| Muric - Persevere or Not 12:26 - May 5 with 3003 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
I don't want to start another Muric bashing thread, but I'm curious as to whether we think the club will persevere with him a while longer.
Personally I think we might, for a few reasons:
--he clearly has a high ceiling if we can resolve the concentration issue
--he's currently injured, so don't know if another club would sign him this summer
--I'm not sure if interested clubs in Europe would be able to afford his wages
Having said all that, I guess a loan with an option to buy may suit all parties. Surely he has way too much potential to have his contract mutually terminated. |  | | |  |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:20 - May 5 with 550 views | DavoIPB |
Defence had lost confidence in him which was a real problem. He is a much better keeper than Palmer of Walton though. Walton is just about a championship keeper and Palmer is a top championship keeper. Muric has ability to be really good premier league keeper but will continue to make mistakes. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:31 - May 5 with 518 views | Facefacts |
Persevere. We don't have a choice. He will be No 2 to hide him from the firing line. Panic buy as we mishandled the Hladky situation which went on for months. But he may get a chance to show what he can do and will have to be ready for it. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:35 - May 5 with 511 views | DJR |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:20 - May 5 by DavoIPB |
Defence had lost confidence in him which was a real problem. He is a much better keeper than Palmer of Walton though. Walton is just about a championship keeper and Palmer is a top championship keeper. Muric has ability to be really good premier league keeper but will continue to make mistakes. |
Without wishing to cast aspersions on Muric, I have seen Palmer live in all but one game and I think he has been proven to be a goalkeeper of Premier League quality.
As regards Muric, I assume it will depend on three things, namely, his confidence, his transfer fee and contract, and McKenna's view of him.
I could see him staying as a number 2 to Palmer., who I think is better with his feet when it comes to playing it out from the back. And being number 2 wouldn't rule him out getting a chance to be No.1, were some fate to befall Palmer. [Post edited 5 May 17:36]
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:40 - May 5 with 493 views | WestSussexBlue |
Palmer wasn’t signed to be a back up keeper. He was I believe brought here to take the place of Muric. Even with Walton being fit, he’s shown enough ability and performance levels to retain the N.o 1 shirt. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s Palmer and Slicker as our Two next season. | | | |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 17:49 - May 5 with 463 views | LankHenners |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 14:09 - May 5 by Steve_M |
Muric has a much higher ceiling than Palmer but a lower floor, the latter is a solid Championship keeper but no more. I think his limitations are becoming clearer, especially with crosses and the weakness of his kicking. Won’t matter next season though.
Muric though? He can be an excellent keeper or a total liability, all within the same week. Whatever his other failings, I don’t think we get that first win at Spurs without his second half performance, just the right level of sh1thousery to keep control of the game. I would be happy to persevere but I’ve seen what happens when Town fans make their collective mind up on a player, some can never provide any credit again. |
Think your last sentence is key unfortunately.
I know he may as well have thrown the two goals in against Southampton but the way the crowd were getting on his back in that game was really stupid. Couldn't hold the ball for more than a couple of seconds without mass whistling and frustrated groaning.
Was in the SBR Lower for the Bristol Rovers cup game and there were people in there sarcastically applauding and cheering every time he made a simple pass or catch etc.
Side point but do worry what the atmosphere could be like next season if we don't get off to a flyer from the word go. |  |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:57 - May 5 with 440 views | monty_radio |
With so many adjustments to make and the usual summer-long ping-pong of potential ins and out, I can't see how we'd be looking to blend in a costly new keeper when we already own 4 decent Championship-standard players. It may well be that, if the January window arrives with our chances looking good, then we might well think about who could improve us in the Prem, but I'm not sure it would be on our radar for the next 6 months. | |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 18:30 - May 5 with 398 views | Vic |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:31 - May 5 by Facefacts |
Persevere. We don't have a choice. He will be No 2 to hide him from the firing line. Panic buy as we mishandled the Hladky situation which went on for months. But he may get a chance to show what he can do and will have to be ready for it. |
IIRC Hladky turned down a contract offer and went of his own accord. Not sure that’s us ‘mishandling’ the situation. |  |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 18:44 - May 5 with 380 views | tcblue |
He would have been fine this season with a PL quality defence in front of him | | | |
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| Personally I'd keep him.... on 19:45 - May 5 with 325 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 17:49 - May 5 by LankHenners |
Think your last sentence is key unfortunately.
I know he may as well have thrown the two goals in against Southampton but the way the crowd were getting on his back in that game was really stupid. Couldn't hold the ball for more than a couple of seconds without mass whistling and frustrated groaning.
Was in the SBR Lower for the Bristol Rovers cup game and there were people in there sarcastically applauding and cheering every time he made a simple pass or catch etc.
Side point but do worry what the atmosphere could be like next season if we don't get off to a flyer from the word go. |
How the crowd might receive Muric is crucial, should he play for us again. I'm not so sure it's the 'collective' that have given up on Muric, rather a (very) vocal minority - but this can lead to rising dissatisfaction being voiced during a game due to pack-mentality.
This forum is probably a good reflection of the wider fanbase. A few who are extreme, and don't want Muric to darken our doors ever again. A few who are unswervingly in favour of him being our number 1. Then the majority who are of the opinion that he has a lot of promise, and with coaching could maybe provide our long term, PL 'keeper solution.
Muric is also the most natural with the preferred high risk tactics of playing out from the back, and inviting the press. Palmer and Walton are not comfortable with this approach, and tend to avoid it mostly. We have a section of fans who dislike the tactics, and therefore make their views abundantly clear when Muric plays this way (despite it probably being how he’s been instructed to play). It’s probably just another stick to beat Muric with, but I expect to see an increasing return to this style of play next season whoever is between the posts, and if it’s Muric the same fans will immediately be on his back. | | | |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 19:48 - May 5 with 328 views | Dubtractor |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 13:40 - May 5 by Bloots |
....let him and Palmer battle it out next season.
I don't think he was helped earlier in the season with KM's continued desire to play it out from the back, no matter how tight the situation was. We were still playing that short ball into Morsy despite him being unable to deal with the additional pressure applied by far superior opposition than we were used to.
We've reduced the tendancy to do that now, so those types of errors have largely gone, but I think that's more down to a change in playing style than a change in goalkeeper.
I think he's the best shot stopper at the club, and obviously the best at dealing with crosses.
I don't have the stats to hand, but I expect we have conceded far more goals from set pieces since he's not played than we did with him.
But, what do I know obvs. |
At Christmas we had conceded the second fewest goals from set pieces in the division.
We're about 4th worst now.
That's not just about the keeper, with recent short corner goals a different issue, but it's hard not to conclude that the keeper plays some part. |  |
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| Muric - Persevere or Not on 20:18 - May 5 with 289 views | TresBonne |
I for one am baffled at some of the replies of this calling Muric the most talented goalkeeper we have at the club - that’s a load of bollox in my opinion, but opinions eh!
To be honest I don’t think we’ll really see much of him in a Town shirt again but he will be here to persevere. If anything, I could see him being no2 with Walton looking to move elsewhere, potentially to another Championship club or back to the likes of Brighton as a backup. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:12 - May 5 with 239 views | ReusersTown |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 13:09 - May 5 by SE1blue |
I’m no fan of Muric but I can also see that he’s a great shot stopper and was brilliant at claiming a ball slung into the box. He is very good at those things.
I just feel like we need a keeper between the sticks who can stay switched on and calm for a full game. Always found his communication to be lacking too and as we try and sort out our defence we need someone reliable in that department.
There’s no mercy in the PL (or in the stands) and maybe Muric now has too much negative credit to be a success for us now. [Post edited 5 May 13:10]
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He's also better with his feet than any other keepers we have, but was being asked to do a more difficult job. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:23 - May 5 with 228 views | Smoresy |
He's proven himself already as a Champ title winner and Team of the Season pick, so it isn't wild to think the man may return to pole position once recovered from his surgery. And yet my gut tells me Clive's right: we won't see Muric competitively again in a Town shirt.
I wonder if he's the exemplary professional, given his car-related offences, his expulsion from the Kosovo team and the refuted allegations surrounding that. I also wonder if he has the desire to prove people wrong here, or if he'd prefer to try to make his point somewhere else. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:23 - May 5 with 227 views | ReusersTown |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:35 - May 5 by DJR |
Without wishing to cast aspersions on Muric, I have seen Palmer live in all but one game and I think he has been proven to be a goalkeeper of Premier League quality.
As regards Muric, I assume it will depend on three things, namely, his confidence, his transfer fee and contract, and McKenna's view of him.
I could see him staying as a number 2 to Palmer., who I think is better with his feet when it comes to playing it out from the back. And being number 2 wouldn't rule him out getting a chance to be No.1, were some fate to befall Palmer. [Post edited 5 May 17:36]
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Absolutely absurd post. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:24 - May 5 with 225 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Persevere. There have been plenty of keepers in the past who've had dodgy spells.
I think David James is a prime example. I just wish our fans were different to every other fan base that vilifies the keeper for a poor spell (e.g.Andy Marshall) which makes it really, really hard to come back with confidence, in the most magnified position on the pitch.
Muric has huge potential. I rate him at 50% possibly of obtaining it, but a more reasonable and less reactive fan base is pivotal to his success. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:37 - May 5 with 199 views | BarcaBlue |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 17:35 - May 5 by DJR |
Without wishing to cast aspersions on Muric, I have seen Palmer live in all but one game and I think he has been proven to be a goalkeeper of Premier League quality.
As regards Muric, I assume it will depend on three things, namely, his confidence, his transfer fee and contract, and McKenna's view of him.
I could see him staying as a number 2 to Palmer., who I think is better with his feet when it comes to playing it out from the back. And being number 2 wouldn't rule him out getting a chance to be No.1, were some fate to befall Palmer. [Post edited 5 May 17:36]
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I haven't seen Palmer live but with that caveat I think we will see a new keeper signed. He's done ok when Muric clearly needed to be benched, and I think his (in)convenient shoulder injury suggests he won't be in a Town shirt again. If we are serious about going back up and staying up I think the bar will be set higher than Palmer. And that probably means getting a new settled keeper in whilst in the Championship. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:51 - May 5 with 182 views | Churchman |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:37 - May 5 by BarcaBlue |
I haven't seen Palmer live but with that caveat I think we will see a new keeper signed. He's done ok when Muric clearly needed to be benched, and I think his (in)convenient shoulder injury suggests he won't be in a Town shirt again. If we are serious about going back up and staying up I think the bar will be set higher than Palmer. And that probably means getting a new settled keeper in whilst in the Championship. |
I think Palmer is fine, especially for the Championship. He does make errors (e.g. the good impression of Gunn’s air kick that should have cost a goal) but all keepers do.
Walton is equally ok. We have enough change to the team over the next few months so I’d leave the keepers alone. Ramsdale would be an upgrade but I’d say £25m would be better spent on a decent midfielder, maybe two of them plus a replacement for Delap with whatever transfer budget we have. |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:57 - May 5 with 167 views | BarcaBlue |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:51 - May 5 by Churchman |
I think Palmer is fine, especially for the Championship. He does make errors (e.g. the good impression of Gunn’s air kick that should have cost a goal) but all keepers do.
Walton is equally ok. We have enough change to the team over the next few months so I’d leave the keepers alone. Ramsdale would be an upgrade but I’d say £25m would be better spent on a decent midfielder, maybe two of them plus a replacement for Delap with whatever transfer budget we have. |
I agree that Palmer is fine, more than fine for the Championship. I just think we may well look for a Premier ready keeper next season.
Ashton, if you're monitoring the board, Joan Garcia at Espanyol is your man. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:09 - May 5 with 136 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 12:46 - May 5 by SE1blue |
Feel like this PL experience has shown the calibre of player needed and Muric isn’t it.
Think it would be a backward step to keep him. People saying the pressure will be off but what happens if we have another nervy promotion run-in?
Cut our losses and build a team better equipped for PL return. |
You believe our other keepers are so much better than him? |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:11 - May 5 with 136 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 21:57 - May 5 by BarcaBlue |
I agree that Palmer is fine, more than fine for the Championship. I just think we may well look for a Premier ready keeper next season.
Ashton, if you're monitoring the board, Joan Garcia at Espanyol is your man. |
You think we can compete with Arsenal and Villa for García.
I agree we need to develop a PL keeper during next season, but maybe better to look closer to home. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:23 - May 5 with 125 views | BarcaBlue |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:11 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You think we can compete with Arsenal and Villa for García.
I agree we need to develop a PL keeper during next season, but maybe better to look closer to home. |
I think he'll go to Chelsea, they've bought about 16 goalkeepers who aren't quite good enough so are probably still in the market. He is a serious talent though and will be in the PL in the next couple of years. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:23 - May 5 with 125 views | bournemouthblue |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:11 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You think we can compete with Arsenal and Villa for García.
I agree we need to develop a PL keeper during next season, but maybe better to look closer to home. |
Who's to say that isn't Palmer in fairness
The reason we are so leaky defensively is Leif can't defend, the cover for Axel isn't good enough and the midfield lacks the mobility to track runners
I think we are probably the hardest to beat with Phillips in the middle but it's at the behest of going forward
We need a PL pair in the middle who can play forward imho at times
We have had a problem balancing the numbers of players going forward versus our defensive stability, it's been a problem all season
That's partly down to mobility and it's partly down to a lack of quality
I still believe our biggest mistake has been not getting another number 9, this would have freed up Delap at times, we could have also lobbed him onto the wing in certain situations
The second mistake was not getting a mobile central midfielder with a high work rate, we needed a Morsy with legs, we didn't do that
I know the alternative to Phillips was Ward-Prowse who may have suited us slightly better but probably wasn't quite the answer either |  |
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| Personally I'd keep him.... on 22:27 - May 5 with 115 views | bazza |
| Personally I'd keep him.... on 13:40 - May 5 by Bloots |
....let him and Palmer battle it out next season.
I don't think he was helped earlier in the season with KM's continued desire to play it out from the back, no matter how tight the situation was. We were still playing that short ball into Morsy despite him being unable to deal with the additional pressure applied by far superior opposition than we were used to.
We've reduced the tendancy to do that now, so those types of errors have largely gone, but I think that's more down to a change in playing style than a change in goalkeeper.
I think he's the best shot stopper at the club, and obviously the best at dealing with crosses.
I don't have the stats to hand, but I expect we have conceded far more goals from set pieces since he's not played than we did with him.
But, what do I know obvs. |
Spot on !! |  | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:42 - May 5 with 88 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:23 - May 5 by bournemouthblue |
Who's to say that isn't Palmer in fairness
The reason we are so leaky defensively is Leif can't defend, the cover for Axel isn't good enough and the midfield lacks the mobility to track runners
I think we are probably the hardest to beat with Phillips in the middle but it's at the behest of going forward
We need a PL pair in the middle who can play forward imho at times
We have had a problem balancing the numbers of players going forward versus our defensive stability, it's been a problem all season
That's partly down to mobility and it's partly down to a lack of quality
I still believe our biggest mistake has been not getting another number 9, this would have freed up Delap at times, we could have also lobbed him onto the wing in certain situations
The second mistake was not getting a mobile central midfielder with a high work rate, we needed a Morsy with legs, we didn't do that
I know the alternative to Phillips was Ward-Prowse who may have suited us slightly better but probably wasn't quite the answer either |
Exactly what I mean when I say look closer to home. Palmer or Muric may be the answer - so work to develop them both. | | | |
| Muric - Persevere or Not on 22:55 - May 5 with 69 views | SouperJim |
Muric has the potential to be the best keeper at the club, but Palmer has been far more consistent. I don't buy the argument that we picked up more points with Muric in goal therefore he's the better keeper, we did that in spite of the points he cost us as we were playing much better as a team. Palmer has outperformed Muric. Despite his potential, I don't think we can risk persevering with Muric as No1. If we can't shift him, make him 3rd choice and wait a year, see if that makes him more amenable to a move or mutual termination. If we go straight back up we should then be looking for someone a cut above both of them anyway. |  |
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