| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. 18:02 - May 10 with 3173 views | TheBoyBlue |
Or buying a striker in January.
Who does he think we should've bought? And if they are good to keep us up, why would they have come to a team playing in League 1 a year earlier? And does he genuinely believe we didn't try? |  |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:27 - May 11 with 680 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 09:54 - May 11 by textbackup |
ššš āitās not my jobā is a cop out?!
You are on another level. Shall I put together a power point for MA and see if heād like to see what Iāve got to say?
My guess is heād think I was autistic and would humour me and pat me on the head like a good little boy.
Jordan Ayew. Experienced PL striker. 100000 times better than AAH. Would have given us more depth.
He went to Leicester. Makes me think there was a chance that going down didnāt worry him.
Not saying he keeps us up, but would you rather have seen him come on or AAH? Be honestā¦ |
There you go, you've finally given a name. Wasn't that difficult was it, so no idea why you felt the need to add in all the silliness.
Jordan Ayew is a decent shout. 5 goals in 28 games for Leicester isn't brilliant but would've been a better shout than AAH. |  |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:43 - May 11 with 646 views | MK1 |
I agree with him. I have been saying all season that we needed experience amongst all that youth. Kieffer Moore should have been kept. Would only have cost a million and all that experience would have been so, so good for the squad. They didn't need to be the best, just a touch of experience, not just for the playing staff, but for the coaching staff as well. We have to remember it was KM's first attempt at the highest level as well. We did alright, just not as good as perhaps we hoped. Experience is vital at that level. A CB, CM and CF with experience within our squad is what we lacked to a degree. Not saying we would have stayed up, just might have had a few more points on the board. |  |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:50 - May 11 with 633 views | textbackup |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 09:55 - May 11 by NedPlimpton |
Love this!
It's also not your job to comment on the club's recruitment strategy yet you do it anyway
It only seems you draw the line between what is and isn't your job when you get challenged on it |
lol brilliant.
Fans since the beginning of football have had opinions on decisions. You plonker |  |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:53 - May 11 with 633 views | textbackup |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:27 - May 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There you go, you've finally given a name. Wasn't that difficult was it, so no idea why you felt the need to add in all the silliness.
Jordan Ayew is a decent shout. 5 goals in 28 games for Leicester isn't brilliant but would've been a better shout than AAH. |
I gave that name months ago.
His return goals wise isnāt amazing, but far better than our initial 3rd choice. I just wonder if his off the ball work/experience might have helped to gel our young attacking options. | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:00 - May 11 with 630 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 09:55 - May 11 by NedPlimpton |
Love this!
It's also not your job to comment on the club's recruitment strategy yet you do it anyway
It only seems you draw the line between what is and isn't your job when you get challenged on it |
May aswell shut down the forum if people arenāt supposed to have opinions on things the club does |  |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:04 - May 11 with 615 views | textbackup |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:00 - May 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
May aswell shut down the forum if people arenāt supposed to have opinions on things the club does |
You can only have an opinion if paid by the club to do so.
His comment actually got an upvote too. | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:14 - May 11 with 610 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:53 - May 11 by textbackup |
I gave that name months ago.
His return goals wise isnāt amazing, but far better than our initial 3rd choice. I just wonder if his off the ball work/experience might have helped to gel our young attacking options. |
I'm afraid I don't follow all your TWTD pearls of wisdom quite as religiously as I should! | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:15 - May 11 with 606 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:00 - May 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
May aswell shut down the forum if people arenāt supposed to have opinions on things the club does |
It's nice if they have an answer/option/suggestion though, otherwise it's just moaning for the sake of moaning. | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:24 - May 11 with 596 views | Jon_456 |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:17 - May 11 by cressi |
One hundred percent right it's ot down to fans to find a striker funny enough it's down to McKenna Ashton and the club and they have failed in the last three windows irrespective of what we think. Regards Cajuste only reason he came here is he failed a medical at Brentford. Funny we can sign plenty of wide players maybe Arteta syndrome can't sign strikers. |
Your comment about Cajuste surely proves the point of the OP, highlighting how difficult it is to sign players for a club in our position. Given the chance, most players are choosing a Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace etc over us all day long.
Itās easy to criticise the club but I think we did as well as we could have done all things considered. Thatās not to say we should have gone into the season with Al-Hamadi as our back up striker but most prem clubs were looking for a striker this summer. | | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:31 - May 11 with 583 views | NedPlimpton |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:04 - May 11 by textbackup |
You can only have an opinion if paid by the club to do so.
His comment actually got an upvote too. |
My point is quite clearly that you have an opinion on one thing, then say it's not your job to have an opinion on another
Apologies that was too difficult to understand |  | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 12:16 - May 11 with 540 views | olimar |
Its a really simplistic view because it allows an easy diagnosis of what went wrong., but dont think its right.
You only have to listen to Craig Bellamys recent comments about Burnleys approach in 2023- they knew that the physicality of the league had gone up, but they also knew that they didnt have the resources available to get players who had that physicality, but also had the technicality and the PL experience.
So they went down the route of replacing their team with players mostly signed from Europe (partly helped by having a management team who had good knowledge of that). And it failed.
We were faced with a similar situation, exacerbated by a.) not having some of the existing PL squad players that Burnley got relegated with and b.) not having the resources that Burnley had either (given they had PL money in the previous two seasons).
So we needed to recruit a lot of players, but we also had a relatively limited budget to do that- wages are a massive massive part of this.
That would present two directions for recruitment- recruit as many experienced players as possible, which would mean several players on really high wages, who likely had no interest in staying if we went down and would have limited resale value, so were both potentially disruptive to the squad balance and also a really high sunk cost. Then, because we wouldnt be able to afford anywhere near the numbers we need, we would have needed to rely very heavily on a much larger core from the promotion season to fill out the squad.
The alternative option was the one we went down- we prioritised a key area where we felt we were weak, Central Midfield, where we had ageing players with no PL experience and did the short term, high investment on two players in that area with good PL/European experience. That neither of them have worked out brilliantly is a different matter, but the profile would be what we were looking for.
We then focussed on really highly rated PL academy prospects and really highly rated Championship players who were looking to step up and all had a potentially high ceiling, were long term and had resale value. Along with some others who were dropping out of the PL. All of which allowed us to bring in a really large number of players to attempt to bridge the gap, with the future value in mind too.
Given that we have one of the best young coaches in Britain, clearly with ability to improve individuals and that the coaching team had a really strong knowledge of the Championship and english football, that made sense.
The suggestion seems to be that we should have found a balance between the two, but Im not really sure that one exists that particularly makes a difference. If we signed 4-5 experienced loanees like Phillips and Cajuste, it would massively impact the rest of the business we would have needed to do and we would likely be relying even more on last years team than we have already (and injuries making that even worse). And if it didnt make any difference as a result, then we end up with a load of money weve invested in players who disappear this summer for zero. [Post edited 11 May 12:29]
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 12:20 - May 11 with 522 views | olimar |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:43 - May 11 by MK1 |
I agree with him. I have been saying all season that we needed experience amongst all that youth. Kieffer Moore should have been kept. Would only have cost a million and all that experience would have been so, so good for the squad. They didn't need to be the best, just a touch of experience, not just for the playing staff, but for the coaching staff as well. We have to remember it was KM's first attempt at the highest level as well. We did alright, just not as good as perhaps we hoped. Experience is vital at that level. A CB, CM and CF with experience within our squad is what we lacked to a degree. Not saying we would have stayed up, just might have had a few more points on the board. |
But if we signed an experienced and PL ready CB, CM and CF on permanent contracts, we likely would have had to go without 6-7 of the players we did sign.
Which would have likely caused us even more problems, given the number of players we knew we needed to replace and the pressure injuries have put on the squad. | | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 13:32 - May 11 with 442 views | textbackup |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 11:31 - May 11 by NedPlimpton |
My point is quite clearly that you have an opinion on one thing, then say it's not your job to have an opinion on another
Apologies that was too difficult to understand |
Donāt be sorry, be better. | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 13:38 - May 11 with 435 views | NedPlimpton |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 13:32 - May 11 by textbackup |
Donāt be sorry, be better. |
Right back at you chap
We move | | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 13:58 - May 11 with 410 views | bournemouthblue |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 22:08 - May 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I wonder if Broja had been fit, signed and played all season how that would have worked out. Wasn't there another potential signing that fell through late on the final day? |
Latte wasn't it, a panic bid I think
I definitely thinl a number 9 whoever that was, would have yielded us more points in the first half of the season
We'd have had more than one home win by now but not get a striker in January when we crying out for one was a fatal mistake imho
And in January we were still in a relegation battle |  |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 14:30 - May 11 with 385 views | olimar |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 08:07 - May 11 by Blue_Heath |
We should be looking at the likes of the teams we aspire to catch e.g. Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton etc. Enciso for example a clear upgrade there must be others out there that are older rather than younger and been displaced as their teams progress. Players that are not world beaters but have PL experience and can do a job in the bottom quarter of the table and would relish the chance to be first choice again. |
Surely by extension, if Brentford, Fulham, Brighton etc have moved on from them, its quite likely they arent quite at the level to make the sort of impact we need. Those experienced players on big contracts wont easily sign for a team facing relegation without getting financial protection and release caluses. Which makes them a very expensive risk. | | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 15:14 - May 11 with 352 views | TheBoyBlue |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 12:16 - May 11 by olimar |
Its a really simplistic view because it allows an easy diagnosis of what went wrong., but dont think its right.
You only have to listen to Craig Bellamys recent comments about Burnleys approach in 2023- they knew that the physicality of the league had gone up, but they also knew that they didnt have the resources available to get players who had that physicality, but also had the technicality and the PL experience.
So they went down the route of replacing their team with players mostly signed from Europe (partly helped by having a management team who had good knowledge of that). And it failed.
We were faced with a similar situation, exacerbated by a.) not having some of the existing PL squad players that Burnley got relegated with and b.) not having the resources that Burnley had either (given they had PL money in the previous two seasons).
So we needed to recruit a lot of players, but we also had a relatively limited budget to do that- wages are a massive massive part of this.
That would present two directions for recruitment- recruit as many experienced players as possible, which would mean several players on really high wages, who likely had no interest in staying if we went down and would have limited resale value, so were both potentially disruptive to the squad balance and also a really high sunk cost. Then, because we wouldnt be able to afford anywhere near the numbers we need, we would have needed to rely very heavily on a much larger core from the promotion season to fill out the squad.
The alternative option was the one we went down- we prioritised a key area where we felt we were weak, Central Midfield, where we had ageing players with no PL experience and did the short term, high investment on two players in that area with good PL/European experience. That neither of them have worked out brilliantly is a different matter, but the profile would be what we were looking for.
We then focussed on really highly rated PL academy prospects and really highly rated Championship players who were looking to step up and all had a potentially high ceiling, were long term and had resale value. Along with some others who were dropping out of the PL. All of which allowed us to bring in a really large number of players to attempt to bridge the gap, with the future value in mind too.
Given that we have one of the best young coaches in Britain, clearly with ability to improve individuals and that the coaching team had a really strong knowledge of the Championship and english football, that made sense.
The suggestion seems to be that we should have found a balance between the two, but Im not really sure that one exists that particularly makes a difference. If we signed 4-5 experienced loanees like Phillips and Cajuste, it would massively impact the rest of the business we would have needed to do and we would likely be relying even more on last years team than we have already (and injuries making that even worse). And if it didnt make any difference as a result, then we end up with a load of money weve invested in players who disappear this summer for zero. [Post edited 11 May 12:29]
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Precisely, only you've put it far better than I ever could! | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 15:21 - May 11 with 342 views | blueoutlook |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 13:58 - May 11 by bournemouthblue |
Latte wasn't it, a panic bid I think
I definitely thinl a number 9 whoever that was, would have yielded us more points in the first half of the season
We'd have had more than one home win by now but not get a striker in January when we crying out for one was a fatal mistake imho
And in January we were still in a relegation battle |
Agreed. Iām not sure why we couldnāt identify a striker from somewhere. The club keeps banging on about it taking time to get recruitment teams sorted and scouts etcā¦.They have had 3 years to start upping their game. How long exactly do they need ? Yes we rose through the leagues fast but Ashton has been saying since day one that foundations were being laid, well three years on and we must have a decent team behind the scenes by now. And Iād think we are ready to look at Europe now for players. Iām not expecting him to come out with the same line that āit takes timeā yet again this summer.
We also need physical, athletic , big players. Not these diminutive,small stature little thin guys. We have plenty of those. They will be no better in the Prem next time if we do go back up, because they will still be too lightweight! |  | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 19:27 - May 11 with 254 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 15:21 - May 11 by blueoutlook |
Agreed. Iām not sure why we couldnāt identify a striker from somewhere. The club keeps banging on about it taking time to get recruitment teams sorted and scouts etcā¦.They have had 3 years to start upping their game. How long exactly do they need ? Yes we rose through the leagues fast but Ashton has been saying since day one that foundations were being laid, well three years on and we must have a decent team behind the scenes by now. And Iād think we are ready to look at Europe now for players. Iām not expecting him to come out with the same line that āit takes timeā yet again this summer.
We also need physical, athletic , big players. Not these diminutive,small stature little thin guys. We have plenty of those. They will be no better in the Prem next time if we do go back up, because they will still be too lightweight! |
It's not just getting these people in position, it also takes time to create networks/make contacts etc. Shopping abroad will save money so you can guarantee they're trying to get the setup up to speed as quick as they can. But equally you can't rush into foreign purchases because there are extra issues.
I'm confident this regime are doing it much more professionally (and eventually fruitfully) than the Evans regime was. | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 19:33 - May 11 with 253 views | HighgateBlue |
I appreciate that bringing someone in in January when the writing was largely on the wall would have been a tough ask.
However, the Premier League experience point is a perfectly good one.
Given that we look like getting fewer points than Luton got, having spent many times more than they did, I think it's fair to say that our transfer policy has not covered us in glory. I don't think fans should have to have ready made successful transfer lists in order to be able to make valid criticisms of a clearly failed approach.
I wonder where we would be without Delap, and separately it would be fascinating to know how many points we would have got if we'd just kept the Championship team (including Omari). |  | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 19:45 - May 11 with 227 views | Tractor_Boy333 |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 10:43 - May 11 by MK1 |
I agree with him. I have been saying all season that we needed experience amongst all that youth. Kieffer Moore should have been kept. Would only have cost a million and all that experience would have been so, so good for the squad. They didn't need to be the best, just a touch of experience, not just for the playing staff, but for the coaching staff as well. We have to remember it was KM's first attempt at the highest level as well. We did alright, just not as good as perhaps we hoped. Experience is vital at that level. A CB, CM and CF with experience within our squad is what we lacked to a degree. Not saying we would have stayed up, just might have had a few more points on the board. |
Moore was just not mobile enough and his first touch was dreadful at times. Heās hardly done much whenever heās had a chance in the premiership and just wasnāt good enough. Better than AAH but he has hardly done anything this season in the championship 5 goals for Sheffield Utd proves he wouldnāt have been good enough.
My guess is he would have wanted decent wages tooā¦he filled in for us when we were desperate but was replaced with Hirst as soon as Hirst could play half a game. [Post edited 11 May 19:48]
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 19:52 - May 11 with 211 views | tcblue |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 19:33 - May 11 by HighgateBlue |
I appreciate that bringing someone in in January when the writing was largely on the wall would have been a tough ask.
However, the Premier League experience point is a perfectly good one.
Given that we look like getting fewer points than Luton got, having spent many times more than they did, I think it's fair to say that our transfer policy has not covered us in glory. I don't think fans should have to have ready made successful transfer lists in order to be able to make valid criticisms of a clearly failed approach.
I wonder where we would be without Delap, and separately it would be fascinating to know how many points we would have got if we'd just kept the Championship team (including Omari). |
I don't think two or even three PL journeymen would've made the difference - as someone else pointed out, those who came in with that haven't been regular starters.
I quite like the fact that we haven't lumbered ourselves with a squad who will get picked apart over the summer (or will have a high average age).
A few summer targets done and have time to integrate into the squad and we're back being competitive in the Champ.
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 19:55 - May 11 with 197 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 19:33 - May 11 by HighgateBlue |
I appreciate that bringing someone in in January when the writing was largely on the wall would have been a tough ask.
However, the Premier League experience point is a perfectly good one.
Given that we look like getting fewer points than Luton got, having spent many times more than they did, I think it's fair to say that our transfer policy has not covered us in glory. I don't think fans should have to have ready made successful transfer lists in order to be able to make valid criticisms of a clearly failed approach.
I wonder where we would be without Delap, and separately it would be fascinating to know how many points we would have got if we'd just kept the Championship team (including Omari). |
I don't think it's fair to say that our transfer policy has not covered us in glory because we got fewer points than Luton, despite spending more than they did. That's a very simplistic view. They played a different, some might spoiling, style to us. Just because it gets a few more points in the Prem doesn't mean it's overall the right strategy. Look what happened afterwards. They couldn't have got it more wrong - they went down... and went down again. They can pat themselves on the back for getting more Prem points than us... while being back in League 1.
Time will tell but I'm confident we won't do that. | |
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| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 20:00 - May 11 with 189 views | 66notout |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 08:28 - May 11 by Simonds92 |
Agree, only criticism I have of our recruitment is the fact we now have a designated recruitment team and we were unable to identify more talent from abroad to help us. The fact we watched Tanaka run the show against our midfield, and we didn't go after him at what was a ridiculously low price was also a concern. |
I have no idea about the ādesignated recruitment teamā of whom you speak. Could you name them please? | | | |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 20:09 - May 11 with 168 views | glasso |
| Guy on the radio going on about us not getting in Premier League experience. on 18:14 - May 10 by blueoutlook |
To be fair,he isnāt wrong is he ? This buying young talent for the future is ok if itās one or two but we got too many in all at once. We could have done with some older heads in there with a bit of prem experience. As for strikers we have needed one for 3 windows now it should really have been sorted from all the data and personnel we seem to have in the building. |
Well, he isn't wrong. But if I said "we should've bought Lamal, Donnarumma and Haaland", I wouldn't be wrong either. | | | |
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