| Ben Johnson 17:43 - Apr 29 with 7226 views | cressi |
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| Ben Johnson on 22:01 - Apr 29 with 1510 views | jayessess |
Not especially keen that we replace him, but arguably he's the one whose sale would reap the most financial benefit.
As a free transfer he's likely to be one of the better paid players at the club (not impossible he's the best paid). Plus he'd be all profit from an FFP perspective. |  |
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| Ben Johnson on 22:36 - Apr 29 with 1414 views | bournemouthblue |
| Ben Johnson on 18:18 - Apr 29 by Garv |
I think he's the ultimate 'passable in the Premier League but would be very very useful in the Championship' player.
Based on Tuanzebe's injury record and Clarke still not quite being good enough as first choice (IMO) and not being squeaky clean injury-wise himself, I think we'd be mad to let Johnson go, unless it was indeed a big offer. |
Clarke is decent going forward and definitely useful in games when we are on top but not great positionally, he is better in a five for me with some cover
Johnson will probably look pretty good in the Championship, didn't West Ham fans reckon he was a holding midfielder, would we consider that? |  |
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| Ben Johnson on 22:44 - Apr 29 with 1394 views | vilanovablue |
| Ben Johnson on 17:56 - Apr 29 by bradforblues |
He can go imho. Been poor all the times I've seen him. Keep Tuanzebe, have Clarke as back up and we'll be ok without him. |
Got him on a free, so there will be a few. |  | | |
| Ben Johnson on 23:04 - Apr 29 with 1357 views | Matt_Netherlands |
You’d have to assume KWP is their primary target on a free and they won’t sign two RBs.
What sort of fee would it take for us to be tempted? £5m? Would be pure profit in 12 months which is good for FFP/PSR |  | | |
| Ben Johnson on 23:29 - Apr 29 with 1331 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Ben Johnson on 22:01 - Apr 29 by jayessess |
Not especially keen that we replace him, but arguably he's the one whose sale would reap the most financial benefit.
As a free transfer he's likely to be one of the better paid players at the club (not impossible he's the best paid). Plus he'd be all profit from an FFP perspective. |
Exactly the same. I think he'd be very good in the champ (and good versatility -interested to see him in.midfield).
However removing his wages and a decent fee would be really good and likely to mean we can keep more of our players. It wouldn't be hugely damaging with Ogbene to return. [Post edited 30 Apr 7:59]
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| Yep, to write him off.... on 23:59 - Apr 29 with 1292 views | Superblue95 |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 21:01 - Apr 29 by ITFC_Forever |
No, because he has proved his worth in many other games.
Johnson has been adequate at best in some, and under par in others. |
I’m with you on this, and am surprised there are so many who want to keep him or who think he’ll ’dominate’ the Championship.
He will be one of our highest earners and has been one of our worst performers this season. Lost more duels than any other full back in the league, constantly ‘clears’ the ball to an opposition player just outside the box, and is terrible at closing down anyone preparing to take a cross.
He may well look a lot better in the championship but if a side are willing to pay actual money for him then I think we’d be mad to not take it and invest in a right back who would be a much better fit in our team. |  |
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| Ben Johnson on 07:11 - Apr 30 with 1100 views | NickITFC |
I personally feel this is just Fulham making noise to try and negotiate a better deal or speed up the deal for Walker-Peters. |  | | |
| Ben Johnson on 07:24 - Apr 30 with 1083 views | Dennyx4 |
| Ben Johnson on 07:11 - Apr 30 by NickITFC |
I personally feel this is just Fulham making noise to try and negotiate a better deal or speed up the deal for Walker-Peters. |
Walker-Peters is out of contract, so will have the choice of quite a few clubs.
Johnson may be the back up plan, if they don’t get Walker-Peters. |  | | |
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| Yep, to write him off.... on 08:46 - Apr 30 with 970 views | itfcjoe |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 18:35 - Apr 29 by Bloots |
....based on playing a season in "the best league in the world" is utterly ludicrous.
You could do that with basically all of the squad, but because he wasn't involved in the promotions he gets the "I'll drive him there" treatment.
I'd expect him to be top class in the Championship, and we really don't want to have to replace him.
We've got enough business to do. |
The only thing for me is that not sure he really fits with how we want to play - he's not a RB in our system so most useful in that RW/RM role.
I think after a very slow start, where he struggled in that RB role, he's been a pretty good performer in the main.......but he's playing a role we probably aren't going to need next year as will want/need a more attacking threat on that right hand side
Whilst I wouldn't drive him there myself, if we could get a good fee for him then think we could find someone who is a better profile for what we need and it's good business |  |
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| Yep, to write him off.... on 08:49 - Apr 30 with 946 views | portmanking |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 08:46 - Apr 30 by itfcjoe |
The only thing for me is that not sure he really fits with how we want to play - he's not a RB in our system so most useful in that RW/RM role.
I think after a very slow start, where he struggled in that RB role, he's been a pretty good performer in the main.......but he's playing a role we probably aren't going to need next year as will want/need a more attacking threat on that right hand side
Whilst I wouldn't drive him there myself, if we could get a good fee for him then think we could find someone who is a better profile for what we need and it's good business |
This is where the player trading aspect comes in...
I would agree with you that he's a poor fit for the hybrid RB role and, despite improving lately, isn't as effective as Burns/Ogbene in the RW role.
If we can get an 8-figure fee for him to pay for one of our new double pivots, it's a bit of a no-brainer if you ask me. | | | |
| One of my very few issues…. on 09:00 - Apr 30 with 902 views | Bloots |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 08:46 - Apr 30 by itfcjoe |
The only thing for me is that not sure he really fits with how we want to play - he's not a RB in our system so most useful in that RW/RM role.
I think after a very slow start, where he struggled in that RB role, he's been a pretty good performer in the main.......but he's playing a role we probably aren't going to need next year as will want/need a more attacking threat on that right hand side
Whilst I wouldn't drive him there myself, if we could get a good fee for him then think we could find someone who is a better profile for what we need and it's good business |
….with KM is his predictability with substitutions. Particularly in the Champ where his routine is to simply replace a player with a “less tired” version of the same player.
Personally I think having a versatile right sided player that is more attacking than our standard RB as well as being more defensive than our standard RW is a really useful weapon.
IMHO. |  |
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| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:01 - Apr 30 with 896 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 08:49 - Apr 30 by portmanking |
This is where the player trading aspect comes in...
I would agree with you that he's a poor fit for the hybrid RB role and, despite improving lately, isn't as effective as Burns/Ogbene in the RW role.
If we can get an 8-figure fee for him to pay for one of our new double pivots, it's a bit of a no-brainer if you ask me. |
It would be an amazing piece of business. As already pointed out above, he would be pure profit for FFP purposes too. In the nicest possible way, he is not going to be a player we miss next season. | | | |
| Ben Johnson on 09:20 - Apr 30 with 831 views | RobTheMonk |
He's a good squad player for a Premier League team. |  | | |
| Ben Johnson on 09:31 - Apr 30 with 799 views | Wright1 |
| Ben Johnson on 20:09 - Apr 29 by topguy |
Lets be realistic the likes of delap omari jayden lief o'shea most of who will prob all have clauses will go, so others going as well is not a surprise, and i cant blame them if the chance of PL footballl comes up, we took advantage of a relegated club, we will get the money back we paid at least and rebuild again but from a stronger base. |
I'm not convinced Jaden will have a release clause unless maybe it is something silly high. Given the situation we were in, why would we go to the effort of signing him when we did and why would he sign if he were going to jump ship this summer? He must be seen as a long term development project by the club and I believe he must have been on board with that. | | | |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:33 - Apr 30 with 797 views | portmanking |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:01 - Apr 30 by tractorboy1978 |
It would be an amazing piece of business. As already pointed out above, he would be pure profit for FFP purposes too. In the nicest possible way, he is not going to be a player we miss next season. |
Yeah, absolutely. The pure profit aspect won't be lost on Ashton and co. from a PSR perspective. Selling Johnson for £10m-£12m pure profit could be the difference between keeping and losing Omari or O'Shea. | | | |
| Ben Johnson on 09:36 - Apr 30 with 778 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Ben Johnson on 09:31 - Apr 30 by Wright1 |
I'm not convinced Jaden will have a release clause unless maybe it is something silly high. Given the situation we were in, why would we go to the effort of signing him when we did and why would he sign if he were going to jump ship this summer? He must be seen as a long term development project by the club and I believe he must have been on board with that. |
Mind you, he had a 5 year deal at Villa on guaranteed PL money and I can't imagine (with his agent especially) he swapped that for a deal here with a relegation wage drop. | | | |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:51 - Apr 30 with 690 views | Superblue95 |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:33 - Apr 30 by portmanking |
Yeah, absolutely. The pure profit aspect won't be lost on Ashton and co. from a PSR perspective. Selling Johnson for £10m-£12m pure profit could be the difference between keeping and losing Omari or O'Shea. |
I’d love to be wrong but 12m is fantasy land stuff surely?
If they fancied him that much surely they’d have made a push to sign him for free last summer. His stock will have gone down since last summer too seeing as he’s struggled to hold down a regular role in a side that’s been relegated with 4 games to go. He’s only started most weeks since Burns got injured and Burns wasn’t exactly on fire this season himself.
A club could find themselves a much better right sided player than Ben Johnson for 12m. | |
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| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:53 - Apr 30 with 686 views | portmanking |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:51 - Apr 30 by Superblue95 |
I’d love to be wrong but 12m is fantasy land stuff surely?
If they fancied him that much surely they’d have made a push to sign him for free last summer. His stock will have gone down since last summer too seeing as he’s struggled to hold down a regular role in a side that’s been relegated with 4 games to go. He’s only started most weeks since Burns got injured and Burns wasn’t exactly on fire this season himself.
A club could find themselves a much better right sided player than Ben Johnson for 12m. |
£12m for a player that's played all of his football in the Prem? Is still not yet in his prime and can play in multiple positions? Amortised over a 4-year contract, £3m a year for a club like Fulham is relative peanuts for a back-up/squad player. | | | |
| Ben Johnson on 10:02 - Apr 30 with 631 views | Wright1 |
| Ben Johnson on 09:36 - Apr 30 by tractorboy1978 |
Mind you, he had a 5 year deal at Villa on guaranteed PL money and I can't imagine (with his agent especially) he swapped that for a deal here with a relegation wage drop. |
I'm inclined to agree however, he's a game breaker in the Championship and an England U21 - whatever we pay him i'm certain he will be worth it. | | | |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 10:07 - Apr 30 with 616 views | Superblue95 |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:53 - Apr 30 by portmanking |
£12m for a player that's played all of his football in the Prem? Is still not yet in his prime and can play in multiple positions? Amortised over a 4-year contract, £3m a year for a club like Fulham is relative peanuts for a back-up/squad player. |
Relative peanuts yes. But I think they’d be more likely to spend that money on someone from the continent or a punt with a higher ceiling.
Time will tell but I don’t see it. | |
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| Yep, to write him off.... on 10:10 - Apr 30 with 603 views | Wickets |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 08:46 - Apr 30 by itfcjoe |
The only thing for me is that not sure he really fits with how we want to play - he's not a RB in our system so most useful in that RW/RM role.
I think after a very slow start, where he struggled in that RB role, he's been a pretty good performer in the main.......but he's playing a role we probably aren't going to need next year as will want/need a more attacking threat on that right hand side
Whilst I wouldn't drive him there myself, if we could get a good fee for him then think we could find someone who is a better profile for what we need and it's good business |
As we got him on a free his wage might be a problem in the championship . |  | | |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 10:40 - Apr 30 with 499 views | portmanking |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 10:07 - Apr 30 by Superblue95 |
Relative peanuts yes. But I think they’d be more likely to spend that money on someone from the continent or a punt with a higher ceiling.
Time will tell but I don’t see it. |
Johnson is a known quantity. He's not a world beater, but he's not a panel beater either. He can do a steady job in most positions. That's worth a lot in an EPL squad - especially one that could yet be playing European football next season. | | | |
| Ben Johnson on 10:44 - Apr 30 with 475 views | topguy |
| Ben Johnson on 09:31 - Apr 30 by Wright1 |
I'm not convinced Jaden will have a release clause unless maybe it is something silly high. Given the situation we were in, why would we go to the effort of signing him when we did and why would he sign if he were going to jump ship this summer? He must be seen as a long term development project by the club and I believe he must have been on board with that. |
that could be said for any player, more often than not they will have modest clauses to protect themselves and we have to say yes otherwise dont get them, the club as a promoted club has little pull in the negs we can think we do but thats based off history not now, we as a club has always been a selling club dont see that changing | | | |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 10:46 - Apr 30 with 469 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 09:33 - Apr 30 by portmanking |
Yeah, absolutely. The pure profit aspect won't be lost on Ashton and co. from a PSR perspective. Selling Johnson for £10m-£12m pure profit could be the difference between keeping and losing Omari or O'Shea. |
What is the £10-£12m you've valued him at based off exactly?
Personally I'd be surprised if we got anywhere near that fee, I think we'd get about £3m-£3.5m max for Johnson. |  |
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| Yep, to write him off.... on 10:49 - Apr 30 with 453 views | hype313 |
| Yep, to write him off.... on 10:46 - Apr 30 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
What is the £10-£12m you've valued him at based off exactly?
Personally I'd be surprised if we got anywhere near that fee, I think we'd get about £3m-£3.5m max for Johnson. |
Maybe in 2005. |  |
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