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I'm refusing to believe it's over 08:04 - Feb 2 with 4808 views

Yeah, it's pretty bleak right now but I'm not going to start saying our fate is sealed just yet or that's it's the fault of the recruitment or the manager etc.

Last year on 3rd Feb we lost away at Preston and were seeing automatic promotion slip away from us. Many were even resigned to facing Norwich in the play offs

The season before on 21st Jan we lost away at Oxford and Barnsley were hunting us down as we slipped further behind Plymouth and Wednesday

These feel like darker times because the performances have been poor, but it's not beyond this side and McKenna to turn it around. We've done amazing things before and we can do them again. And let's be honest if we go down we're still in a far better position than any one of us could have imagined less than 3 years ago.

This isn't a call to back the players, but more my own take on why I'm not angry. I guess I'm somewhere between realism, as I never expected much more than what we're currently seeing, and hope because we've seen McKenna turn things around before

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 13:40 - Feb 2 with 1087 views

cressi

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 11:12 - Feb 2 by pointofblue
I don't think McKenna was that brilliant at changing tack last year. He didn't need to be. He just made like for like subs and more often than not, they worked. This year they're not due to the difference in quality.

I agree 4 of us go together via car we did in league one. We have conversations and I've never believed McKenna is God like some on here who don't wish to hear it.
League 1 I believe with the American money a decent manager would have got us up remember Plymouth won the title. Last year our momentum got us up. This Yr we have bought poorly and McKenna is the same as always like for like substitutions no system changes the next 9 months will be interesting if he is still here. Will we be a Burnley, Sheffield United or a Luton if we go down

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 13:45 - Feb 2 with 1066 views

TheBoyBlue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 10:20 - Feb 2 by Blue_Heath
Wolves will beat us comfortably and to be honest will be 10 points clear of us by then.

I fear you're right.

Although on the basis of yesterday we're not capable of beating anyone in this division I'm sure that won't be the case. Or I hope at least! I can see us maybe get another surprise win or two, but then probably lose to Wolves and Leicester with a couple of lacklustre displays.

Either way, I can't see how the heck we're going to get enough points if we can't even get more than a point against Southampton in two games.

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 14:54 - Feb 2 with 1003 views

IPSWICH1078

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 11:24 - Feb 2 by Bluebell

I always said we should have had another year in the Championship to enjoy the games, attract players who were up for the challenge, and support the team through thick and thin.

This season I hate seeing us beaten all the time. So much so that my son used my ticket yesterday (although it was because I thought he would see us win for once).

I am told there were boos after the game yesterday too! That did shock me.

There were a few boos. On MOTD it sounded much much worse than it was.

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:00 - Feb 2 with 997 views

ITFCSG

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 13:40 - Feb 2 by cressi

Saints, the worst ever Prem team in history with 1 win and 57 conceded so far. Its a de facto top half Champ side and we lost to them at home.

Would you be confident our current team will beat the top 6 Champ sides now, especially Leeds, Sheff Utd, Burnley etc.? I am not. Play like last night and I bet we'd lose.

Remember, for every straight back up Newcastle, Leicester, Fulham, Villa theres also the Cardiff, Hulls, Boros, Swanseas, WBAs, etc who were all Prem sides not too long ago.

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:02 - Feb 2 with 981 views

Nthsuffolkblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 12:25 - Feb 2 by pointofblue
The edited part is the most annoying. How can we have had the same issue three years in a row without learning from it?

Because it isn't as simple as going and signing Latte Lath/Bishop/A N Other to find he is no better than Al Hamadi. And then the few we know are likely to be good enough are being chased by West Ham, Villa, etc after they lost their players.

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:07 - Feb 2 with 966 views

Nthsuffolkblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 13:40 - Feb 2 by cressi

I doubt many managers could have turned us around as quickly as McKenna has. He has got us competing for staying in the Premier League from a position that managers like Cook and Lambert couldn't even get us in the play offs in League 1.

You might describe recognising that as a remarkable achievement as treating him as Godlike. I describe it as recognising a good thing when you've got it.

What makes you believe we ought to be better than Leicester and Wolves. Or to put it another way, on a par with Spurs, Everton and Man Utd?

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:10 - Feb 2 with 948 views

Nthsuffolkblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 13:45 - Feb 2 by TheBoyBlue

On the flip side we have beaten Tottenham, Wolves and Chelsea. We have taken 15 points off teams above us in the league. After a rest, Hirst fully fit, is there any reason we can't get another 15 points from those ahead of us? Might 31 be enough this season? Could we even get more than that?

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:16 - Feb 2 with 929 views

Nthsuffolkblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:00 - Feb 2 by ITFCSG

For every straight back up side, you missed out Man City who got a double promotion and had to go back down to move forward.

I would certainly take that outcome.

I really don't get the entitlement that sees fans thinking we should be beating Premier League teams when we struggled to beat the likes of Charlton, Cheltenham, Fleetwood, Cambridge, Lincoln and Bristol Rovers only 2 years ago or even more recently than that.

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:23 - Feb 2 with 887 views

Swansea_Blue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:00 - Feb 2 by ITFCSG

The worst points tally so far ever. That’s not the same as worst team ever. They’re considerably better than Sheffield Utd last season, for example?

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:25 - Feb 2 with 878 views

ITFCSG

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:10 - Feb 2 by Nthsuffolkblue
On the flip side we have beaten Tottenham, Wolves and Chelsea. We have taken 15 points off teams above us in the league. After a rest, Hirst fully fit, is there any reason we can't get another 15 points from those ahead of us? Might 31 be enough this season? Could we even get more than that?

Yes, but the squad mentality needs to change - fast. We have been playing much more poorly over the past 5 games than at the start of the season. More of the sideways and backwards passing and we will tippy tap all the way down to the Championship.

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:25 - Feb 2 with 877 views

ITFCSG

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:16 - Feb 2 by Nthsuffolkblue

Unless we get some rich Middle East or Chinese to take over Gamechanger and flout every financial rule then I think doing a Man City is close to impossible in the current circumstance.

I don't expect us to beat all the Prem teams, or even win many games. But what I want to see is pride and passion and effort from the players, something you don't see too often this season and especially over the past couple of games. If we tried and failed to win it is fine. If we are simply outclassed and blown away by the likes of Liverpool and City I am fine with it as well. BUT games like the 2nd half yesterday, Everton, Palace at home are inexcusable. Players going through the motions with clueless passing and running down cul-de-sacs. Worst of all, a kamikaze goalkeeper who gifts the opposition goals galore.

Play like last night and we'd struggle to beat League One teams as well.

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:25 - Feb 2 with 873 views

ITFCSG

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:23 - Feb 2 by Swansea_Blue
The worst points tally so far ever. That’s not the same as worst team ever. They’re considerably better than Sheffield Utd last season, for example?

Maybe, maybe not. We'll find out at the end of the season.

We have contributed greatly to their points total though, if they don't beat Derby's record they should thank us for our generosity.

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:27 - Feb 2 with 861 views

Nthsuffolkblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:23 - Feb 2 by Swansea_Blue
The worst points tally so far ever. That’s not the same as worst team ever. They’re considerably better than Sheffield Utd last season, for example?

With 14 matches left Derby had 8 points in that season so the lowest points tally so far ever isn't even true.

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:29 - Feb 2 with 851 views

Reuser_is_God

Of course it’s not over.

It’s just extremely deflating.

We’re 3 points off 17th with 14 games to play, we are far from needing a miracle.

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Ryorry

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:25 - Feb 2 by ITFCSG
Yes, but the squad mentality needs to change - fast. We have been playing much more poorly over the past 5 games than at the start of the season. More of the sideways and backwards passing and we will tippy tap all the way down to the Championship.

So far, comments from people at PR yesterday have included -

Muric not communicating with the rest of the team, ever, during play.

Morsy & other team members yesterday shouting at Muric & pointing to where they wanted the ball played to.

Someone mentioning that on Instagram, unlike all other squad members, Muric is followed by few of his team-mates.

Sounds like a possible fracture within the dressing room & team spirit damage?


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Nthsuffolkblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:35 - Feb 2 by Ryorry

The comment I got was that both this season and last season the best side over 90 minutes lost and Muric didn't do anything to help the Town fans learn to love him.

On here, it is as if we were played off the park by a poor side and stand no chance of getting another point all season.

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billabasblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:29 - Feb 2 by Reuser_is_God
Of course it’s not over. It’s just extremely deflating. We’re 3 points off 17th with 14 games to play, we are far from needing a miracle.

Ok so we need 6 wins roughly to stay up , who are we beating ?

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:51 - Feb 2 with 760 views

Kropotkin123

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 08:26 - Feb 2 by NthQldITFC
We're still pretty much level on points with the two teams we need to finish above. The gutless tantrums on this board are so pathetic.

I don't feel the belief from the players. So it is hard to keep believing myself.

When the glass is half full or half empty, I'm definitely to sort of person that will treat it as basically 75% full.

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Reuser_is_God

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:49 - Feb 2 by billabasblue
Ok so we need 6 wins roughly to stay up , who are we beating ?

No, we need 4 more points than Wolves from the next 14 games.

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Nthsuffolkblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:49 - Feb 2 by billabasblue
Ok so we need 6 wins roughly to stay up , who are we beating ?

Which 5 matches are Wolves winning or 6 are Leicester winning?

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pointofblue

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:25 - Feb 2 by ITFCSG
Yes, but the squad mentality needs to change - fast. We have been playing much more poorly over the past 5 games than at the start of the season. More of the sideways and backwards passing and we will tippy tap all the way down to the Championship.

The last five games? Those include Fulham, where we were very good and would have won had it not been for Morsy's (especially) and Davis' clumsiness, and Brighton where we were more than in a game for 60 minutes and far better than the game at the Amex.
City was poor but look at what we were up against.
Liverpool, we were shaken by Burns' injury but at least regrouped in the second half and, again, look who we were playing.
And yesterday, again, the performance was better then the return game at St Mary's.
So, yes, we were worse against City and Liverpool but, for me, performed better in the other three (considering Fulham was away and up to the 60th minute against Brighton, at least) than we did at the start of the season.

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I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:55 - Feb 2 with 726 views

seblue78

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:39 - Feb 2 by Nthsuffolkblue
The comment I got was that both this season and last season the best side over 90 minutes lost and Muric didn't do anything to help the Town fans learn to love him. On here, it is as if we were played off the park by a poor side and stand no chance of getting another point all season.

There’s no point trying to be reasonable or objective mate, we’re doomed as the players heads have gone apparently. Wibble. We were the better team yesterday. But managed to lose due to some poor goalkeeping (first goal) and some profligate attacking play. It happens.
There’s points to be had - Brentford, wolves and spurs at home. Leicester away. Even Man U who are losing today to palace. And villa who look a bit shot. It’s do-able albeit it’s invariably more difficult now. Wolves haven’t suddenly turned into Madrid overnight as they beat a tired villa. Let’s get behind them and give it our best. Stranger things have happened...

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 17:57 - Feb 2 with 601 views

Blue_Heath

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 15:29 - Feb 2 by Reuser_is_God
Of course it’s not over. It’s just extremely deflating. We’re 3 points off 17th with 14 games to play, we are far from needing a miracle.

4 points when hugely inferior goal difference taken into account.

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 18:20 - Feb 2 with 571 views

Bluedandy

Wolves will probably lose their next two games, both away to Liverpool and Bournemouth.

To earn four points from our games at Villa and home to Tottenham is doable.

No harder than the four points we got from Chelsea and then Fulham.

If that happens we're out the bottom three, provided Leicester stumble.

It's far from over.

[Post edited 2 Feb 18:21]

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 18:22 - Feb 2 with 565 views

reusersfreekicks

I'm refusing to believe it's over on 18:20 - Feb 2 by Bluedandy
Wolves will probably lose their next two games, both away to Liverpool and Bournemouth. To earn four points from our games at Villa and home to Tottenham is doable. No harder than the four points we got from Chelsea and then Fulham. If that happens we're out the bottom three, provided Leicester stumble. It's far from over. [Post edited 2 Feb 18:21]

Maybe lay off the coolade

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