| Well said Sam Morsy. 07:47 - Jan 4 with 7761 views | Kieran_Knows |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:20 - Jan 4 with 1501 views | Churchman |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 10:33 - Jan 4 by ibbleobble |
It’s not anti-Muric. If you balance out my other posts you’ll see I’ve said I believe he has strong attributes but he’s a developing keeper and not the right solution. I’ve been pro-Walton ever since L1.
To label my objectivity as scapegoating when I have never said all our issues are Muric’s fault is incredibly limited fella. Walton in though and more power to it. [Post edited 4 Jan 10:38]
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You’ve been after Muric since his first game against Man City. One game. Aug 24th you blessed us with your ‘objectivity’ and started a thread titled ‘Muric’s mistakes today’ and have been relentless since. You even put the boot in before the Spurs game, which incidentally we won. Muric is clearly top of your scapegoat list.
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:21 - Jan 4 with 1496 views | SomethingBlue |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:19 - Jan 4 by DJR |
I'm not wholly sure Morsy was wise to bring attention to it in the manner he did.
Certainly, if I were Muric, I am not sure I would want to be the subject of the main story on TWTD because it brings even more attention to the issue.
Having said that, maybe this is something which has been sanctioned by the club and Muric. [Post edited 4 Jan 11:20]
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The question will have been asked at the pre-match presser – and from that point onwards Morsy has to defend his teammate. |  |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:25 - Jan 4 with 1466 views | ibbleobble |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:04 - Jan 4 by Mullet |
It sad our captain had had to say it at all, speaks volumes about the kind of “fans” we have constantly trying to drag things down. No matter how many times they’re told/shown to be wrong, still they persist. |
Wrong? If it were left to you, this club would still be under ME and MM rule languishing in the Championship in a derelict stadium with a dwindling fan base - that’s how wrong you have been.
And besides, you speak of wrong in the same breath when Muric has been dropped for his failings - let’s not pretend it’s just because of his niggling injury. So, while abuse should not be tolerated, criticism is part of the game and it’s been upheld in this instance. If there’s anything that’s wrong, it’s been your ego that’s never allowed you to be right. | | | |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:39 - Jan 4 with 1423 views | Whos_blue |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 10:32 - Jan 4 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Well said.
Unfortunately there will be plenty of idiot supporters who think they know better than our captain. Morsy sums it up perfectly.
These supporters on Muric’s back are part of the problem. Would rather see them dropped (from our fan base) than Muric. |
You think ibbsy is bad?
Have a read of some of the comments in the news section.
Deary me.
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:45 - Jan 4 with 1405 views | Whos_blue |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 10:34 - Jan 4 by ibbleobble |
That’s a valid concern, no? He looked petrified walking out that day. [Post edited 4 Jan 10:35]
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:46 - Jan 4 with 1404 views | billlm |
Was supportive indeed,
Muric and Walton have different attributes,
If combined would be the perfect goalkeeper,
For muric's best quality is his catching taking the pressure off for that he's very good,
Worst attribute slows it down way to much,
He will be back better stronger when he's called on,
I for one will be supportive when that happens, |  | | |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:53 - Jan 4 with 1384 views | Ryorry |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:19 - Jan 4 by DJR |
I'm not wholly sure Morsy was wise to bring attention to it in the manner he did.
Certainly, if I were Muric, I am not sure I would want to be the subject of the main story on TWTD because it brings even more attention to the issue.
Having said that, maybe this is something which has been sanctioned by the club and Muric. [Post edited 4 Jan 11:20]
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Tend to agree; though on the other hand he might get a lot of strength from knowing his teammates support him and that his captain’s willing to publicly say so. |  |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:57 - Jan 4 with 1373 views | BlueOura |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 10:00 - Jan 4 by ibbleobble |
That’s not what it’s all about though, you’re missing the point. Staying in this division is more important for the greater good of the community and the football club. A developing keeper isn’t the solution. Completely agree both keepers have different attributes but mistakes cost points and we can’t afford too many more.
I don’t see many scapegoating unless it’s on other channels. Lots of folks calling out the mistakes (me) are valid concerns, which have been addressed. Good for Sam to make a public statement for the good of the squad. Agree Muric will become an excellent keeper once he learns to cut out basic errors but not the right fit for this exact moment in time.
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So you think Walton is not going to make any mistakes then? I think history tells us that is not going to be the case as he has made howlers at a much lower level than this. Cheltenham away immediately springs to mind.
I have a lot of respect for Walton and will always support him but he is not quite PL level imho, Brighton also seemed to agree as he rarely got a look in there.
At some point I suspect Walton will make a mistake that leads to a goal, what then? will you turn on him as well? [Post edited 4 Jan 12:09]
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:58 - Jan 4 with 1372 views | Vic |
I made the mistake of looking at the comments section under that report. I really wish I hadn’t! Can’t believe that people read Sam’s comments and respond with yet further criticism of Muric. Unbelievable! |  |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:05 - Jan 4 with 1354 views | SitfcB |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:19 - Jan 4 by DJR |
I'm not wholly sure Morsy was wise to bring attention to it in the manner he did.
Certainly, if I were Muric, I am not sure I would want to be the subject of the main story on TWTD because it brings even more attention to the issue.
Having said that, maybe this is something which has been sanctioned by the club and Muric. [Post edited 4 Jan 11:20]
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What did you want him to say when questioned on it? |  |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:06 - Jan 4 with 1351 views | LankHenners |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 10:09 - Jan 4 by Kieran_Knows |
You know, I don’t particularly go along with everything Ashton says like some people do on here, because if he was chocolate he’d eat himself, but the one thing I do agree on is his mantra of ‘we’re in this better, together’.
That goes for everyone. Whether it’s Liam Delap not pressing the strikers from the first minute to 92nd, whether that’s the full backs letting their man get the better of them, or a central midfielder letting their opponent to run off them, or the keeper, who clearly being instructed to play the way he is, misplacing a pass and conceding a goal from it.
The amount of crap Muric has to put up with is some sort of a joke to be honest. Last week at Arsenal, he kicked the ball out of play, and some of the stuff that was lobbied at him was just disgusting. 4 days later, Walton kicks the ball directly to Chelsea’s right back, under no pressure at all (I think it was first half) and he was lauded as some sort of generational goalkeeper.
And as for the fans singing ‘we’ve had a shot’ away at Arsenal, when we’re clinging in the game hoping to nick one on the break was just outright absurd, and a good job that section was called out for it.
Not really sure what the point to my rant is, other than fans are idiots (and I’ll include myself in that at times). [Post edited 4 Jan 10:46]
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Walton gave the ball away as badly as Muric has done at one point in the 2nd half but because Chelsea messed up the gift of an opportunity no-one mentions it.
It's stupid - Morsy's bang on, it's like people are now waiting for any semblance of a mistake (regardless of whether it's completely on him or not) to start hurling abuse and dishing out criticism.
Walton had a good game on Monday but still had a few issues and his kicking wasn't great all the time, plus he wasn't really tested that much from a shot-stopping point of view, but after the game we get all this 'man of the match', 'best GK at the club', 'this is why he should have played before' hyperbolic nonsense. |  |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:10 - Jan 4 with 1310 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 09:39 - Jan 4 by SomethingBlue |
Yes - wonder if the idiots will listen to a senior player calling them out and clearly telling them they are working against the interests of ITFC. |
You just know, as the replies in this thread prove, that the people who need to hear this are the ones who absolutely will not. |  | | |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:13 - Jan 4 with 1280 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:06 - Jan 4 by LankHenners |
Walton gave the ball away as badly as Muric has done at one point in the 2nd half but because Chelsea messed up the gift of an opportunity no-one mentions it.
It's stupid - Morsy's bang on, it's like people are now waiting for any semblance of a mistake (regardless of whether it's completely on him or not) to start hurling abuse and dishing out criticism.
Walton had a good game on Monday but still had a few issues and his kicking wasn't great all the time, plus he wasn't really tested that much from a shot-stopping point of view, but after the game we get all this 'man of the match', 'best GK at the club', 'this is why he should have played before' hyperbolic nonsense. |
Of course, looking at the news comments there are some people who just couldn't wait for Muric to make a mistake so they could lay into him.
There's also clearly some people on this thread who it seems are almost as bad, already teeing up posts so they can later say they told you so about Walton.
It is a fact that Muric has the most errors leading to goals in the division, that is not scapegoating, it's a proven fact. If some people are trying to deny that they are deluded, these are just the facts of the matter. Does that mean everything he does is bad? No, but it does mean he makes a fair few errors and in a season where margins are tight, we do need to cut them out.
Those who are thinking Walton is a top Premier League keeper are also going over the top, as are those who called him man of the match, when he clearly wasn't as Delap was by a country mile. Also the coaches at the club are not stupid, they've picked both Hladky over him and when Hladky has gone signed another replacement. If they thought Walton was all that they wouldn't do so and Rene Gilmartin is no idiot.
I happen to think that neither of them are really good enough and it's a position that should we stay up, we should look to strengthen next season. Muric does some things better than Walton and Walton tends to be a bit more steadier. We ideally need a hybrid of the two and that's what I expect we will look out for. If we can get someone with Hladky's far better distribution even better, but considering where we are in the league, it's doubtful.
I also think Morsy should have played a straighter bat on this as well since he really can't be one to preach from moral high grounds following recent events. [Post edited 4 Jan 12:18]
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:14 - Jan 4 with 1276 views | DJR |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:05 - Jan 4 by SitfcB |
What did you want him to say when questioned on it? |
I think it was mainly the word scapegoat (amplified in the TWTD headline) which I had reservations about. [Post edited 4 Jan 12:15]
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:17 - Jan 4 with 1250 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:19 - Jan 4 by DJR |
I'm not wholly sure Morsy was wise to bring attention to it in the manner he did.
Certainly, if I were Muric, I am not sure I would want to be the subject of the main story on TWTD because it brings even more attention to the issue.
Having said that, maybe this is something which has been sanctioned by the club and Muric. [Post edited 4 Jan 11:20]
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It will 100% be sanctioned by the club, and IMO is a sad indictment of how some fans 'opinions' risk impacting player's confidence.
The Neanderthals on this forum (and in the stands) that are constantly saying their vocal criticism of some players has no impact on team spirit need to wake up, or GTFO of our club. | | | |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:17 - Jan 4 with 1239 views | ipswichtillidie |
Part of the game criticism I’m afraid. Always going to be people
Who publicly go over the top, it happens at every club. We are no different. Fair play to Morsy for sticking up for a teammate I wouldn’t expect anything else from a great captain. Doesn’t change the fact that Muric has been poor and is a complete liability in a position where calmness is essentially the main part of his job. He’s finally been dropped, something that was obviously going to happen at some point. Hopefully Walton can continue to step up. I heavily criticised Muric on here, wouldn’t do it at a game and bring that negative atmosphere but on a forum
I believe we all have the right as fans to have our say. It’s a game of opinions after all..
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:20 - Jan 4 with 1202 views | pointofblue |
I agree it's unfair but, when Muric first came into the team, some bristled because Walton had done nothing wrong against Liverpool, so expectations were raised that Muric would be a clear upgrade on him. He wasn't and that, coupled with the fee, has stirred up the feeling of being a scapegoat. O'Shea has gone through the same thing and I have to admit I still watch his play more forensically that I possibly should, though he has proved his worth. It's the same issue with Jack Clarke, especially now Broadhead is fit. If the former starts tomorrow, there's going to be a lot of focus on his impact.
There is understandably a lot of love overall for the players who have done so well over the past new seasons. Those coming in need to have an impact, or they're going to be scrutinised - not only Muric and Clarke but see also Johnson and Phillips. Szmodics is just about getting away with it because we haven't really made the most of his strengths to date. | |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:21 - Jan 4 with 1192 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:17 - Jan 4 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It will 100% be sanctioned by the club, and IMO is a sad indictment of how some fans 'opinions' risk impacting player's confidence.
The Neanderthals on this forum (and in the stands) that are constantly saying their vocal criticism of some players has no impact on team spirit need to wake up, or GTFO of our club. |
What gives you the right to tell anyone to get out of the club. Most ridiculous comment I’ve seen in a while. People are entitled to criticise who they like it’s part of the game. Get over yourself. | |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:31 - Jan 4 with 1138 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:21 - Jan 4 by ipswichtillidie |
What gives you the right to tell anyone to get out of the club. Most ridiculous comment I’ve seen in a while. People are entitled to criticise who they like it’s part of the game. Get over yourself. |
If you don't understand the difference between reasonable criticism compared to a witch-hunt, and hounding a player, it's a sad reflection on your moral compass. In the work place, much of what we see on this forum and elsewhere would be considered bullying, and not tolerated.
In the same way that I would call out bullying in the workplace, I have every right to call out bullying aimed at our players. | | | |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:31 - Jan 4 with 1140 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 11:58 - Jan 4 by Vic |
I made the mistake of looking at the comments section under that report. I really wish I hadn’t! Can’t believe that people read Sam’s comments and respond with yet further criticism of Muric. Unbelievable! |
Utterly depressing the state of it. I genuinely think Muric is being taken out of the firing line. It's clear now the dressing room and Muric are well aware of all the comments and of course that can have an effect on a keeper. He's largely been good but has made some mistakes (we are under the cosh in this division so it's going to happen the way we play).
The doubling down knowing this is so depressing. Morsy is right, Muric has contributed to points in this division with some of his performances (that goes unnoticed for some of the errors). Guy needs our support. There is a top keeper there and I look forward to him showing that at this club. | |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:31 - Jan 4 with 1134 views | Vic |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:17 - Jan 4 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It will 100% be sanctioned by the club, and IMO is a sad indictment of how some fans 'opinions' risk impacting player's confidence.
The Neanderthals on this forum (and in the stands) that are constantly saying their vocal criticism of some players has no impact on team spirit need to wake up, or GTFO of our club. |
I tend to agree with your sentiments, but have to accept that opinions are part of what following a team is about. So it’s fine to debate the merits and performance or otherwise a player, but to state an opinion as fact isn’t helpful and tends to derail discussions.
One of the repeated messages coming out of the club is about being humble and we fans need to remember that too. We’re supporters of the club, as such surely part of what we do is to help the team. Sam has identified that the comments and chants of some are not doing that.
Come on lads, let’s dial it down, get behind the manager and coaches and accept that whatever we think they probably know better! Yep, let’s give our opinions, but to be laying into players and each other doesn’t help things. We’re better than that!
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:43 - Jan 4 with 1086 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:31 - Jan 4 by Vic |
I tend to agree with your sentiments, but have to accept that opinions are part of what following a team is about. So it’s fine to debate the merits and performance or otherwise a player, but to state an opinion as fact isn’t helpful and tends to derail discussions.
One of the repeated messages coming out of the club is about being humble and we fans need to remember that too. We’re supporters of the club, as such surely part of what we do is to help the team. Sam has identified that the comments and chants of some are not doing that.
Come on lads, let’s dial it down, get behind the manager and coaches and accept that whatever we think they probably know better! Yep, let’s give our opinions, but to be laying into players and each other doesn’t help things. We’re better than that!
Here endeth todays lesson!! |
I agree with what you say - and I'm 100% for constructive debate, and reasonable criticism. In many cases that is not what we are seeing. What I object to is the witch-hunt and constant hounding of some players.
Hopefully your penultimate paragraph will resonate with more people - well said. | | | |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:55 - Jan 4 with 1025 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:31 - Jan 4 by SuffolkPunchFC |
If you don't understand the difference between reasonable criticism compared to a witch-hunt, and hounding a player, it's a sad reflection on your moral compass. In the work place, much of what we see on this forum and elsewhere would be considered bullying, and not tolerated.
In the same way that I would call out bullying in the workplace, I have every right to call out bullying aimed at our players. |
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| Well said Sam Morsy. on 13:00 - Jan 4 with 988 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 12:31 - Jan 4 by Vic |
I tend to agree with your sentiments, but have to accept that opinions are part of what following a team is about. So it’s fine to debate the merits and performance or otherwise a player, but to state an opinion as fact isn’t helpful and tends to derail discussions.
One of the repeated messages coming out of the club is about being humble and we fans need to remember that too. We’re supporters of the club, as such surely part of what we do is to help the team. Sam has identified that the comments and chants of some are not doing that.
Come on lads, let’s dial it down, get behind the manager and coaches and accept that whatever we think they probably know better! Yep, let’s give our opinions, but to be laying into players and each other doesn’t help things. We’re better than that!
Here endeth todays lesson!! |
Have there been chants? If so, I've missed them, and it's absolutely right that anyone responsible is called out for that sort of behaviour - but the support at games, where it matters most, has been fantastic.
To the degree that this is about comments online, this is all a bit weird. This isn't like past instances of a relentless campaign of individual criticism of one particular player for no apparent reason; every player in the squad has been subject to differing opinions, it's just that one in particular has made more costly individual mistakes in a season we can't afford to wait for him (or anyone) to learn from them. And even if every Town fan stopped making any comment accordingly (and if Twitter were to mercifully stop existing), that's not going to stop the media and pundits commenting on players' performance, as they always have, it's just what happens. I don't see anyone from the club telling off MotD for slating Davis' individual performance against Newcastle in front of the entire viewing public. | | | |
| Well said Sam Morsy. on 13:01 - Jan 4 with 974 views | stonojnr |
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