| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? 13:39 - Jan 11 with 18576 views | ITFC_Forever |
Or am I worrying about nothing? |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:29 - Jan 11 with 2597 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:25 - Jan 11 by Nutkins_Return |
Why do we need to accept that. I mean if it can be sorted by the Tuesday I can wait. 😂
I accept this is annoying though |
It wouldn't be the not signing Philogene specifically that would annoy me, it would be the days wasted on him again.
Anyway, we're probably all over thinking things. He'll be announced in good time (he says) |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:32 - Jan 11 with 2548 views | billlm |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:23 - Jan 11 by FrimleyBlue |
KM did seem really down about it.
I don't really understand why he doesn't feel comfortable saying yeah met jaden this morning for his medical. Looking forward to working with him. [Post edited 11 Jan 14:25]
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Same, fingers crossed, but I don't think he's coming, |  | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:35 - Jan 11 with 2520 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:20 - Jan 11 by FrimleyBlue |
I'd be bothered mainly because it has an effect on our business in the rest of the window or are we missing out on a player as we wait for philogene etc.
I'm an impatient sod anyway. But having medicals one morning and no transfer confirmation after is always a strange one and allows anything to happen in-between. |
Yeah that’s the issue. We’ll be kicking ourselves if it falls through again. We knew what they were like and, as you say, it will have wasted valuable time/energy that could have been better spent elsewhere.
We’ll see. It may all go through just fine. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:36 - Jan 11 with 2526 views | TheBoyBlue |
I suppose there is a hangover from our dealings with him and his agent in particular from the summer that is probably colouring my thoughts on this, but I don't have a great feeling about it.
However, Ashton & McKenna won't allow us to be messed about and so if there were such actual doubts then I imagine we would've pulled the plug on it by now. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:37 - Jan 11 with 2504 views | BrentwoodBlagger2 |
I think villa are taking the p155 as they only paid Hull £13m after their 30% sell on clause discount, they have only played him 11 times since signing him last July and now want £22m for him despite no goals and no assists, but one red card. Time will tell and I am sure he will be welcomed here if he signs. Kit man won't be happy if he opts to use his full surname of Philogene-Bidace across the back of his shirt... | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:38 - Jan 11 with 2488 views | Illinoisblue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:35 - Jan 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah that’s the issue. We’ll be kicking ourselves if it falls through again. We knew what they were like and, as you say, it will have wasted valuable time/energy that could have been better spent elsewhere.
We’ll see. It may all go through just fine. |
What’s that old saying? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice his agent’s a c**t. Something like that. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:38 - Jan 11 with 2498 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:35 - Jan 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah that’s the issue. We’ll be kicking ourselves if it falls through again. We knew what they were like and, as you say, it will have wasted valuable time/energy that could have been better spent elsewhere.
We’ll see. It may all go through just fine. |
They don’t just work on one deal at a time though. He’ll have been one of plenty of deals/clubs/agents/players they’ll be talking too.
I mean, without sounding stupid, what particularly has his agent done wrong? I know he touted him to pretty much anyone that listened in the summer, and was a bit of a twonk with regards to the whole Barcelona thing, but by all accounts Philogene had agreed a deal with us in the summer before Villa activated their clause, and he went there instead.
Probably something I’ve missed there, but hey ho. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:38 - Jan 11 with 2477 views | TractorWood |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:17 - Jan 11 by hammo56 |
Not bothered if it does fall through as feel we are paying over the odds for him. |
Agree Hammo, bud. Happy new year. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:39 - Jan 11 with 2466 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
Last we heard (I think) was Thursday when he was reported as being in town for his medical. After that the club statements ceased
His recent medical history has not been great. He's missed several games this season and was out for a total of three months last season with knee problems.
Maybe he hasn't satisfied our medical team of his fitness now and moving forward.
Might explain why Villa are keen to offload just six months after re-signing him.
We need to be patient. £20m+ is a lot for our club. We need to be sure that it is not being squandered on damaged goods. [Post edited 11 Jan 14:41]
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:41 - Jan 11 with 2412 views | ArnieM |
Is it linked to whether Villa get their target? |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:42 - Jan 11 with 2404 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:25 - Jan 11 by bsw72 |
Was always very unlikely to be available for Sunday as the medical was on Thurs and registration would have to have been all sorted Friday for weekend game.
I would imagine there is an element of financial details to work out across Villa and therefore Hull payments as he was only transferred in August, and that was a reasonably complex transaction due to the way that the calculations had to be done because of the sell on discount etc.
Add to that the fact that because he has not necessarily asked for the transfer but Villa have decided to sell he would likely be due any part of the Villa contract relating to annual bonus/loyalty payments, that is probably being negotiated.
I think everyone is always thinking the worst, but in reality it’s only been 4-5 days. [Post edited 11 Jan 14:28]
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If Hull have a percent of the sell on and villa clearly have a percent of the sell on from the last deal couldn't it be infinitely complicated?!
It's normally based on profit so hull might be due a chunk of the extra, do they get it above and beyond the 14 Million villa paid or the £18 million villa 'paid'. And either way Villa would be due back 30% of the chunk of the profit Hull would make, but that would mean villa made more and so would owe hull a chunk of that fee, then villa get a chunk of that fee, but hull needs their cut of that. On and on and on forever. |  | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:43 - Jan 11 with 2378 views | billlm |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:25 - Jan 11 by Nutkins_Return |
Why do we need to accept that. I mean if it can be sorted by the Tuesday I can wait. 😂
I accept this is annoying though |
Waste to much time on non productive deals, then panic at the end, some would prefer to wait some wouldn't just opinions, none are right or wrong, | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:50 - Jan 11 with 2270 views | cressi |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:39 - Jan 11 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Last we heard (I think) was Thursday when he was reported as being in town for his medical. After that the club statements ceased
His recent medical history has not been great. He's missed several games this season and was out for a total of three months last season with knee problems.
Maybe he hasn't satisfied our medical team of his fitness now and moving forward.
Might explain why Villa are keen to offload just six months after re-signing him.
We need to be patient. £20m+ is a lot for our club. We need to be sure that it is not being squandered on damaged goods. [Post edited 11 Jan 14:41]
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Like Camera or nearly Broja do you mean my view keep away from injury prone players we need them on the grass we have a couple now who are concerning we don't need more although harsh. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:50 - Jan 11 with 2257 views | orfordbuoy |
asking this question on Thursday resulted in down-arrows, the usual insults and bizarre explanations. Why do folk on here behave like this? |  | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:53 - Jan 11 with 2221 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:24 - Jan 11 by TractorWood |
He looks a great talent but can't say I'm that fussed. Would much rather have CM, Striker or CB enforcements.
Reminds me slightly of when McCarthy would moan about our squad and then only sign wingers. [Post edited 11 Jan 14:36]
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Szmodics, Chaplin, Hutch, Ogbene all out. That leaves Broadhead, Clarke, Burns really. Given mcKenna likes to rotate all 3 during a game i.e. after 60-70 like in the champ he would like to swap all 3 and of a quality to impact the game and get us a win. Philogene can play across all 3 positions so it's a really important signing for me and seems McKenna actually wants 2 not just 1 in for those roles. | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:55 - Jan 11 with 2190 views | hammo56 |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:38 - Jan 11 by TractorWood |
Agree Hammo, bud. Happy new year. |
Happy new year to you as well and hopefully Town will still be in the Premiership come the end of the season. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:55 - Jan 11 with 2188 views | SitfcB |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:39 - Jan 11 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Last we heard (I think) was Thursday when he was reported as being in town for his medical. After that the club statements ceased
His recent medical history has not been great. He's missed several games this season and was out for a total of three months last season with knee problems.
Maybe he hasn't satisfied our medical team of his fitness now and moving forward.
Might explain why Villa are keen to offload just six months after re-signing him.
We need to be patient. £20m+ is a lot for our club. We need to be sure that it is not being squandered on damaged goods. [Post edited 11 Jan 14:41]
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He passed the medical.
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:56 - Jan 11 with 2171 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:38 - Jan 11 by Kieran_Knows |
They don’t just work on one deal at a time though. He’ll have been one of plenty of deals/clubs/agents/players they’ll be talking too.
I mean, without sounding stupid, what particularly has his agent done wrong? I know he touted him to pretty much anyone that listened in the summer, and was a bit of a twonk with regards to the whole Barcelona thing, but by all accounts Philogene had agreed a deal with us in the summer before Villa activated their clause, and he went there instead.
Probably something I’ve missed there, but hey ho. |
I know, but if it falls through again it will have been wasted time irrespective of other irons in the fire. I’m sure Aston has got plenty of other stuff to be getting on with.
From what I can tell his agent has a history of aggressive touting despite advance discussions elsewhere. It may not be exactly wrong, but a bit like house gazumping - it annoys people and makes you look like an a-hole. I’m not privy to the dels though obviously, so I could be wrong.
As others have said, the problematic the summer will be clouding judgement on this. I don’t feel especially strongly about it - just have a worrying jiggle at the back of my mind that we could be repeating the experience we had on the summer. | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:57 - Jan 11 with 2160 views | bluestandard |
Is it just me, or does anyone else remember how it took an age for Villa to complete the signing the first time around, many days after it had become clear that JP had chosen Villa over us? I remember thinking at the time that maybe he might yet have changed his mind…….then the switch to Villa concluded. My guess is that there is something fairly mundane in the background which is specific to JP that has delayed things both times. No idea what it could be though…… | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:59 - Jan 11 with 2111 views | TractorWood |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:53 - Jan 11 by Nutkins_Return |
Szmodics, Chaplin, Hutch, Ogbene all out. That leaves Broadhead, Clarke, Burns really. Given mcKenna likes to rotate all 3 during a game i.e. after 60-70 like in the champ he would like to swap all 3 and of a quality to impact the game and get us a win. Philogene can play across all 3 positions so it's a really important signing for me and seems McKenna actually wants 2 not just 1 in for those roles. |
I'd push Leif forwards and get some defenive cover. He has created the most opportunities or random stat this season and is increasingly exposed due to his attacking tendencies.
Fulham draw was not due to lack of attacking options. | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:13 - Jan 11 with 1988 views | fallyblue |
I think it maybe Villa, the replacement isn’t going too smooth, so I think they are holding on until that is sorted | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:16 - Jan 11 with 1944 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
If he has doubts about being here, doesn’t buy into ‘the project’ then we are probably better off without him. We’ve got a great bunch of characters that are up for the fight (which S’hampton and Leicester don’t seem to have). It’s our leveller and why we are competitive despite back to back promotions.
That said it could just be his agent so can’t really cast aspersions. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:18 - Jan 11 with 1911 views | Vic |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:50 - Jan 11 by orfordbuoy |
asking this question on Thursday resulted in down-arrows, the usual insults and bizarre explanations. Why do folk on here behave like this? |
Because it was too early to ask the question maybe? |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:20 - Jan 11 with 1885 views | TractorWood |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:16 - Jan 11 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
If he has doubts about being here, doesn’t buy into ‘the project’ then we are probably better off without him. We’ve got a great bunch of characters that are up for the fight (which S’hampton and Leicester don’t seem to have). It’s our leveller and why we are competitive despite back to back promotions.
That said it could just be his agent so can’t really cast aspersions. |
I still can't really work out why someone with a new contract at a club seemingly going places in the league, champions league and FA cup would move to relegation scrap Ipswich.
He'll definitely get chances at Villa if he stays. | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:22 - Jan 11 with 1862 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:20 - Jan 11 by TractorWood |
I still can't really work out why someone with a new contract at a club seemingly going places in the league, champions league and FA cup would move to relegation scrap Ipswich.
He'll definitely get chances at Villa if he stays. |
They’re buying Donyell Malen who plays out wide (and up top) and are also signing another player from France who plays similar positions - albeit he’s not joining until the summer. | |
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