views | Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. | |
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| We Aren't Improving on 13:30 - Dec 22 with 3158 views | pointofblue |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. |
Possibly. The only improvements I can see to our starting XI would be Cajuste for Luongo and Delap for Hirst, though the latter is a little harsh and they'd probably share the role if both available. Losing Tuanzebe and Hirst would still be hurting us in the second tier.
Yes, bring in the likes of Johnson, Phillips and Ogbene and it might be a different story. But I don't think the uptick on quality to the first XI, for now, is as wide as some seem to suggest. | |
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| We Aren't Improving on 13:36 - Dec 22 with 3122 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. |
Why does it? |  |
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| We Aren't Improving on 13:49 - Dec 22 with 3073 views | J2BLUE |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:36 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Why does it? |
Would likely be one of the favourites. Good base of a squad even if 1-2 leave. A first choice defence which would likely be the best in the division. Would potentially need to rebuild midfield and strikers though but we would have money.
Not many teams 'walk' the Championship though and doubt we would either. |  |
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| We Aren't Improving on 14:01 - Dec 22 with 3008 views | WinchBlue |
Not sure what you mean by ‘cut adrift’. There are 3 other teams in the same boat & another may be drawn into the relegation battle as happens from time to time. We’ve probably got the weakest team but the strongest manager. Hopefully reinforcements will arrive in January, but regardless of that I can see our survival fight going to the last games of the season. |  | | |
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| We Aren't Improving on 14:04 - Dec 22 with 2997 views | Simonds92 |
We are definitely improving. This team we currently have would run away with the Championship title imo. O'Shea, Burgess, Morsy, Chaplin, Delap, Tuanzabe, have all made noticeable improvements in their game since the start of the season. We were absolutely dreadful from the first minute yesterday, but that doesn't mean we aren't progressing. The really important thing is we start finding a way to win the games we are the better team in. Too many dropped points from games we've deserved to win but not been clinical. | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:16 - Dec 22 with 2928 views | mikeybloo88 |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:30 - Dec 22 by pointofblue |
Possibly. The only improvements I can see to our starting XI would be Cajuste for Luongo and Delap for Hirst, though the latter is a little harsh and they'd probably share the role if both available. Losing Tuanzebe and Hirst would still be hurting us in the second tier.
Yes, bring in the likes of Johnson, Phillips and Ogbene and it might be a different story. But I don't think the uptick on quality to the first XI, for now, is as wide as some seem to suggest. |
Delap is a significantly better player than Hirst. For me, at this level, George should be our number three striker and Liam should be battling it out, or even playing with, someone of his standard. SS is too lightweight to be a regular starter and should be a bench option. All in an ideal world which of course I know we don’t inhabit, but our lack of goals and threat is probably our biggest problem, yes even bigger than Muric |  | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:20 - Dec 22 with 2905 views | olimar |
I would say we improved a lot between the start of the season and the United game, but we have probably plateaud a bit since then, which is primarily (I think) down to the injuries in key positions limiting our options.
We struggled with that early in the season, but then the new signings got up to speed and that helped give those options off the bench which we dont have currently.
But if we get that depth again (and new signings might need to give that), we have seen that players like Chaplin, Clarke, Cajuste, Burgess have benefitted from this recent run of games too so that will make the depth better. | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:20 - Dec 22 with 2904 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. |
IMO we played better against Fulham, Villa, Leicester and Man Utd, than we have in our recent home games against Palace, Bournemouth and Newcastle.
So no, I don't think we've improved (certainly at home) since earlier in the season. | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:25 - Dec 22 with 2872 views | olimar |
| We Aren't Improving on 08:51 - Dec 22 by Basuco |
Newcastle was always going to be a nil point game, they are a very good side, they have recruited well and spent big money to get those very good players. They have progressed a lot under the new ownership and we're totally different class to us, as will Arsenal and Chelsea. Yes we are improving with every game, but the quality of the top teams is way above us at the moment. |
Feel thats a bit retrospective- coming into the game, Newcastle hadnt had a great season and had only won twice away from home
They had two recent good results against a Leicester team under new management and a heavily changed Brentford team.
Think most fans thought it was a good chance to pick up a point, maybe get a win if lucky. But not sure it was certain to be a defeat. | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:25 - Dec 22 with 2863 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:01 - Dec 22 by WinchBlue |
Not sure what you mean by ‘cut adrift’. There are 3 other teams in the same boat & another may be drawn into the relegation battle as happens from time to time. We’ve probably got the weakest team but the strongest manager. Hopefully reinforcements will arrive in January, but regardless of that I can see our survival fight going to the last games of the season. |
Because we've got 12 points from 17 games.
By the end of January I don't think we'll have many more points and will have played 23 games. | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:49 - Dec 22 with 2731 views | WinchBlue |
| We Aren't Improving on 14:25 - Dec 22 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
Because we've got 12 points from 17 games.
By the end of January I don't think we'll have many more points and will have played 23 games. |
Well we’re cut adrift from Liverpool & Arsenal but with Leicester, Wolves & Southampton where they are, I expect we’ll still be in the mix.
Interestingly we’re the team that’s improved most (at least in value of squad) if this site is to be believed!
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1 | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 15:50 - Dec 22 with 2555 views | Denny32 |
I'm a glass half full guy ..yes we are going to get beaten by the best sides, unless they have a very bad off day but if we get back our good players for most of second half of season and get in some, we will be playing teams that will have some injuries too ,plus we are a fit team as far as fit teams go ..so I'm not giving up.. | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 15:55 - Dec 22 with 2537 views | bournemouthblue |
| We Aren't Improving on 08:51 - Dec 22 by Basuco |
Newcastle was always going to be a nil point game, they are a very good side, they have recruited well and spent big money to get those very good players. They have progressed a lot under the new ownership and we're totally different class to us, as will Arsenal and Chelsea. Yes we are improving with every game, but the quality of the top teams is way above us at the moment. |
There's three tiers within the league, those with a realistic chance of top 6, those safe midtable sides, who should have a bit too much quality to go down and then the bottom 6 or so who are in a battle not to be in the bottom three
Newcastle are tier 1 you have to say and underperforming at the moment, I suspect they will end up towards the top 6 or 7 by the end of the season
Losing to Newcastle isn't going to define our season, we just have to learn from it ultimately |  |
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| We Aren't Improving on 16:25 - Dec 22 with 2445 views | itfc_statman |
We had a 5 game period where we saw genuine, stats backed and eye test evidence of improvement. But that was about 7 games ago now.
We have regressed to conceding far too many big chances per game again to the point reaching 20 points this season is a big ask without pretty big change. | | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 16:35 - Dec 22 with 2414 views | MK1 |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. |
Really don't think it would. If Davis is going to bolt forward for 80 minutes, then we will be picked off at Championship level as well. We need to be a lot smarter. |  |
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| We Aren't Improving on 18:28 - Dec 22 with 2274 views | bobbyramsey |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. |
If we end up back in the championship then half of "this" team won't even be here....
Or the manager. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 18:29]
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| We Aren't Improving on 18:37 - Dec 22 with 2222 views | tonybied |
| We Aren't Improving on 16:35 - Dec 22 by MK1 |
Really don't think it would. If Davis is going to bolt forward for 80 minutes, then we will be picked off at Championship level as well. We need to be a lot smarter. |
Isn't that literally what he did all last season in the championship and one of the reasons we got promoted? |  | | |
| We Aren't Improving on 18:39 - Dec 22 with 2208 views | textbackup |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. |
lol how many times have you seen teams say this, to then finish 10th! |  |
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| We Aren't Improving on 18:53 - Dec 22 with 2142 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| We Aren't Improving on 16:35 - Dec 22 by MK1 |
Really don't think it would. If Davis is going to bolt forward for 80 minutes, then we will be picked off at Championship level as well. We need to be a lot smarter. |
Did you watch Davis at all last season? All those assists from the edge of his own box? |  |
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| We Aren't Improving on 19:35 - Dec 22 with 1987 views | Nutkins_Return |
| We Aren't Improving on 16:35 - Dec 22 by MK1 |
Really don't think it would. If Davis is going to bolt forward for 80 minutes, then we will be picked off at Championship level as well. We need to be a lot smarter. |
We would. This team would be a lot better than the Burnley team.that walked it before. We won't if course have this team in the championship. Delap, Hutchinson and at least one of Greaves/O'Shea would go. Probably Axel as well. Cajuste And Phillips of course.
I'm just saying this team is much better than our. Hanp team that got 96 points in the most competitive champ in years. Our players from that league in many cases have physically stepped up as well.
Even with my first paragraph we will be taking a step forward whatever happens at the end of the season. Financially sound and better for the experience. We will need to rebuild a little with the outgoings but as a club we are going well.
McKenna may be out biggest issue to address at the end of the season as I believe this will be his last year with us. | |
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| We Aren't Improving on 21:47 - Dec 22 with 1788 views | DavoIPB |
| We Aren't Improving on 13:27 - Dec 22 by Nutkins_Return |
We played badly yesterday but you are off your rocker if you don't think we've improved. This team walks the championship. |
No sorry this team does not walk the championship. Our team is not changed much from last year and we were outplayed by the Southampton, Leicester and Leeds last year. We were very lucky to get points from them. | | | |
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