| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? 13:39 - Jan 11 with 18579 views | ITFC_Forever |
Or am I worrying about nothing? |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:25 - Jan 11 with 3660 views | ITFC_Forever |
Come on Phil, put us out of our misery!
What’s the latest? | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:32 - Jan 11 with 3574 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:20 - Jan 11 by TractorWood |
I still can't really work out why someone with a new contract at a club seemingly going places in the league, champions league and FA cup would move to relegation scrap Ipswich.
He'll definitely get chances at Villa if he stays. |
As well as wanting to get good coaching, players want to play regularly. KMcK is Town's greatest asset in terms of attracting young talent and giving them a stage where they can showcase their skills. 12 months ago Delap was someone City were happy to offload, now they are back on his list of suiters. |  | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:33 - Jan 11 with 3541 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:38 - Jan 11 by Kieran_Knows |
They don’t just work on one deal at a time though. He’ll have been one of plenty of deals/clubs/agents/players they’ll be talking too.
I mean, without sounding stupid, what particularly has his agent done wrong? I know he touted him to pretty much anyone that listened in the summer, and was a bit of a twonk with regards to the whole Barcelona thing, but by all accounts Philogene had agreed a deal with us in the summer before Villa activated their clause, and he went there instead.
Probably something I’ve missed there, but hey ho. |
Of course you don't work on one deal at a time
However, it helps to know what you are spending when trying to complete other deals doesn't it? IF we're looking at Doaks for example and we've offered £18 mill and feel we can't go any further as we're spending £21 on Philogene, then IF Philogene doesn't happen, we COULD have offered £20 for Doaks for example.
I was told in the summer that KM's contract talks had no effect on transfers, whilst we waiting for his decision.. Ashton then confirmed it did.
Sitting on a potential signing absolutely slows things down whilst you wait for it to complete as it has a massive effect on what your next move is, financially or positionally. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:35 - Jan 11 with 3532 views | Mullet |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:20 - Jan 11 by TractorWood |
I still can't really work out why someone with a new contract at a club seemingly going places in the league, champions league and FA cup would move to relegation scrap Ipswich.
He'll definitely get chances at Villa if he stays. |
Another PSR move by Villa. Seems to me they only bought him knowing they could make this sort of easy money and have made use of him in the interim. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:38 - Jan 11 with 3480 views | TractorWood |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:35 - Jan 11 by Mullet |
Another PSR move by Villa. Seems to me they only bought him knowing they could make this sort of easy money and have made use of him in the interim. |
Emery's comments seem to support this.
Whole thing strikes me as very odd. As a few have said though hopefully he comes here and does great. Then it's nae bother. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:44 - Jan 11 with 3406 views | Smoresy |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:20 - Jan 11 by TractorWood |
I still can't really work out why someone with a new contract at a club seemingly going places in the league, champions league and FA cup would move to relegation scrap Ipswich.
He'll definitely get chances at Villa if he stays. |
Moving Philogene on is a late Xmas present for most Villa fans, even moreso for the money being discussed. Hopefully we have the last laugh, but I can't see where his chances would come from if he stays there - they took him out of the team in early December and are now hunting for 'better' (to their minds).
He needs a move as much as we need another RW option. |  | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:52 - Jan 11 with 3320 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:50 - Jan 11 by orfordbuoy |
asking this question on Thursday resulted in down-arrows, the usual insults and bizarre explanations. Why do folk on here behave like this? |
It's human nature. Most people don't generally like the discomfort of believing something that others are questioning, they internalise it as an attack on their ability to reason so there are three ways to deal with it:
1) Attack. Ask for evidence or accuse the person of irrational worry and spreading misinformation.
2) Say nothing, see what transpires and ridicule (or grudgingly acknowledge they were right) later on.
3) Let it go, see what happens and remain emotionless because in the grand scheme of things it has feck all importance to life anyway. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:05 - Jan 11 with 3197 views | HighgateBlue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 13:42 - Jan 11 by Trequartista |
I would guess it is in doubt now if nothing's happened for 48 hours.
Presumably over clauses such as matching rights and sell-ons etc.
Wish they'd sort them out first before the player does the medical. |
Villa asking for matching rights would be hilarious - how many more times do they want to buy this guy and sell him on?! |  | | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:09 - Jan 11 with 3153 views | Pinewoodblue |
Extra paperwork is a meaningless statement.
Whatever the reason is it is something no one wants to be first to talk about. Suspect there are clauses the agent wants inserted that are unacceptable to Ashton. For example the agent might want unlimited access to the player at anytime. Including Portman Road and training ground.
Might explain Villa Managers unusual statement. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:11 - Jan 11 with 3129 views | billlm |
For me if he's pictured at the ground tomorrow he's our player if he's not there he isn't coming, |  | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:15 - Jan 11 with 3081 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 15:25 - Jan 11 by ITFC_Forever |
Come on Phil, put us out of our misery!
What’s the latest? |
Phil's got a late 'there's nothing in it' twist. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:16 - Jan 11 with 3048 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:15 - Jan 11 by gainsboroughblue |
Phil's got a late 'there's nothing in it' twist. |
Really weird there's 0 mentions from any local journos. | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:23 - Jan 11 with 2986 views | gramps |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:09 - Jan 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Extra paperwork is a meaningless statement.
Whatever the reason is it is something no one wants to be first to talk about. Suspect there are clauses the agent wants inserted that are unacceptable to Ashton. For example the agent might want unlimited access to the player at anytime. Including Portman Road and training ground.
Might explain Villa Managers unusual statement. |
Surely players terms, salary and add ons etc would all be sorted before medicals - not afterwards! Also comment from Emery was interesting, Especially the last line.
Aston Villa manager Unai Emery has explained why he has agreed to sell forward Jaden Philogene to the Blues only six months after re-signing the 22-year-old from Hull City.
“I explained it, I believe in Jaden Philogene, but we are, of course, always trying to get the best for the club, for the squad, the team and the players,” he said. “If he is leaving, it is because it is good for those three options.” |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:52 - Jan 11 with 2785 views | Blue_Heath |
His agent is a prize wotsit, so at the moment I remain unconvinced. Even if he does his agent will want another move within a year to bag another fee and raise his profile. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:56 - Jan 11 with 2752 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:23 - Jan 11 by gramps |
Surely players terms, salary and add ons etc would all be sorted before medicals - not afterwards! Also comment from Emery was interesting, Especially the last line.
Aston Villa manager Unai Emery has explained why he has agreed to sell forward Jaden Philogene to the Blues only six months after re-signing the 22-year-old from Hull City.
“I explained it, I believe in Jaden Philogene, but we are, of course, always trying to get the best for the club, for the squad, the team and the players,” he said. “If he is leaving, it is because it is good for those three options.” |
Have you never been placed in a position where an unexpected item appears in a contract as you are about to sign it.
Years ago was about to sign a contract to purchase a house. Found a map of the property anming the anppendices which looked different, there was a dotted line across the front garden that hadn’t been mentioned previously. Turned out the land between the dotted line and the highway was owned by the local authority as there were utility pipelines/ cables across the property. Delayed signing for 24 hours much to the annoyance of the seller and their solicitors. They came back with an offer to accept a lower amount. My solicitor also reduced his fee for not picking up on it.
Not everything gets sorted out in advance.
With the club spending £20m+ they aren’t going to want anything in the contract that might cause friction , or complications. | |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:59 - Jan 11 with 2714 views | Help |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:39 - Jan 11 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Last we heard (I think) was Thursday when he was reported as being in town for his medical. After that the club statements ceased
His recent medical history has not been great. He's missed several games this season and was out for a total of three months last season with knee problems.
Maybe he hasn't satisfied our medical team of his fitness now and moving forward.
Might explain why Villa are keen to offload just six months after re-signing him.
We need to be patient. £20m+ is a lot for our club. We need to be sure that it is not being squandered on damaged goods. [Post edited 11 Jan 14:41]
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I dont think the medical is a problem, unlike Broja others things are amiss |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:59 - Jan 11 with 2715 views | PositivelyPortman |
My (hopeful) guess is that he’ll be announced either before or after tomorrow’s game.
Who knows? |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:00 - Jan 11 with 2690 views | Smoresy |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:23 - Jan 11 by gramps |
Surely players terms, salary and add ons etc would all be sorted before medicals - not afterwards! Also comment from Emery was interesting, Especially the last line.
Aston Villa manager Unai Emery has explained why he has agreed to sell forward Jaden Philogene to the Blues only six months after re-signing the 22-year-old from Hull City.
“I explained it, I believe in Jaden Philogene, but we are, of course, always trying to get the best for the club, for the squad, the team and the players,” he said. “If he is leaving, it is because it is good for those three options.” |
See how his comments may be interpreted that way but I read them as Emery being diplomatic, rather than code for Philogene or his entourage being trouble. It's good for the club if his sale generates a nice profit, good for the team if that helps them buy someone better or more ready what Villa need now, and good for the player if he wants to move on. If this was a 'bad egg' situation then fans would have got wind of it by now, especially for an academy kid.
His agent seems to have earned his reputation for being a whopper though, so I wouldn't bet against the hold-up being him spam calling half of Europe in the hope of another offer. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:05 - Jan 11 with 2620 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:55 - Jan 11 by SitfcB |
He passed the medical.
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Thanks for clarifying that for me 👍 |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:39 - Jan 11 with 2256 views | Illinoisblue |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 16:16 - Jan 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Really weird there's 0 mentions from any local journos. |
Ashton’s got them on a tight leash. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:53 - Jan 11 with 2081 views | Guthrum |
He hates the Billy Jean songs and is having to be sweet-talked by Ashton and McKenna after last week's outbreak. |  |
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| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:57 - Jan 11 with 2012 views | Blooos |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 14:50 - Jan 11 by orfordbuoy |
asking this question on Thursday resulted in down-arrows, the usual insults and bizarre explanations. Why do folk on here behave like this? |
Some people only want sunshine and rainbows on here, never think anything can be slightly negative. Fact of the matter is something is clearly not right as he passed a medical over 2 days ago. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:58 - Jan 11 with 2006 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:57 - Jan 11 by Blooos |
Some people only want sunshine and rainbows on here, never think anything can be slightly negative. Fact of the matter is something is clearly not right as he passed a medical over 2 days ago. |
Fact of the matter is that we have no idea why and some of the speculation is absurd. | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:59 - Jan 11 with 1979 views | Blooos |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:58 - Jan 11 by redrickstuhaart |
Fact of the matter is that we have no idea why and some of the speculation is absurd. |
That’s what a forum is for no? We not allowed to talk about it? | | | |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 18:08 - Jan 11 with 1853 views | NeedhamChris |
| Anyone got a feeling the Philogene signing isn’t going to happen? on 17:39 - Jan 11 by Illinoisblue |
Ashton’s got them on a tight leash. |
Phil's probably had a yellow card for confirming this one to us already. | |
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