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An odd one so far. Delighted for him to get his two goals at OT, but his "defending" of the third was disgustingly bad. I have absolutely no idea why he bothered doing that pathetic little jump, apart from to try and give the impression that he's trying even if he wasn't
I canvassed opinion on him after the Spurs match, as I found him unbelievably frustrating to watch and was interested in others perspectives.
Jaden Philogene yesterday- by Libero23 Feb 10:14 I found his performance to be a very frustrating watch.
Pulling the ball out of the air, just to pass it to the invisible man, slowing the game down in situations where he should be attacking the full back, taking shots from silly positions and generally not playing with the kind of intensity I expect of a Kieran McKenna player.
What *really* annoyed me though is that once the game was gone, he started to play and actually attack his full back directly, put in crosses, link up with Hutchinson.
Everyone’s entitled to a bad game and it’s still very early days for Jaden at the club, but I do have a few concerns based over what I’ve seen thus far.
Here’s hoping it’s just part of the settling in period.
Yesterday was odd, he got two goals at Old Trafford but similarly just kinda floated around looking like he was lacking in intensity and bravery?
No not surprised because we've chased him for about 3 transfer windows and he's clearly a player we really like and see value in. Its always going to be a balance between the here and now vs. the longer term. Football doesn't stop at the end of the season, the owners will be asking what we need to establish ourselves as a Premier league club over the next 5 years and that will require profiting on players and signing players who can add value long term. Not saying we've always struck that balance right, but that's the tough bit.
We've not seen enough yet to make any calls on him. Both him and J Clarke have the potential to be phenomenal players for us, however it's not yet to click for them. Clarke we are starting to see a little more confidence and hopefully that will continue to grow.
As per your question... Yes I did think it was odd that we bought another wide player when clearly other positions needed fixing first. McKenna wanted him, so we got him. I am optimistic that because he has built this team in his vision that he will still be here next season no matter what division we are in.
Of course whether that vision is working is whole different debate....
We've not seen enough yet to make any calls on him. Both him and J Clarke have the potential to be phenomenal players for us, however it's not yet to click for them. Clarke we are starting to see a little more confidence and hopefully that will continue to grow.
As per your question... Yes I did think it was odd that we bought another wide player when clearly other positions needed fixing first. McKenna wanted him, so we got him. I am optimistic that because he has built this team in his vision that he will still be here next season no matter what division we are in.
Of course whether that vision is working is whole different debate....
Agree and I also think Clarke's taken some time to learn his role in our set up. He was a real chalk on the boots cutting in from the left player for Sunderland and the role and defensive responsibilities are really different here. I think he's progressed though, he's one who could absolutely thrive next season. Hutchinson we know can, Philogene too. Szmodics & Chaplin can have a role to play. They're all players who are proven to be top performers at that level. Hirst will stick around, a new #9 presumably will replace Delap. A bit of trading in both directions I imagine and some work to do in midfield, but there's plenty of reasons to believe we'll be in a promotion race next season IMO (assuming we drop).
My view is that what works in the championship doesn't always work in the prem. West Ham bought Sunmerville and he's done nothing. Villa bought Philogene and said he's not up to it and shipped him.
We've put far too many eggs in the decent championship player basket and it is ultimatley going to relegate us. Philogene and Clarke are clearly decent enough to do great things in the championship but they are both a way off the prem in my view. As are a lot of our squad in reality.
It's all well and good to say 'they'll be great in the championship' but we bought them for the Prem and they've failed. That's bad business.
An odd one so far. Delighted for him to get his two goals at OT, but his "defending" of the third was disgustingly bad. I have absolutely no idea why he bothered doing that pathetic little jump, apart from to try and give the impression that he's trying even if he wasn't
I have not been impressed thus far with Philogene but to criticise him being out jumped or outmuscled by Harry Maguire at a set piece is really not on. Maguire is renowned even at international level for his aerial ability yet Dara O'Shea, Jacob Greaves, Axel Tuanzebe, Leif Davis, Liam Delap or Jens Cajuste are nowhere near him. Criticise Philogene for not one taking his man on in the second period despite perhaps 10 opportunities to do so, but not the third goal imho.
I have not been impressed thus far with Philogene but to criticise him being out jumped or outmuscled by Harry Maguire at a set piece is really not on. Maguire is renowned even at international level for his aerial ability yet Dara O'Shea, Jacob Greaves, Axel Tuanzebe, Leif Davis, Liam Delap or Jens Cajuste are nowhere near him. Criticise Philogene for not one taking his man on in the second period despite perhaps 10 opportunities to do so, but not the third goal imho.
He wasn't even Jadon's man, he was the spare man. Felt really odd to me that Cajuste was tasked with marking Maguire who is quite clearly their biggest set piece threat. I do wonder why O'Shea wasn't picking him up.
My view is that what works in the championship doesn't always work in the prem. West Ham bought Sunmerville and he's done nothing. Villa bought Philogene and said he's not up to it and shipped him.
We've put far too many eggs in the decent championship player basket and it is ultimatley going to relegate us. Philogene and Clarke are clearly decent enough to do great things in the championship but they are both a way off the prem in my view. As are a lot of our squad in reality.
It's all well and good to say 'they'll be great in the championship' but we bought them for the Prem and they've failed. That's bad business.
It's not bad business if you can go down and bounce back with a team that's confident and truly gelled. Then in 2026/27 you could look to take a quality over quantity approach to supplement what's already there.
Many Champ fans had described our squad as being a 'Championship all-stars'. Providing we live up to that next year, the players will have retained or even enhanced their asset values and we'll have better depth for the PL.
It's not bad business if you can go down and bounce back with a team that's confident and truly gelled. Then in 2026/27 you could look to take a quality over quantity approach to supplement what's already there.
Many Champ fans had described our squad as being a 'Championship all-stars'. Providing we live up to that next year, the players will have retained or even enhanced their asset values and we'll have better depth for the PL.
That is how I see it. If we can rebuild our midfield and replace Delap we will be in a great position to come up again with a far stronger squad than we did last summer. Then you can add 6/7 to the mix rather than the numbers we had to this season.
I have not been impressed thus far with Philogene but to criticise him being out jumped or outmuscled by Harry Maguire at a set piece is really not on. Maguire is renowned even at international level for his aerial ability yet Dara O'Shea, Jacob Greaves, Axel Tuanzebe, Leif Davis, Liam Delap or Jens Cajuste are nowhere near him. Criticise Philogene for not one taking his man on in the second period despite perhaps 10 opportunities to do so, but not the third goal imho.
I suggest you watch the highlights again, as there was no muscle used by Maguire, and no jumping from him either.
That is how I see it. If we can rebuild our midfield and replace Delap we will be in a great position to come up again with a far stronger squad than we did last summer. Then you can add 6/7 to the mix rather than the numbers we had to this season.
Yep. Infrastructurally speaking, we'd be in far better shape to take a quality over quantity approach too. The new training facility should be up and running for 2026/27, so we'd likely find it easier to recruit talent at home and abroad.
It's not bad business if you can go down and bounce back with a team that's confident and truly gelled. Then in 2026/27 you could look to take a quality over quantity approach to supplement what's already there.
Many Champ fans had described our squad as being a 'Championship all-stars'. Providing we live up to that next year, the players will have retained or even enhanced their asset values and we'll have better depth for the PL.
Spot on. Philogene/Clarke/Szmodics have proven that they can do it their before. Should we gain promotion off the back of another decent season in the Championship, you'd hope it would be more fine tuning with some quality, pricey individuals as opposed to having to replace a league one side.
I've said it on another thread but I really hope we can crack the foreign market should we gain promotion again. It feels as though that is the way to join some of those Prem mid-table floating clubs.
I think he's going to be a great player for us, I was impressed with his tracking back first half too. I think he was probsbly signed in Jan for the left, Hutch on the right and Encisco central But like alot of this season injuries have stopped us going with plan A!
I canvassed opinion on him after the Spurs match, as I found him unbelievably frustrating to watch and was interested in others perspectives.
Jaden Philogene yesterday- by Libero23 Feb 10:14 I found his performance to be a very frustrating watch.
Pulling the ball out of the air, just to pass it to the invisible man, slowing the game down in situations where he should be attacking the full back, taking shots from silly positions and generally not playing with the kind of intensity I expect of a Kieran McKenna player.
What *really* annoyed me though is that once the game was gone, he started to play and actually attack his full back directly, put in crosses, link up with Hutchinson.
Everyone’s entitled to a bad game and it’s still very early days for Jaden at the club, but I do have a few concerns based over what I’ve seen thus far.
Here’s hoping it’s just part of the settling in period.
Yesterday was odd, he got two goals at Old Trafford but similarly just kinda floated around looking like he was lacking in intensity and bravery?
And interest , very strange not interested look about him as he plays and certainly after his goal scoring.
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