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In all seriousness I would struggle to get excited to join Brentford with their new 17,500 seater stadium going from Portman road and fans and history we have. No disrespect to Brantford who have become a really good club and done exceptionally well to stabilise as a Prem club but just can't see them staying a Prem club for years. They don't have the size or fanbase.
We're a bigger club with a big following and I'd hope he would back himself to take us ahead of Brentford.
Wouldn't blame him if he goes though. Right now in pure football squad terms they are ahead.
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 15:27 - Jun 8 by Nutkins_Return
In all seriousness I would struggle to get excited to join Brentford with their new 17,500 seater stadium going from Portman road and fans and history we have. No disrespect to Brantford who have become a really good club and done exceptionally well to stabilise as a Prem club but just can't see them staying a Prem club for years. They don't have the size or fanbase.
We're a bigger club with a big following and I'd hope he would back himself to take us ahead of Brentford.
Wouldn't blame him if he goes though. Right now in pure football squad terms they are ahead.
Would he go there for 17,500 fans? I'd say he'd see Brentford as a useful short-term stepping stone to a bigger club. If he does just a sound job there, I can see a top six club taking a punt on him at a later date. If he sticks with us, he runs the risk of losing his stardust. Many think we'll hit the deck running with us next season, but if we have a sticky start, I can see things turning a bit toxic by October time. I want him to stay, but there's risks of him staying too long here, too.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 15:52 - Jun 8 with 2473 views
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 15:27 - Jun 8 by Nutkins_Return
In all seriousness I would struggle to get excited to join Brentford with their new 17,500 seater stadium going from Portman road and fans and history we have. No disrespect to Brantford who have become a really good club and done exceptionally well to stabilise as a Prem club but just can't see them staying a Prem club for years. They don't have the size or fanbase.
We're a bigger club with a big following and I'd hope he would back himself to take us ahead of Brentford.
Wouldn't blame him if he goes though. Right now in pure football squad terms they are ahead.
Not sure the size of the fanbase is as relevant nowadays as it once was. When you look at the money involved now, the golden goose is from TV and successful player trading, which has proved a bit of a leveller for a lot of those established premier league clubs that traditionally don’t have a huge amount of history. Of course a big global base is helpful, but less helpful than it once was. Look at Bournemouth & Brighton.
From McKenna’s perspective I can see the appeal personally. If he’s to get that United job he might think the only thing he’s lacking is the optics of it, and acceptance of the fan base which will be very important. A couple of semi decent seasons at Brentford might well be the right stepping stone.
Obviously hope he stays, but we should be realistic about how far behind Brentford we are or any of the 17 to be honest.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 16:03 - Jun 8 with 2396 views
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 15:52 - Jun 8 by _clive_baker_
Not sure the size of the fanbase is as relevant nowadays as it once was. When you look at the money involved now, the golden goose is from TV and successful player trading, which has proved a bit of a leveller for a lot of those established premier league clubs that traditionally don’t have a huge amount of history. Of course a big global base is helpful, but less helpful than it once was. Look at Bournemouth & Brighton.
From McKenna’s perspective I can see the appeal personally. If he’s to get that United job he might think the only thing he’s lacking is the optics of it, and acceptance of the fan base which will be very important. A couple of semi decent seasons at Brentford might well be the right stepping stone.
Obviously hope he stays, but we should be realistic about how far behind Brentford we are or any of the 17 to be honest.
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I hate to say it but I think attendances and history are totally irrelevant. As you suggest, tv, infrastructure/trading is the only game in town. They are clearly good at it.
I can see the appeal for McKenna if he’s approached. It’s a perfect stepping stone with far less jeopardy than staying here. They won’t be relegated he’ll have access to far better players than we can bring in.
From his perspective, he’s extracted plenty for his cv from here and stayed long enough to avoid any whiff of jumping ship as Manning has done. The stain of relegation falls on the ridiculous disadvantages the club faced and its own lack of preparedness more than it does any mistakes he might have made. But that could be under scrutiny if we don’t start well.
If offered, I know what I’d do if I were him.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 16:38 - Jun 8 with 2258 views
Is McKenna as good as the departing Brentford manager? I'm not so sure. Brentford have been in or around the top half of the PL for a whole now, but are they a top 6 club? I don't think so.
They have probably reached their ceiling. Therefore the likelihood is the only way now is downwards. If their manager leaves, I can easily see a couple of their better players leaving ....maybe even going to Spurs too.
McKenna would be better to stay at Town and continue to build his squad here. Have we reached our ceiling? No. We're definitely work-in-progress, and progressing by and large very quickly, and well. McKenna is also WIP as a relatively new manager. He showed last season hes not quite at it, at the PL level. Any PL taking him on would expect results immediately. He's not actually under that same level of pressure here.
But as we know, there's sod all loyalty in the game these days, and it's largely about money. So if he does want to leave, just hurry up and do it do we can move on to our next manager.
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 16:38 - Jun 8 by ArnieM
Is McKenna as good as the departing Brentford manager? I'm not so sure. Brentford have been in or around the top half of the PL for a whole now, but are they a top 6 club? I don't think so.
They have probably reached their ceiling. Therefore the likelihood is the only way now is downwards. If their manager leaves, I can easily see a couple of their better players leaving ....maybe even going to Spurs too.
McKenna would be better to stay at Town and continue to build his squad here. Have we reached our ceiling? No. We're definitely work-in-progress, and progressing by and large very quickly, and well. McKenna is also WIP as a relatively new manager. He showed last season hes not quite at it, at the PL level. Any PL taking him on would expect results immediately. He's not actually under that same level of pressure here.
But as we know, there's sod all loyalty in the game these days, and it's largely about money. So if he does want to leave, just hurry up and do it do we can move on to our next manager.
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"We're definitely work-in-progress, and progressing by and large very quickly, and well."
What evidence have you got about our progression? We've just been relegated and we didn't even manage to get a win ( or maybe even a single point) at home this year.
Brentford are a well-run club and their business is based on trading- so selling their best players is part of the process. Think McKenna would be a smart fit for them. Just keep on doing a similar job to what Frank was doing. He doesn't have to get top six to keep his job there - just do a steady job. I think there's more of a risk to stay here because we have a big expectation to turn things around pretty quickly starting from August.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 17:21 - Jun 8 with 2084 views
The main reason to give it a dodge would be if they are selling Mbeumo and Wissa, how will they replace and what will the expectations be? Getting sacked from taking a side that finished 10th to a relegation battle would not look good on his CV.
Of course, he may fancy his chances of replacing them well, taking them higher than 10th and getting a chance of European football management. That, and the higher salary would probably attract him but you never know.
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 15:27 - Jun 8 by Nutkins_Return
In all seriousness I would struggle to get excited to join Brentford with their new 17,500 seater stadium going from Portman road and fans and history we have. No disrespect to Brantford who have become a really good club and done exceptionally well to stabilise as a Prem club but just can't see them staying a Prem club for years. They don't have the size or fanbase.
We're a bigger club with a big following and I'd hope he would back himself to take us ahead of Brentford.
Wouldn't blame him if he goes though. Right now in pure football squad terms they are ahead.
Not sure anyone thought you were being disrespectful towards Brantford, but I'm sure they appreciate the mention though.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 17:21 - Jun 8 by Nthsuffolkblue
The main reason to give it a dodge would be if they are selling Mbeumo and Wissa, how will they replace and what will the expectations be? Getting sacked from taking a side that finished 10th to a relegation battle would not look good on his CV.
Of course, he may fancy his chances of replacing them well, taking them higher than 10th and getting a chance of European football management. That, and the higher salary would probably attract him but you never know.
Would he be on more there than he is here?
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 17:21 - Jun 8 by Nthsuffolkblue
The main reason to give it a dodge would be if they are selling Mbeumo and Wissa, how will they replace and what will the expectations be? Getting sacked from taking a side that finished 10th to a relegation battle would not look good on his CV.
Of course, he may fancy his chances of replacing them well, taking them higher than 10th and getting a chance of European football management. That, and the higher salary would probably attract him but you never know.
Also Mbueno and Wissa have been good for a few years but the last couple of seasons have seen them truly excel, rep lacements may need time to bed in for comparable performance even if Brentford can find a couple of decent prospects in an increasingly pricey and competitive market.
Hopefully there is a 'wait and see' element to McKenna's judgement. If he is successful at a first time promotion back to the Premier League then his stock is higher and if at the same time Amorim has had another torrid season at Man Utd, and Radcliffe if two seasons more sobered by the challenges of ownership of a globally famous football club then the time may be right for McKenna to return but this time as manager. And if at the same time Franck has fallen out big time with Levy...
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 17:21 - Jun 8 by Nthsuffolkblue
The main reason to give it a dodge would be if they are selling Mbeumo and Wissa, how will they replace and what will the expectations be? Getting sacked from taking a side that finished 10th to a relegation battle would not look good on his CV.
Of course, he may fancy his chances of replacing them well, taking them higher than 10th and getting a chance of European football management. That, and the higher salary would probably attract him but you never know.
Take Frank, Mbeumo and Wissa out of Brentford, and it’s not out of the realms that we swap places with them next year.
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 17:55 - Jun 8 by Chris_ITFC
Take Frank, Mbeumo and Wissa out of Brentford, and it’s not out of the realms that we swap places with them next year.
Nathan Collins has been linked with pretty much every team in the top 6 as well, so those 3 leave and you’re looking at the big chunk of their spine of the team leaving.
Their recruitment is very good so you’d expect decent replacements, but if they didn’t hit the ground running then it could be a long season for them.
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 18:07 - Jun 8 by Kieran_Knows
Nathan Collins has been linked with pretty much every team in the top 6 as well, so those 3 leave and you’re looking at the big chunk of their spine of the team leaving.
Their recruitment is very good so you’d expect decent replacements, but if they didn’t hit the ground running then it could be a long season for them.
I don’t think so. Their recruitment is excellent and let’s face it, the gap between the established clubs and promoted is a chasm. Leeds might come close, but I doubt the other two will go any better than last season’s promoted teams. I suspect Brentford’s second string squad members now are stronger than those two.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 19:26 - Jun 8 with 1671 views
Brentford, Fulham, Wolves and Bournemouth are 2 bad signings and a bad managerial appointment away from relegation. That said, I think Brentford would be a good stepping stone for him. If he takes Davis and Hutchinson for £80M with him, then that would be a nice parting present for us.
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 17:13 - Jun 8 by franz_tyson
"We're definitely work-in-progress, and progressing by and large very quickly, and well."
What evidence have you got about our progression? We've just been relegated and we didn't even manage to get a win ( or maybe even a single point) at home this year.
Brentford are a well-run club and their business is based on trading- so selling their best players is part of the process. Think McKenna would be a smart fit for them. Just keep on doing a similar job to what Frank was doing. He doesn't have to get top six to keep his job there - just do a steady job. I think there's more of a risk to stay here because we have a big expectation to turn things around pretty quickly starting from August.
Progress from where we've come from when McKenna first joined us. I'd have thought was crystal clear even to a blind man!!
Getting knocked out of the FA cup to much lower league team, entrenched as a mid table League One club, with players that had little or no sell on value, zero entertainment, dwindling attendances at PR. A training facility stuck at level a League One club would question, an academy that had little or no chance of achieving Cat 1 status. Financial backing to a level, that many other PL would like!
The days of searching around bargain basements deals is no longer the case. We are constrained only by financial rules. Shirt sales of over 100k ( reported recently, regarding the 3rd Pink kit)...
I think Brentford is a decent job. If he goes I will understand.
I hope he doesn't but I wouldn't blame him if he had a few regrets about not going to Brighton. Their loss is our gain and hopefully we can keep him but if a team like Brentford come calling it wouldn't surprise me if he takes it this time.
Plus Frank isn't a manager he's a coach. He doesn't have any say in the players the club buys, he's given the players and expected to coach them. Not sure that model is best for KM.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 21:47 - Jun 8 with 1289 views
I would say that is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Frank has done so well there that nothing better than the same is no good for them.
Just like I said he wouldn't go last season... He wont go this season either. His value has dropped a lot after last season and he will be keen to build it right up again with 2 or 3 magical signings. Hopefully a Delap and Hutchinson and not a Scarlett or Godfrey.
Also hope the brighton transfer model we use pays off again.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 15:42 - Jun 8 by franz_tyson
Would he go there for 17,500 fans? I'd say he'd see Brentford as a useful short-term stepping stone to a bigger club. If he does just a sound job there, I can see a top six club taking a punt on him at a later date. If he sticks with us, he runs the risk of losing his stardust. Many think we'll hit the deck running with us next season, but if we have a sticky start, I can see things turning a bit toxic by October time. I want him to stay, but there's risks of him staying too long here, too.
Too long?
Sir Bobby did over a decade.
Its only too long in Kieran's case if the fans get toxic and lose patience. That remains in our gift.
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 09:53 - Jun 9 with 861 views
Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 20:20 - Jun 8 by J2BLUE
I think Brentford is a decent job. If he goes I will understand.
I hope he doesn't but I wouldn't blame him if he had a few regrets about not going to Brighton. Their loss is our gain and hopefully we can keep him but if a team like Brentford come calling it wouldn't surprise me if he takes it this time.
I'd imagine he might have learnt his lesson RE Brighton and Palace to add that into the mix.
Must have been watching the FA Cup final thinking what if!
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Reasons why McKenna shouldn’t go to Brentford on 15:27 - Jun 8 by Nutkins_Return
In all seriousness I would struggle to get excited to join Brentford with their new 17,500 seater stadium going from Portman road and fans and history we have. No disrespect to Brantford who have become a really good club and done exceptionally well to stabilise as a Prem club but just can't see them staying a Prem club for years. They don't have the size or fanbase.
We're a bigger club with a big following and I'd hope he would back himself to take us ahead of Brentford.
Wouldn't blame him if he goes though. Right now in pure football squad terms they are ahead.
Luckily he still has a job considering all other clubs at the bottom end of prem got rid of their manager!
But if he goes- please don’t say they are a Big club!
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