| If McKenna goes.... 10:19 - Jun 10 with 10527 views | itfcjoe |
Just looking at manager markets for Brentford, Leicester and Boro to see who is seen as available and of the right sort of level if McKenna does end up poached.
Some names, in no particular order
Danny Rohl
Michael Carrick
Steven Gerrard
Sean Dyche
Steve Cooper
Gary O'Neil
Rob Edwards
Marti Cifuentes
Liam Rosenior
Edin Terzic
Ralph Hassenhutl
Do you think this misses anyone? I could easily totally rule a few of them out for one reason or another, but if going with anyone with a track record [and season so important you'd have to]. not sure who else would be on any list |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 11:26 - Jun 10 with 1862 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:21 - Jun 10 by gainsboroughblue |
He tried to go toe to toe with us at PR last year and got spanked 6-0.
With a better set of players he may flourish. Certainly the stand out of the names mentioned if the worst happens. |
Yep that game does stick in the mind.
We ripped them apart that day. He had a lot of good things to say about the club after the game iirc. |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 11:32 - Jun 10 with 1816 views | portmanking |
If I'm honest, none of them really hold a candle to KMac in terms of people skills, tactical smarts and knowing the club inside out. It's a depressing thought.
Of all the potential destinations, I did not expect him to go to f00king Brentford who have already hit their glass ceiling.
There's so much damage he could do to his reputation there. It'd be a struggle just to maintain what Frank has achieved IMO. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:37 - Jun 10 with 1763 views | SomethingBlue |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:32 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
If I'm honest, none of them really hold a candle to KMac in terms of people skills, tactical smarts and knowing the club inside out. It's a depressing thought.
Of all the potential destinations, I did not expect him to go to f00king Brentford who have already hit their glass ceiling.
There's so much damage he could do to his reputation there. It'd be a struggle just to maintain what Frank has achieved IMO. |
On the other hand, you keep them in mid-table for a couple of years and that pretty much lands you a top-eight job. They're well set up recruitment wise and, even if they won't ever get any bigger, it's a good environment to work in and a very tolerant fanbase. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 11:40 - Jun 10 with 1713 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:37 - Jun 10 by SomethingBlue |
On the other hand, you keep them in mid-table for a couple of years and that pretty much lands you a top-eight job. They're well set up recruitment wise and, even if they won't ever get any bigger, it's a good environment to work in and a very tolerant fanbase. |
But a top 10 finish won't be as easy for them next year, surely? Everton, Spurs, (dare I say United?) and even Crystal Palace should finish above them. Their fans aren't enamoured by appointing McKenna according to their main forum.
If he finishes 13th/14th with them, no-one will be clamouring for him to take charge of a Chelsea or Spurs in 12-18 months' time. Plus he'll be viewed as a worse manager than Frank in the eyes of their fans.
I don't doubt it's a good environment to work in - it's what's got them to punch above their weight - but I think it's fraught with as much (if not more) danger than trying to bounce back with us with parachute payments. | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:43 - Jun 10 with 1673 views | BondiBlue |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:15 - Jun 10 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Depends on the alternative.
Cooper I don't think there could be many complaints. Seems to cover a few bases, works with young players as well.
Names like O'Neil, Edwards, Gerrard (heaven forbid). I think you are better off taking a risk. |
I'd be alright with cooper. Rohl's just issued a come-and-get me to the entire bundesliga so looks like he's keen for a move home. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 11:49 - Jun 10 with 1608 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Roll or Terzic from that list for me. Rosenior perhaps too. I think with what he has done for no Money at Weds Rohl would be my choice, as long we dont sign Barry Bannen to come with him |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 11:52 - Jun 10 with 1579 views | SomethingBlue |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:40 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
But a top 10 finish won't be as easy for them next year, surely? Everton, Spurs, (dare I say United?) and even Crystal Palace should finish above them. Their fans aren't enamoured by appointing McKenna according to their main forum.
If he finishes 13th/14th with them, no-one will be clamouring for him to take charge of a Chelsea or Spurs in 12-18 months' time. Plus he'll be viewed as a worse manager than Frank in the eyes of their fans.
I don't doubt it's a good environment to work in - it's what's got them to punch above their weight - but I think it's fraught with as much (if not more) danger than trying to bounce back with us with parachute payments. |
It gives him a PL job with a massive head start over the likely relegation candidates, though. The riskier option would absolutely lie in staying here – yes there is absolutely the potential here for us to be bigger/better than Brentford in a few years, but if we narrowly miss out on going up (perfectly possible) then he's basically done for the foreseeable future as a candidate for the good jobs. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 11:53 - Jun 10 with 1548 views | textbackup |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:32 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
If I'm honest, none of them really hold a candle to KMac in terms of people skills, tactical smarts and knowing the club inside out. It's a depressing thought.
Of all the potential destinations, I did not expect him to go to f00king Brentford who have already hit their glass ceiling.
There's so much damage he could do to his reputation there. It'd be a struggle just to maintain what Frank has achieved IMO. |
So KM couldn’t help them break that glass ceiling? |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 11:57 - Jun 10 with 1486 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:52 - Jun 10 by SomethingBlue |
It gives him a PL job with a massive head start over the likely relegation candidates, though. The riskier option would absolutely lie in staying here – yes there is absolutely the potential here for us to be bigger/better than Brentford in a few years, but if we narrowly miss out on going up (perfectly possible) then he's basically done for the foreseeable future as a candidate for the good jobs. |
He's had a hand in every new infrastructure project here. He's helped design and build the new training ground. (Most) of the players in the squad are here to work/learn with him. The club has been built around him. Brentford would be a very different remit. Their budget/salary structure is one of the lowest in the PL too. They are smart operators but there's a reason why Frank is moving on.
I dunno. I just feel like Kieran strikes me as a guy that likes the idea of building something rather than leaving with a job half-finished. | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:58 - Jun 10 with 1469 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:53 - Jun 10 by textbackup |
So KM couldn’t help them break that glass ceiling? |
That depends, doesn't it? How deep are Brentford's pockets? | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:00 - Jun 10 with 1424 views | PioneerBlue |
The man at that non ordered list according to Ai :
Tactical Flexibility:
Röhl is known for his flexible approach, frequently adjusting formations and tactics based on the opponent, although the 3-4-2-1 formation has been the most used.
High-Tempo, High-Intensity:
His teams play with a high tempo, characterized by quick transitions and high-intensity play.
Defensive Structure:
Röhl's teams are defensively resolute, with a strong emphasis on structured pressing and swift recoveries.
Exploiting the Flanks:
Attacks often target the flanks, with full-backs playing a key role in crossing and attacking the box.
Crowding Central Areas:
His teams often aim to control central midfield areas, compressing space and limiting the opposition's ability to play between the lines.
Transition Moments:
Röhl's teams are known for their ability to capitalize on transition moments.
Decision-Making on the Pitch:
Röhl encourages players to make decisions on the pitch, understanding their teammates' strengths and weaknesses.
Balancing Ground and Direct Play:
He recognizes the importance of both ground play and direct play, but emphasizes the need to use each approach in the right moments.
Active Front-Foot Defending:
Röhl emphasizes active front-foot defending, pushing players to press high up the pitch and win the ball back in dangerous areas.
Improving Ball Possession:
He also focuses on improving ball possession and creating chances through well-structured play. | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:01 - Jun 10 with 1413 views | NedPlimpton |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:58 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
That depends, doesn't it? How deep are Brentford's pockets? |
They'll be even deeper after the sell Mbeumo
Brentford finished 9 points away from qualifying for Europe. I definitely don't think they've hit their glass ceiling as you've said.
Get Brentford into Europe and McKenna would be considered for any job he wanted |  | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:02 - Jun 10 with 1381 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:01 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
They'll be even deeper after the sell Mbeumo
Brentford finished 9 points away from qualifying for Europe. I definitely don't think they've hit their glass ceiling as you've said.
Get Brentford into Europe and McKenna would be considered for any job he wanted |
I'll be gobsmacked if they are in European contention in 2025/26. | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:08 - Jun 10 with 1298 views | NedPlimpton |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:02 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
I'll be gobsmacked if they are in European contention in 2025/26. |
I guarantee you thought the same about Forest last year | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:10 - Jun 10 with 1278 views | portmanking |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:08 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
I guarantee you thought the same about Forest last year |
Forest bought multiple elite-level players (and paid far more than Brentford ever have to secure them). | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:12 - Jun 10 with 1235 views | NedPlimpton |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:10 - Jun 10 by portmanking |
Forest bought multiple elite-level players (and paid far more than Brentford ever have to secure them). |
But were still one of the bookies favourites to go down
There's very little between the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Forest, Palace etc. All it takes is for the right appointment and any one of them can challenge for Europe as we've seen | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:14 - Jun 10 with 1202 views | _clive_baker_ |
A lot of names on there I wouldn't like to see in the dugout to be honest. Gerrard, Carrick, O'Neil, Hassenhutl.
Steve Cooper wouldn't be the most sexy appointment but potentially a shrewd one. He's got good experience working with younger players and has a Championship promotion on his CV. He was a bit unlucky at Leicester IMO, they certainly haven't improved since he left.
I think we've got a squad that would really suit him as well with the amount of attacking options. |  | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:14 - Jun 10 with 1196 views | Churchman |
Rohl or Cifuentes. The rest? Gerrard?? Dear god, no. Carrick? Zzzz. Failed at Middlesbrough, why would he do any better here? Dyche knows his stuff but is he really what we need? Not convinced by Rosenior either.
The rest? Nah.
How about going left field: Cole Skuse? Did well last year, knows the club and the area. I’ll get my coat… |  | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:16 - Jun 10 with 1171 views | JimmyJazz |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:12 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
But were still one of the bookies favourites to go down
There's very little between the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Forest, Palace etc. All it takes is for the right appointment and any one of them can challenge for Europe as we've seen |
Or the wrong appointment (not a reference to KM) and with a few key players leaving it could go pear shaped easily and be next season's Wolves (when under O'Neil) |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:18 - Jun 10 with 1159 views | LeightonBuzzardBlue |
I know he'll probably leave with KMc if he goes, but my dark horse candidate would be Martyn Pert.
Love the idea of an internal promotion - knows the players, knows the ethos, has been a big part of the vision.
I know it's unlikely, but I haven't seen anyone mention him so think it's interesting to think about |  | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:25 - Jun 10 with 1085 views | tetchris |
Rohl has already publicly stated he wants to go back to Germany asap not stay in the UK | | | |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:25 - Jun 10 with 1090 views | _clive_baker_ |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:12 - Jun 10 by NedPlimpton |
But were still one of the bookies favourites to go down
There's very little between the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Forest, Palace etc. All it takes is for the right appointment and any one of them can challenge for Europe as we've seen |
There's very little between anyone outside of the top 6 or bottom 3 to be honest. The best 6 sides finished in the top 6 and the worst 3 finished in the bottom 3.
Of the other 11 I'd agree there's not a lot between them. Perhaps Wolves, Everton and West Ham towards the lower end. Theoretically Spurs and United should be near the upper. As a 'mini league' if Brentford can finish in the top half of that 11 its a mid table finish. Frank's managed 13th, 9th, 16th, 10th. They've done incredibly well to establish themselves in that group, I wouldn't say its unthinkable that McKenna could carry that on and have them in the 8th - 13th sort of range. Going beyond that will be very hard though. It would still probably place him well for the United job at some point. [Post edited 10 Jun 12:26]
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:27 - Jun 10 with 1076 views | SitfcB |
| If McKenna goes.... on 11:53 - Jun 10 by textbackup |
So KM couldn’t help them break that glass ceiling? |
Without being biased I think it would be a strange move. It’s looking like they’re going to lose their three best players as well as their manager and coaching staff - can see that causing them to drop a bit and be in a relegation battle next season. |  |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:28 - Jun 10 with 1058 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If McKenna goes.... on 12:18 - Jun 10 by LeightonBuzzardBlue |
I know he'll probably leave with KMc if he goes, but my dark horse candidate would be Martyn Pert.
Love the idea of an internal promotion - knows the players, knows the ethos, has been a big part of the vision.
I know it's unlikely, but I haven't seen anyone mention him so think it's interesting to think about |
Don't think Pert has any interest in being the main man | |
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| If McKenna goes.... on 12:30 - Jun 10 with 1037 views | burnbudgiesburn |
My 2 prefered options would be Rohl and Rosenior
But debatable whether we could get either - would we pay the reported £10m release clause for him and his staff? ( he's also reportedly talked to Wolfsburg)
Not sure we could tempt Rosenior away from Strasbourg either. | | | |
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