| Very happy with Phillips 15:55 - Feb 15 with 8146 views | SE1blue |
Doing what Phillips does.
Going to need him on it for 90. |  |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 12:00 - Feb 16 with 1615 views | ITFC_Forever |
Definitely a player who needs a run of games to build momentum and form, was finding it before the Leicester game (and we all know what happened then), and is doing it again now. |  |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 12:22 - Feb 16 with 1579 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very happy with Phillips on 11:29 - Feb 16 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
False equivalence. Posh phrase!
Think you are digging. Of course Phillips is trying to hassle, tackle, nick the ball. It is what his position demands. He was excellent yesterday AND yes the free kick he gave away was the one that led to the goal - he wasn't perfect, rarely does that happen. And the goal could have come from many other free kicks.
As a comparison: Palmer could have been sent off early on. Wasn't, thankfully. Always, always, a game of margins.... and opinions. |
Yes, but that wasn't the only free kick Phillips gave away on the edge of the box. He's responsible for a fair few, and not just today.
There's no digging, I'm only stating facts, and I've not slated his overall performance. I'd just like him to be more careful! I'm sure McKenna and the coaching staff would also like less cheap freekicks given away on the edge of our box. |  |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 12:28 - Feb 16 with 1554 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very happy with Phillips on 11:48 - Feb 16 by NeedhamChris |
I actually agree with you on Phillips, you don't see Cajuste giving away the same number of these.
However you're arguing semantics just to win an argument that you've created out of nothing - Frimmers doesn't know what his instructions are, and neither do you. It really shouldn't be that controversial that people speculate on a forum about what the manager might have said. |
I'm not "arguing semantics just to win an argument". Frimmers didn't offer his speculation, or if he did he didn't word it like that.
"He'd been asked to try and nick the ball whenever the opportunity presents itself."
That reads as if he knows something. Exact instructions rather than an opinion.
I don't like it when people offer their opinion as if it's fact.
And in any case, I don't think the coaching staff would necessarily want players to always try and nick the ball when there's a glimmer of opportunity. That's reckless. Sometimes you need to hold your position, shadow the player, guide them outside etc. Phillips dives in rashly sometimes. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 12:56 - Feb 16 with 1528 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Very happy with Phillips on 12:22 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yes, but that wasn't the only free kick Phillips gave away on the edge of the box. He's responsible for a fair few, and not just today.
There's no digging, I'm only stating facts, and I've not slated his overall performance. I'd just like him to be more careful! I'm sure McKenna and the coaching staff would also like less cheap freekicks given away on the edge of our box. |
We were under the cosh for over half the game. Philips was key to our defensive display, only behind O'Shea for defensive interventions and clearances. Yet he only committed 4 fouls all game, and was successful with the vast majority of his tackles.
Yes, it unfortunate when the fouls are given in dangerous positions, but this is not entirely down to the tackler - the skill and guile of the player tackled also plays a part. Certainly the best scenario is a successful tackle, and no foul, but the next best scenario is preventing the shot, at the cost of a free kick. If the shot had been made, and resulted in a goal, plenty on here would be question why the attacking player wasn't 'stopped'. |  | | |
| Very happy with Phillips on 13:28 - Feb 16 with 1495 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Very happy with Phillips on 12:28 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not "arguing semantics just to win an argument". Frimmers didn't offer his speculation, or if he did he didn't word it like that.
"He'd been asked to try and nick the ball whenever the opportunity presents itself."
That reads as if he knows something. Exact instructions rather than an opinion.
I don't like it when people offer their opinion as if it's fact.
And in any case, I don't think the coaching staff would necessarily want players to always try and nick the ball when there's a glimmer of opportunity. That's reckless. Sometimes you need to hold your position, shadow the player, guide them outside etc. Phillips dives in rashly sometimes. |
Hi Flash. Don't want this to become an old fashioned to me to you situation. However
You say you don't like it when people offer opinion as if it's fact...
In the thread about clarke being subbed you said
"(and McKenna will have told him too)."
That is your opinion is it not. [Post edited 16 Feb 13:37]
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| Very happy with Phillips on 15:32 - Feb 16 with 1408 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very happy with Phillips on 13:28 - Feb 16 by FrimleyBlue |
Hi Flash. Don't want this to become an old fashioned to me to you situation. However
You say you don't like it when people offer opinion as if it's fact...
In the thread about clarke being subbed you said
"(and McKenna will have told him too)."
That is your opinion is it not. [Post edited 16 Feb 13:37]
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Well because that's really really obvious he would. You think McKenna would just sub him and not mention anything about it? This isn't Roy Keane we're talking about.
It also wasn't integral to my point, either, hence in brackets.
You made a strong and very specific assertion on Phillips' instructions. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 15:35 - Feb 16 with 1401 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very happy with Phillips on 12:56 - Feb 16 by SuffolkPunchFC |
We were under the cosh for over half the game. Philips was key to our defensive display, only behind O'Shea for defensive interventions and clearances. Yet he only committed 4 fouls all game, and was successful with the vast majority of his tackles.
Yes, it unfortunate when the fouls are given in dangerous positions, but this is not entirely down to the tackler - the skill and guile of the player tackled also plays a part. Certainly the best scenario is a successful tackle, and no foul, but the next best scenario is preventing the shot, at the cost of a free kick. If the shot had been made, and resulted in a goal, plenty on here would be question why the attacking player wasn't 'stopped'. |
I know how football works, thanks. I just think he makes a few too many fouls that lead to free kicks on the edge of our box than I'm comfortable with. It wasn't meant to be such a massive point, just adding some context to the OP who hadn't, seemingly, seen any negatives in his play. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 15:45 - Feb 16 with 1382 views | SE1blue |
| Very happy with Phillips on 15:35 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I know how football works, thanks. I just think he makes a few too many fouls that lead to free kicks on the edge of our box than I'm comfortable with. It wasn't meant to be such a massive point, just adding some context to the OP who hadn't, seemingly, seen any negatives in his play. |
To be fair, my comment was made at half time before a goal from a free kick was conceded. And your comment came after both. So I think context here is important for my comment and then yours.
I felt like he had a great game. It’s a shame a goal came from a tackle he needed to make but that’s football and then it becomes comments in forums I guess.
I’m just pleased he’s performing at a level where we need him now. For him and for us. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 16:00 - Feb 16 with 1354 views | Vic |
| Very happy with Phillips on 12:22 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yes, but that wasn't the only free kick Phillips gave away on the edge of the box. He's responsible for a fair few, and not just today.
There's no digging, I'm only stating facts, and I've not slated his overall performance. I'd just like him to be more careful! I'm sure McKenna and the coaching staff would also like less cheap freekicks given away on the edge of our box. |
I didn’t keep count, but doubt he’s given away any more than Sammy.
On recent games I’d rather have him than Sammy tbh. We expect a lot from him because of his reputation and I do think he’s getting better with the more he plays. Sure, he hasn’t got back to his best, but I think it’s because we had such high hopes that we’re disappointed at his current levels. |  |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 16:07 - Feb 16 with 1335 views | _clive_baker_ |
He’s never going to be impenetrable and will make mistakes, and he’s not going to be a leveller between us and a team like Villa, nor is he at the level he was a few years ago when he was an England regular.
Ultimately none of that is really relevant though, the only question is is he better than the alternative. It’s an either / or between him and Morsy and that’s a c
no brainer to me. I think Morsy’s been poor in recent weeks, ponderous and clumsy. Phillips has a higher ceiling, sets a quicker tempo and brings us more zip in possession. Leave him in there for the remaining 13 games alongside Cajuste I say and see what happens. |  | | |
| Very happy with Phillips on 16:13 - Feb 16 with 1319 views | Tractor_Boy333 |
| Very happy with Phillips on 12:00 - Feb 16 by ITFC_Forever |
Definitely a player who needs a run of games to build momentum and form, was finding it before the Leicester game (and we all know what happened then), and is doing it again now. |
Yes needs a run of games. Time for McKenna to make a decision and start Phillips from here on in.
Morsy still has a part to play coming off the bench but Phillips has to be given a run of games I just think he gives us the best chance of avoiding the drop. [Post edited 16 Feb 19:05]
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| Very happy with Phillips on 16:13 - Feb 16 with 1318 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very happy with Phillips on 15:45 - Feb 16 by SE1blue |
To be fair, my comment was made at half time before a goal from a free kick was conceded. And your comment came after both. So I think context here is important for my comment and then yours.
I felt like he had a great game. It’s a shame a goal came from a tackle he needed to make but that’s football and then it becomes comments in forums I guess.
I’m just pleased he’s performing at a level where we need him now. For him and for us. |
Apologies, I got confused between this thread and the other thread that was eulogising about Phillips' performance after the game. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 16:35 - Feb 16 with 1272 views | NeedhamChris |
| Very happy with Phillips on 15:32 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well because that's really really obvious he would. You think McKenna would just sub him and not mention anything about it? This isn't Roy Keane we're talking about.
It also wasn't integral to my point, either, hence in brackets.
You made a strong and very specific assertion on Phillips' instructions. |
Ah so if it's really really obvious then it's a valid comment but if it's just really obvious (like trying to nick the ball as much as possible) it doesn't meet your high standards of internet discussion. Yet on another thread you're engaging in a speculative discussion based on one mate that can read a broadsheet.
It does seem an unfortunate coincidence that arguments follow you around the forum, and often seem to involve the same people.
If not - I'd suggest trying to be less prescriptive of how other people debate - and try to be less blatantly patronising. You don't have to prove everyone wrong... | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 16:47 - Feb 16 with 1240 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Very happy with Phillips on 16:35 - Feb 16 by NeedhamChris |
Ah so if it's really really obvious then it's a valid comment but if it's just really obvious (like trying to nick the ball as much as possible) it doesn't meet your high standards of internet discussion. Yet on another thread you're engaging in a speculative discussion based on one mate that can read a broadsheet.
It does seem an unfortunate coincidence that arguments follow you around the forum, and often seem to involve the same people.
If not - I'd suggest trying to be less prescriptive of how other people debate - and try to be less blatantly patronising. You don't have to prove everyone wrong... |
The 3 of you are arguing sematics. To be fair 2 because Frimmers isn't bothering to.
Is it worth the bother of arguing it at all (on either side)? |  |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 17:09 - Feb 16 with 1177 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very happy with Phillips on 16:35 - Feb 16 by NeedhamChris |
Ah so if it's really really obvious then it's a valid comment but if it's just really obvious (like trying to nick the ball as much as possible) it doesn't meet your high standards of internet discussion. Yet on another thread you're engaging in a speculative discussion based on one mate that can read a broadsheet.
It does seem an unfortunate coincidence that arguments follow you around the forum, and often seem to involve the same people.
If not - I'd suggest trying to be less prescriptive of how other people debate - and try to be less blatantly patronising. You don't have to prove everyone wrong... |
"It does seem an unfortunate coincidence that arguments follow you around the forum"
The irony here is you're following me around the forum trying to argue with me. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 17:11 - Feb 16 with 1168 views | NeedhamChris |
| Very happy with Phillips on 17:09 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"It does seem an unfortunate coincidence that arguments follow you around the forum"
The irony here is you're following me around the forum trying to argue with me. |
The irony isn't lost on me | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 17:22 - Feb 16 with 1133 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Very happy with Phillips on 15:35 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I know how football works, thanks. I just think he makes a few too many fouls that lead to free kicks on the edge of our box than I'm comfortable with. It wasn't meant to be such a massive point, just adding some context to the OP who hadn't, seemingly, seen any negatives in his play. |
"I know how football works, thanks."
Very tetchy.
You are being very vociferous in your views on Philips, including suggesting he might not be bright enough in his decision making though. | | | |
| Very happy with Phillips on 19:19 - Feb 16 with 1046 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Very happy with Phillips on 11:48 - Feb 16 by NeedhamChris |
I actually agree with you on Phillips, you don't see Cajuste giving away the same number of these.
However you're arguing semantics just to win an argument that you've created out of nothing - Frimmers doesn't know what his instructions are, and neither do you. It really shouldn't be that controversial that people speculate on a forum about what the manager might have said. |
I'm not sure Cajustte is that type of player. I would also like to see the number of tackles both put in so not sure we are comparing like with like. I am glad Phillips had a good full game because he was not reaching his potential. Hopefully he can now keep this up for the rest of the season. |  | | |
| Very happy with Phillips on 20:33 - Feb 16 with 977 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Very happy with Phillips on 17:09 - Feb 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"It does seem an unfortunate coincidence that arguments follow you around the forum"
The irony here is you're following me around the forum trying to argue with me. |
Mate I've had Frimmers on ignore for well over a year so I know how ridiculous some of statements can be but this one sounds crazy petty to be having an argument about. Surely it's taken as read that he is pushing an opinion that McKenna would have said even if he phrased it as "McKenna told him" or something.
Anyway if you are continually in dispute I can assure you it's a better life to remove the people that rile you on a forum. Everyone has a right to be on the forum as tedious as they can be to another (unless they cross certain lines of course). It's better for you, it's better for Phil to ignore certain people you can't get on with.
Just my advice, don't take personally. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 20:37 - Feb 16 with 972 views | portmanking |
| Very happy with Phillips on 16:27 - Feb 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This classic even gets an upvote from Laces.
How did Phillips do against Southampton? |
My point at the time - and still stands - is that why was Kalvin able to play the full 90 at Villa Park, a game we were always unlikely to win, and not in a crunch six-pointer against bottom club Southampton? Fitness-wise, he's been at the same level for weeks. He was over his injury by the New Year.
I firmly believe if he played instead of Morsy against the Saints we'd be one point ahead of the drop zone right now. [Post edited 16 Feb 20:38]
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| Very happy with Phillips on 20:53 - Feb 16 with 928 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Very happy with Phillips on 20:37 - Feb 16 by portmanking |
My point at the time - and still stands - is that why was Kalvin able to play the full 90 at Villa Park, a game we were always unlikely to win, and not in a crunch six-pointer against bottom club Southampton? Fitness-wise, he's been at the same level for weeks. He was over his injury by the New Year.
I firmly believe if he played instead of Morsy against the Saints we'd be one point ahead of the drop zone right now. [Post edited 16 Feb 20:38]
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Did KM say he wasn't fit? Perhaps KM just preferred morsy as the skipper at home in game he thought we might win. And tbh we still should have won.
I agree there has been fitness issues with pretty much all of our cms... but i wasn't aware if fitness was the reason phillips wasn't in at the start v southampton. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 22:40 - Feb 16 with 855 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Very happy with Phillips on 20:37 - Feb 16 by portmanking |
My point at the time - and still stands - is that why was Kalvin able to play the full 90 at Villa Park, a game we were always unlikely to win, and not in a crunch six-pointer against bottom club Southampton? Fitness-wise, he's been at the same level for weeks. He was over his injury by the New Year.
I firmly believe if he played instead of Morsy against the Saints we'd be one point ahead of the drop zone right now. [Post edited 16 Feb 20:38]
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Phillips was on the bench for the whole match. What makes you think he wasn't fit to play and why do you think he was on the bench when he wasn't fit? Strange point to double down on. | |
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| Very happy with Phillips on 06:30 - Feb 17 with 727 views | franz_tyson |
| Very happy with Phillips on 20:37 - Feb 16 by portmanking |
My point at the time - and still stands - is that why was Kalvin able to play the full 90 at Villa Park, a game we were always unlikely to win, and not in a crunch six-pointer against bottom club Southampton? Fitness-wise, he's been at the same level for weeks. He was over his injury by the New Year.
I firmly believe if he played instead of Morsy against the Saints we'd be one point ahead of the drop zone right now. [Post edited 16 Feb 20:38]
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You firmly believe that if he'd played instead of Morsy we'd have won against Saints?! Why? He hadn't pulled up any trees before and he hasn't won us any games yet - so why does he win us games in his absence ? Silly. One good game and he's a world beater.
No problem if he starts ahead of Morsy in the next game as we need to try something and Morsy hasn't been at his best lately.
I think we're where we deserve to be ( bottom 3) and to get out of it we need to be better collectively as a group. Phillips could help if plays well, but he isn't going to save us on his own. He's not good enough and can't ever see him being near the player he was. [Post edited 17 Feb 6:36]
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