| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing 17:50 - Jun 7 with 2965 views | Woolfenthen |
good god, wake me up when its over |  | | |  |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 17:54 - Jun 7 with 2578 views | Pique |
Utterly tedious isn't it? |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 17:55 - Jun 7 with 2548 views | pointofblue |
Was just thinking... what was Southgate criticised for again? Other than the tactical mess of Greece at home we looked sharper under Carsley than we have at any point under Tuchel. [Post edited 7 Jun 18:42]
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 17:58 - Jun 7 with 2532 views | Woolfenthen |
just so boring, so predictable, so laboured. Whats the point of playing 2 centre halfs in a game like this? | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:02 - Jun 7 with 2501 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 17:54 - Jun 7 by Pique |
Utterly tedious isn't it? |
How can England be so slow? Very little endeavour, risk averse to often. Tepid stuff. |  |
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:07 - Jun 7 with 2453 views | Zx1988 |
With it seeming to be a 'feature' of the England setup that matches against the likes of Andorra, San Marino, Malta et al. are always turgid snoozefests, could it be that the issue sits somewhere other than with the manager? | |
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:14 - Jun 7 with 2405 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:02 - Jun 7 by BlueandTruesince82 |
How can England be so slow? Very little endeavour, risk averse to often. Tepid stuff. |
They have all played a full season, and have a game which is so far below the level usually demanded, its not really surprising.
The season finished.
Time clubs and associations treated it as such. | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:16 - Jun 7 with 2369 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
For some reason I’m watching. I know he’s just scored but Kane had 9 touches of the ball before that! Playing this system against a low block is so crap to watch. I’d like to see England take a leaf out of PSGs book against the higher ranked nations, play with more width and have a go. More of this to come as well, tournaments expanded, poorer sides that will sit back but have a good level of fitness. No wonder everyone finds it so tedious.
All that said poor energy from England who surely should be able to unlock sides like this with ease. Dan Burn and Jordan Henderson in our first 11, really? |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:23 - Jun 7 with 2332 views | Garv |
Other than knockout games (and even then it needs to be the latter stages of a tournament) has international football ever not been boring?
It's not going to change, whoever is the manager and whoever the players are. It will only become interesting if we slip down the rankings so badly we're considered underdogs in more games, but obviously that seems unlikely. [Post edited 7 Jun 22:25]
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:37 - Jun 7 with 2216 views | tonybied |
I think the tactic is to bore the Andorra defence to sleep! |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:41 - Jun 7 with 2180 views | Pique |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:07 - Jun 7 by Zx1988 |
With it seeming to be a 'feature' of the England setup that matches against the likes of Andorra, San Marino, Malta et al. are always turgid snoozefests, could it be that the issue sits somewhere other than with the manager? |
Yes, in a word. It's systemic, and has a lot to do with the way English players seem allergic to taking a man on and getting a cross in from the by-line. I can only assume they're taught this at Premier League level, the logic being that cutting back inside supposedly leads to more goal opportunities, hence the current fad for inverted wingers. In reality, against weaker teams that sit deep, it's a road to nowhere. It's one of the unintended consequences of relying too heavily on a data driven approach.
Madueke has been the only player today to attempt to take a man on, which has led to our best stuff, such as it is. | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:46 - Jun 7 with 2128 views | Ryorry |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:02 - Jun 7 by BlueandTruesince82 |
How can England be so slow? Very little endeavour, risk averse to often. Tepid stuff. |
I think they’ve bored themselves to sleep.
Imagine if Andorra had scored … |  |
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:53 - Jun 7 with 2061 views | Scuzzer |
Dog doo doos. |  |
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:20 - Jun 7 with 1920 views | Churchman |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:46 - Jun 7 by Ryorry |
I think they’ve bored themselves to sleep.
Imagine if Andorra had scored … |
Bored me to turn it over. That was dreadful.
Still, they won and in a rubbish group as long as they do that, job done. |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:25 - Jun 7 with 1897 views | MattinLondon |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:14 - Jun 7 by redrickstuhaart |
They have all played a full season, and have a game which is so far below the level usually demanded, its not really surprising.
The season finished.
Time clubs and associations treated it as such. |
Totally in agreement with you - this game comes after a long hard season and the players probably just want to forget about football for a few weeks.
The friendly match on Tuesday against Senegal is just pointless. |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:26 - Jun 7 with 1887 views | billlm |
It's our international side were rubbish |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:47 - Jun 7 with 1782 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:41 - Jun 7 by Pique |
Yes, in a word. It's systemic, and has a lot to do with the way English players seem allergic to taking a man on and getting a cross in from the by-line. I can only assume they're taught this at Premier League level, the logic being that cutting back inside supposedly leads to more goal opportunities, hence the current fad for inverted wingers. In reality, against weaker teams that sit deep, it's a road to nowhere. It's one of the unintended consequences of relying too heavily on a data driven approach.
Madueke has been the only player today to attempt to take a man on, which has led to our best stuff, such as it is. |
Exactly, our players probably know that the policeman playing at left back likes to take the majority of his passes on his right foot and will prefer to make most plays via their milkman at no6, which is all valuable information. But won't be told to just take on the milkman and put pressure on the postman because you play ten tiers above them. |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:47 - Jun 7 with 1780 views | EuanTown |
It has got to be the players isn't it. |  | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:48 - Jun 7 with 1771 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:41 - Jun 7 by Pique |
Yes, in a word. It's systemic, and has a lot to do with the way English players seem allergic to taking a man on and getting a cross in from the by-line. I can only assume they're taught this at Premier League level, the logic being that cutting back inside supposedly leads to more goal opportunities, hence the current fad for inverted wingers. In reality, against weaker teams that sit deep, it's a road to nowhere. It's one of the unintended consequences of relying too heavily on a data driven approach.
Madueke has been the only player today to attempt to take a man on, which has led to our best stuff, such as it is. |
It’s why PSG were a breathe of fresh air. | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:51 - Jun 7 with 1766 views | Guthrum |
I thought they were quite competitive, decent energy to the play, pressed well. Came close to getting a goal back on a couple of occasions. |  |
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 20:00 - Jun 7 with 1710 views | Pique |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 19:48 - Jun 7 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It’s why PSG were a breathe of fresh air. |
Yes, and Spain at the Euros to a certain extent as well.
We seem stuck in a 2010s fad. Three times at the end Gordon was one-one-one with their left back - beat him and it's an almost certain goal scoring opportunity. Three times he cut back inside and the move broke down.
Are we seriously saying Gordon is incapable of beating an Andorran left back? I can understand it might be a risk against France or Spain because losing it would invite the counter, but even if he fails to beat him (which he really shouldn't nine times out of ten), are we seriously that scared of the Andorran counter? It's kind of laughable. | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 22:26 - Jun 7 with 1363 views | stonojnr |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 18:14 - Jun 7 by redrickstuhaart |
They have all played a full season, and have a game which is so far below the level usually demanded, its not really surprising.
The season finished.
Time clubs and associations treated it as such. |
well you say that, but it never seems to affect any of the other nations playing games at the moment. | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 01:20 - Jun 8 with 1043 views | MVBlue |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 17:55 - Jun 7 by pointofblue |
Was just thinking... what was Southgate criticised for again? Other than the tactical mess of Greece at home we looked sharper under Carsley than we have at any point under Tuchel. [Post edited 7 Jun 18:42]
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Southgate was good for us. Bloody moaners had no gratefulness for such a competitive team unit.
So all the bloody moaners deserve a slow plodding play German manager enjoy. |  |
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| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 01:37 - Jun 8 with 1016 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 01:20 - Jun 8 by MVBlue |
Southgate was good for us. Bloody moaners had no gratefulness for such a competitive team unit.
So all the bloody moaners deserve a slow plodding play German manager enjoy. |
He took us further than a lot of his predecessors (with better talent and very favorable tournament draws) but fell short tactically when it mattered and was too slow to make changes. How we didn’t win against that aging Italian side on home turf I’ll never know. Clearly a very decent bloke and representative of his country though. Tuchel thus far does not excite me. | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 07:32 - Jun 8 with 844 views | Pippin1970 |
No one watches international football now. Life and soul drained out of the team. The days of flags in cars and out of house windows long gone. | | | |
| Well Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate on that showing on 08:06 - Jun 8 with 788 views | Bluesky |
Switched off. Yearning for the days of the test card again. |  | | |
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