| Where we are at 10:47 - Mar 9 with 6967 views | JakeITFC |
I thought yesterday was a microcosm of our season - very competitive, had chances, gave up chances and were probably on the wrong side of a tight game that could have gone our way. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve come away from a game this year feeling that way and it must be brutal for the team to be on the wrong side of it so often.
Honestly I think we probably are the 18th best team in this division so it isn’t really a sob story because it’s a fair reflection of where we are and where we should be. What I would say is that McKenna is right in his reflections (as he so often is) - for whatever reason we are still a team finding our feet at the level, integrating new players and trying new things out. Our front four is full of young and supremely talented individuals who are doing different things than what they’ve had to do previously and will be better for the experience and I think our general defending (and goalkeeping) is much improved. I really do see players and the general team getting better and it’s testament to good coaching and general management that they are still putting in confident and competitive performances like yesterday.
I come on here and it feels like a bit of a doomsday mood when I just don’t share that same negativity at all (and also feel that the general mood of fans at the game yesterday reflects my opinion on that). Relegation will be sad but definitely isn’t anywhere near the end of the road and you’d fancy whoever we have in charge (hopefully McKenna but who knows) would have a very good young squad to have a real crack at the Championship with next year. |  | | |  |
| Where we are at on 10:10 - Mar 10 with 1005 views | SomethingBlue |
| Where we are at on 10:07 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
Could we have one in the building, sort of, ready to go… in Cam Humphries? By all accounts he’s had a hell of a season in L1, and could make that step up (with better players around him) |
Can't rule that out at all. He's going to be some player. I think we need to sign two starters but give Humphreys every chance to be around the squad, get on the bench every week, compete and hopefully work his way in. |  |
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| Where we are at on 10:13 - Mar 10 with 984 views | portmanking |
| Where we are at on 10:10 - Mar 10 by SomethingBlue |
Can't rule that out at all. He's going to be some player. I think we need to sign two starters but give Humphreys every chance to be around the squad, get on the bench every week, compete and hopefully work his way in. |
My fear is we're going to have a similar situation for Humphreys as Jack Taylor.
I.e. Humphreys is much more of a forward-thinking, ball player, but may not be considered as the 10. However, he's not overly suited to being part of the double pivot either? | | | |
| Where we are at on 10:15 - Mar 10 with 970 views | SomethingBlue |
| Where we are at on 10:13 - Mar 10 by portmanking |
My fear is we're going to have a similar situation for Humphreys as Jack Taylor.
I.e. Humphreys is much more of a forward-thinking, ball player, but may not be considered as the 10. However, he's not overly suited to being part of the double pivot either? |
Yes, know what you mean, does he quite have either the flair for 10 or the physicality for further back. Tough to work out exactly where he ends up but I hope he gets an opportunity to stake a claim for a place in the matchday squad at least. | |
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| Where we are at on 10:18 - Mar 10 with 959 views | textbackup |
| Where we are at on 10:13 - Mar 10 by portmanking |
My fear is we're going to have a similar situation for Humphreys as Jack Taylor.
I.e. Humphreys is much more of a forward-thinking, ball player, but may not be considered as the 10. However, he's not overly suited to being part of the double pivot either? |
(I don’t want this to happen) but we might have a new manager in the summer who won’t play that style/formation. |  |
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| Where we are at on 10:21 - Mar 10 with 944 views | Reuser_is_God |
Totally agree, said the same immediately after the game to mates about it just summing up the season perfectly. |  |
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| Where we are at on 10:29 - Mar 10 with 926 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Where we are at on 10:05 - Mar 10 by SomethingBlue |
We will be well set – but as you suggest, just how well set depends on exactly who we sign in midfield. We need two very good players in there, but they need to be able to form a winning relationship in the Morsy-Luongo mould very quickly too and that's something of an intangible. If we get that right we should be fine for a serious push at top two, but it's not at all easy. [Post edited 10 Mar 10:05]
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That is true but it's easier when you are shopping in a different market to 90% of the others in the division. I expect we will spend £5m-£10m on at least one of those CMs this summer if we go down. It still annoys me we didn't pick Tanaka up for the £2m he cost Leeds last summer. He would have been a perfect succession plan to Morsy/Luongo.
People keep mentioning Downes but feels really unlikely to me now. Southampton will change manager again, he will be too expensive and they aren't going to sell him to a promotion rival (assuming we go down). [Post edited 10 Mar 10:29]
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| Where we are at on 10:42 - Mar 10 with 894 views | portmanking |
| Where we are at on 10:29 - Mar 10 by tractorboy1978 |
That is true but it's easier when you are shopping in a different market to 90% of the others in the division. I expect we will spend £5m-£10m on at least one of those CMs this summer if we go down. It still annoys me we didn't pick Tanaka up for the £2m he cost Leeds last summer. He would have been a perfect succession plan to Morsy/Luongo.
People keep mentioning Downes but feels really unlikely to me now. Southampton will change manager again, he will be too expensive and they aren't going to sell him to a promotion rival (assuming we go down). [Post edited 10 Mar 10:29]
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Downes isn't part of the matchday squad. I don't think putting his parts on has gone down too well with his team mates, from what I've heard. I'd definitely put some money on him coming back here in the summer.
Downes to replace Morsy and a bigger, quicker version of Luongo would be fantastic. | | | |
| Where we are at on 11:00 - Mar 10 with 855 views | textbackup |
| Where we are at on 10:42 - Mar 10 by portmanking |
Downes isn't part of the matchday squad. I don't think putting his parts on has gone down too well with his team mates, from what I've heard. I'd definitely put some money on him coming back here in the summer.
Downes to replace Morsy and a bigger, quicker version of Luongo would be fantastic. |
Downes would be a hell of signing for us. He a Cam Hump pulling the strings in CM. Lovely stuff! | |
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| Where we are at on 11:03 - Mar 10 with 845 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Where we are at on 10:42 - Mar 10 by portmanking |
Downes isn't part of the matchday squad. I don't think putting his parts on has gone down too well with his team mates, from what I've heard. I'd definitely put some money on him coming back here in the summer.
Downes to replace Morsy and a bigger, quicker version of Luongo would be fantastic. |
I hope you are right. Sheaf only has a year left after this summer too. If Coventry don't go up, I expect he is back on the radar. This is what the PL has done, we are suddenly in a position where we could go and take him. | | | |
| Where we are at on 11:09 - Mar 10 with 811 views | textbackup |
| Where we are at on 11:03 - Mar 10 by tractorboy1978 |
I hope you are right. Sheaf only has a year left after this summer too. If Coventry don't go up, I expect he is back on the radar. This is what the PL has done, we are suddenly in a position where we could go and take him. |
He’s had a bit of an injury hit season hasn’t he ? (Sheaf) | |
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| Where we are at on 11:14 - Mar 10 with 796 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Where we are at on 11:09 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
He’s had a bit of an injury hit season hasn’t he ? (Sheaf) |
Yeh been injury hit. Was really poor at the start of the season when he did play as well. Just coming back from injury now so see what Lampard can get out of him.
Wonder if Chelsea would want to revisit the Ugochukwu deal we were reportedly interested in. Give him a full season on loan. Him and Downes in midfield would be a long day for championship midfields. |  |
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| Where we are at on 11:19 - Mar 10 with 783 views | textbackup |
| Where we are at on 11:14 - Mar 10 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Yeh been injury hit. Was really poor at the start of the season when he did play as well. Just coming back from injury now so see what Lampard can get out of him.
Wonder if Chelsea would want to revisit the Ugochukwu deal we were reportedly interested in. Give him a full season on loan. Him and Downes in midfield would be a long day for championship midfields. |
I think I read on here we can make up to 5 PL loan signings (if a championship club) I suspect we’ll gobble that up and use them wisely, as annoying and disappointing as the season has been, I’m sure there are many PL managers that would happily see their younger players joining us. | |
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| Where we are at on 11:19 - Mar 10 with 783 views | portmanking |
| Where we are at on 11:03 - Mar 10 by tractorboy1978 |
I hope you are right. Sheaf only has a year left after this summer too. If Coventry don't go up, I expect he is back on the radar. This is what the PL has done, we are suddenly in a position where we could go and take him. |
Downes and Sheaf would probably be my ideal pick (if we're not recruiting from outside the UK).
I Imagine you could get both for £20m combined in the summer (providing Cov stay down). Paid for with 40-50% of Delap's sale.
That just leaves signing a genuine competitor for Hirst. I think we could spend £25-£30m this summer on 3x players which could tip the scales our way.
£50m parachute payment
£20-£25m club income
£45m Delap
£20m Davis
£30m outlay
£110m in the black for the season (before wages/club staff costs considered) | | | |
| Where we are at on 11:23 - Mar 10 with 759 views | NeedhamChris |
| Where we are at on 11:19 - Mar 10 by portmanking |
Downes and Sheaf would probably be my ideal pick (if we're not recruiting from outside the UK).
I Imagine you could get both for £20m combined in the summer (providing Cov stay down). Paid for with 40-50% of Delap's sale.
That just leaves signing a genuine competitor for Hirst. I think we could spend £25-£30m this summer on 3x players which could tip the scales our way.
£50m parachute payment
£20-£25m club income
£45m Delap
£20m Davis
£30m outlay
£110m in the black for the season (before wages/club staff costs considered) |
I still think we're looking likely around £25m for Delap.
Otherwise, think this is a very sensible suggestion and I'd be very happy with that. | |
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| Where we are at on 11:27 - Mar 10 with 742 views | JakeITFC |
| Where we are at on 11:23 - Mar 10 by NeedhamChris |
I still think we're looking likely around £25m for Delap.
Otherwise, think this is a very sensible suggestion and I'd be very happy with that. |
We paid close to that in the summer and he's since scored 10 Premier League goals and is on the fringes of the England squad. In an unconstrained market (the potential constraint being whatever City can get him back for should they want to) his value has at least doubled. | | | |
| Where we are at on 11:44 - Mar 10 with 684 views | itfcjoe |
| Where we are at on 11:23 - Mar 10 by NeedhamChris |
I still think we're looking likely around £25m for Delap.
Otherwise, think this is a very sensible suggestion and I'd be very happy with that. |
Why do you think he'd only be worth that? Genuinely interested to know |  |
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| Where we are at on 12:01 - Mar 10 with 640 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Where we are at on 11:23 - Mar 10 by NeedhamChris |
I still think we're looking likely around £25m for Delap.
Otherwise, think this is a very sensible suggestion and I'd be very happy with that. |
He'll be going for 40+ easy. There is almost no number nines around(as evidenced by several clubs chasing Broja) and he's had a great season and is really young. |  |
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| Where we are at on 12:17 - Mar 10 with 593 views | NeedhamChris |
| Where we are at on 11:44 - Mar 10 by itfcjoe |
Why do you think he'd only be worth that? Genuinely interested to know |
I was answering based on what I thought we'd get, not what I think he's worth.
I don't really believe that there's smoke without fire when it comes to the buyback clause - so my £25m figure is at the pessimistic end of what that might be.
If there isn't one - then I think £55m+ easily. | |
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| Where we are at on 12:21 - Mar 10 with 573 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Where we are at on 11:19 - Mar 10 by portmanking |
Downes and Sheaf would probably be my ideal pick (if we're not recruiting from outside the UK).
I Imagine you could get both for £20m combined in the summer (providing Cov stay down). Paid for with 40-50% of Delap's sale.
That just leaves signing a genuine competitor for Hirst. I think we could spend £25-£30m this summer on 3x players which could tip the scales our way.
£50m parachute payment
£20-£25m club income
£45m Delap
£20m Davis
£30m outlay
£110m in the black for the season (before wages/club staff costs considered) |
We're likely to have more than that to spend on player fees - depending on the contracts given, we only have to account for a fraction of the total next FY. | | | |
| Where we are at on 12:31 - Mar 10 with 545 views | NeedhamChris |
| Where we are at on 12:21 - Mar 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
We're likely to have more than that to spend on player fees - depending on the contracts given, we only have to account for a fraction of the total next FY. |
You're right to an extent, but I think that means we might have less to spend not more?
Would expect the fraction of this years fees will be higher than the fraction of next years. | |
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| Where we are at on 12:54 - Mar 10 with 492 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Where we are at on 10:42 - Mar 10 by portmanking |
Downes isn't part of the matchday squad. I don't think putting his parts on has gone down too well with his team mates, from what I've heard. I'd definitely put some money on him coming back here in the summer.
Downes to replace Morsy and a bigger, quicker version of Luongo would be fantastic. |
I get the impression that the deal was pretty much there to be done ... only for Southampton to then beat us the Saturday prior to the window closing and that put all the stops on it ... unless we came up with silly money for him. |  |
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| Where we are at on 12:57 - Mar 10 with 486 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Where we are at on 12:31 - Mar 10 by NeedhamChris |
You're right to an extent, but I think that means we might have less to spend not more?
Would expect the fraction of this years fees will be higher than the fraction of next years. |
It's of course all speculation until we know who leaves over the summer. Assuming minimal outs (of players we've bought in the past 12 months), amortised fees will be +/- £30M.
Let's say Delap and Muric are off, that's down to what - circa £25M. Minimal fees incoming from Muric, but there will be something to add.
If we spend £50M on 3 players (not saying we should or would) on 4 year contracts, that's £12.5M onto next year's accounts.
Hence why I say we could probably send more, if the club felt it was prudent. It does increase the risk, as it puts more importance on bouncing straight back up. | | | |
| Where we are at on 13:01 - Mar 10 with 469 views | Horsham |
| Where we are at on 12:31 - Mar 10 by NeedhamChris |
You're right to an extent, but I think that means we might have less to spend not more?
Would expect the fraction of this years fees will be higher than the fraction of next years. |
Based on a fag packet calc I’d suggest with no ins or outs in the summer our FFP report if we went down would be about break even for next season but we’ll have operated and we’ll carry considerable FFP headroom from this season over upwards of £70m. Even without any sales if the owners are willing to go for it then there’s quite a lot they can do but could come a cropper if we don’t get promoted to the PL within 2 years. |  | | |
| Where we are at on 13:08 - Mar 10 with 431 views | Horsham |
| Where we are at on 12:57 - Mar 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It's of course all speculation until we know who leaves over the summer. Assuming minimal outs (of players we've bought in the past 12 months), amortised fees will be +/- £30M.
Let's say Delap and Muric are off, that's down to what - circa £25M. Minimal fees incoming from Muric, but there will be something to add.
If we spend £50M on 3 players (not saying we should or would) on 4 year contracts, that's £12.5M onto next year's accounts.
Hence why I say we could probably send more, if the club felt it was prudent. It does increase the risk, as it puts more importance on bouncing straight back up. |
What happens say if we sell Muric £1m this summer. Say we paid £10m and he’s ammortised over 5 years then there’s still £8m outstanding less the £1m recieved leaving £7m. Presume we have to do some sort of right off on the £7m?
Edit - I ammortised wrong should be £10m over 4 years so £7.5m to be written off less any fee received. I can’t recall the correct numbers reported but the principle remains the same/ [Post edited 10 Mar 13:12]
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| Where we are at on 13:14 - Mar 10 with 412 views | BarcaBlue |
| Where we are at on 13:08 - Mar 10 by Horsham |
What happens say if we sell Muric £1m this summer. Say we paid £10m and he’s ammortised over 5 years then there’s still £8m outstanding less the £1m recieved leaving £7m. Presume we have to do some sort of right off on the £7m?
Edit - I ammortised wrong should be £10m over 4 years so £7.5m to be written off less any fee received. I can’t recall the correct numbers reported but the principle remains the same/ [Post edited 10 Mar 13:12]
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I think we'd try to loan him out and see what happens. |  | | |
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