| Casey report on grooming gangs 06:53 - Jun 17 with 4690 views | bluelagos |
So many issues raised but for me, the most appalling aspect is that thousands of victims were themselves given cautions by the police.
Children, abused, raped and then when they spoke out, criminalised by a justice system that was supposed to protect them.
Wonder how many of those involved will be held to account? Think we all know the answer to that. |  |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 12:28 - Jun 17 with 848 views | Kievthegreat |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 10:25 - Jun 17 by Bluecoin |
Sneering at the working class. You remember. I do.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with laughing at racist EDL members who are so pissed they can't string together 3 words. Class doesn't come into it unless you're desperate to try and brush under the carpet that you're leaping to the defence of a racist piece of sh!t. |  | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:08 - Jun 17 with 782 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 07:10 - Jun 17 by Bluecoin |
There will be social workers, teachers, councillors, politicians and police who are hopefully named, shamed, and jailed. The public demand accountability, and will get it.
And never forget, Labour voted against this enquiry. They don't want it despite what they are saying now. Don't be gaslit. |
And the Tories sat on the initial report for 10 years, doing absolutely naff all.
How Kemikaze Badenough has the naffing nerve to try to politicise this is quite beyond me. I guess some people are thick enough to blame the govt who have only been around a year, and who are now starting to sort out yet another Tory mess. |  | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:15 - Jun 17 with 764 views | RegencyBlue |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 12:05 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue |
i don't think it gets as far as a cover up. it was more wishful thinking - as in we all just wish all this would go away. i think for all sorts of politicians it became too hot to touch - they were worried that exposing what went on would lead to social unrest (the oiks would get oiky to put it progressive terms), that councillors from their own party will be exposed as having turned a blind eye to a huge scale of child abuse, that some mps with narrow majorities will suffer (very very sadly i don't think jess phillips, who i like a lot, comes out of this well), and that the best way to promote multi- culturalism is just to ignore anything difficult. they dug their heels in and thought that calling anyone who disagreed a racist would be enough to make it all go away. |
That pretty much describes a cover up to me but, whatever we call it, it’s an absolute disgrace, and heads need to roll. Not just the low hanging fruit either, there is no way this was allowed to happen without significant ‘top cover’! |  | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:18 - Jun 17 with 735 views | lowhouseblue |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 12:28 - Jun 17 by Kievthegreat |
I don't think there's anything wrong with laughing at racist EDL members who are so pissed they can't string together 3 words. Class doesn't come into it unless you're desperate to try and brush under the carpet that you're leaping to the defence of a racist piece of sh!t. |
it's too late for the "racist piece of sh!t" line. it worked as a distraction for a bit, but no longer. equally, calling it a "far-right bandwagon" or a "dog whistle" are very last month. it's now recognised as an appalling child abuse scandal and every right thinking person now welcomes the national enquiry. so time to drop the racist play line. |  |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:21 - Jun 17 with 732 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 07:10 - Jun 17 by Bluecoin |
There will be social workers, teachers, councillors, politicians and police who are hopefully named, shamed, and jailed. The public demand accountability, and will get it.
And never forget, Labour voted against this enquiry. They don't want it despite what they are saying now. Don't be gaslit. |
If only your outrage was equally applied |  | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:26 - Jun 17 with 705 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 10:46 - Jun 17 by Bluecoin |
Swansea won't be the only one getting selective amnesia over the next few months.
Lucky the Internet has receipts. |
So you agree with all his statements?
FFS what bollox to raise this | | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:26 - Jun 17 with 697 views | textbackup |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 12:23 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe |
I was listening to a pod the other day, and there was a lady on it and their granddaughter had been abused - one day she had left school during the day, the Gran had reported it to the police, she was then found the following night in a house with 7 or 8 men with a friend, both totally drunk [think they were 13/14] and the girls were arrested whilst nothing happened to the men. How does something like that happen? |
It happens out of fear. Fear of what kicks off, or what would happen if they arrested or investigated the ‘men’ |  |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:26 - Jun 17 with 701 views | DanTheMan |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:18 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue |
it's too late for the "racist piece of sh!t" line. it worked as a distraction for a bit, but no longer. equally, calling it a "far-right bandwagon" or a "dog whistle" are very last month. it's now recognised as an appalling child abuse scandal and every right thinking person now welcomes the national enquiry. so time to drop the racist play line. |
He's at least pretty misinformed.
"I want Britain to be about British" doesn't mean anything.
When talking about Muslims wanting to "get their law over our country" I assume they mean Sharia law which I'm fairly sure hasn't happened.
And then it's just tying the gangs to being Muslim. Is that their primary identifier?
I'm not sure we should be holding this guy up as if he were completely right. |  |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:30 - Jun 17 with 679 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:18 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue |
it's too late for the "racist piece of sh!t" line. it worked as a distraction for a bit, but no longer. equally, calling it a "far-right bandwagon" or a "dog whistle" are very last month. it's now recognised as an appalling child abuse scandal and every right thinking person now welcomes the national enquiry. so time to drop the racist play line. |
I believe Kiev is referencing the video on it's own merits
Should we now believe all his claims | | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:39 - Jun 17 with 638 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:21 - Jun 17 by reusersfreekicks |
If only your outrage was equally applied |
Quite. Where is the outrage and enquiry into why children and young people are unable to get mental health support anymore in this country and the thousands or tens of thousands being seriously damaged or even comitting suicide every year because of it? | | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:41 - Jun 17 with 621 views | lowhouseblue |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:26 - Jun 17 by DanTheMan |
He's at least pretty misinformed.
"I want Britain to be about British" doesn't mean anything.
When talking about Muslims wanting to "get their law over our country" I assume they mean Sharia law which I'm fairly sure hasn't happened.
And then it's just tying the gangs to being Muslim. Is that their primary identifier?
I'm not sure we should be holding this guy up as if he were completely right. |
i'm not holding him up for anything - i just think dismissing people who have highlighted this issue as racist, whatever their level of articulacy and whatever their accent, always was a very big error.
for me, the ethnicity issue is secondary. the scandal for me is that state institutions - the police, social services, social workers, many councillors, many politicians - systematically turned a blind eye in city after city. hopefully the enquiry will identify the reasons for that institutional failure and hold those who were incompetent and unprofessional to account. clearly men of pakistani heritage seem to be over-represented amongst offenders - sensitivity to that racial element, and the perceived threat to multiculturalism because of it, seems to be an element explaining institutional failure. the enquiry will clarify.
we do have sharia courts in the uk - they operate on a voluntary basis and have no official jurisdiction, but are chosen by some as an alternative to uk judicial routes. that doesn't necessarily help social integration. | |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 15:00 - Jun 17 with 529 views | flykickingbybgunn |
I would like to see a full enquiry as to what went wrong. It should cover from top to bottom.
At the same time investigations should take place into previous complaints on this matter and if these also reveal aiding and abetting the crimes then those responsible should also be prosecuted. Nobody that is guilty should be safe.
These investigations should NOT be conducted by the local police forces. Bring in Suffolk to look at Rochdale, Norfolk for Bradford etc, etc.
This is most emphatically not a racist thing. I have two daughters. This about protecting the vulnerable. |  | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:06 - Jun 17 with 458 views | Herbivore |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:15 - Jun 17 by RegencyBlue |
That pretty much describes a cover up to me but, whatever we call it, it’s an absolute disgrace, and heads need to roll. Not just the low hanging fruit either, there is no way this was allowed to happen without significant ‘top cover’! |
I don't think the "top cover" has been very effective, given how widely this issue has been reported on over the last decade, and the number of reviews and inquiries that have already taken place and which have addressed many of the issues you've touched upon. Nobody disagrees that what happened is terrible and shouldn't happen again, what people disagree on is whether yet another inquiry is the best way forward or whether the time, money, and energy would be better directed on actual action to address the identified failings.
The victims themselves are heavily split on this issue, I've seen several questioning what the point of another inquiry is. Some have welcomed it. I take issue with those who are trying to make out like wanting an inquiry is somehow the only right and proper position to hold on this, that paints many of the victims as being in the wrong for thinking this isn't the best approach. That last bit is not aimed at you specifically, another poster has made a claim along those lines though and it's rather offensive. |  |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:23 - Jun 17 with 425 views | lowhouseblue |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:06 - Jun 17 by Herbivore |
I don't think the "top cover" has been very effective, given how widely this issue has been reported on over the last decade, and the number of reviews and inquiries that have already taken place and which have addressed many of the issues you've touched upon. Nobody disagrees that what happened is terrible and shouldn't happen again, what people disagree on is whether yet another inquiry is the best way forward or whether the time, money, and energy would be better directed on actual action to address the identified failings.
The victims themselves are heavily split on this issue, I've seen several questioning what the point of another inquiry is. Some have welcomed it. I take issue with those who are trying to make out like wanting an inquiry is somehow the only right and proper position to hold on this, that paints many of the victims as being in the wrong for thinking this isn't the best approach. That last bit is not aimed at you specifically, another poster has made a claim along those lines though and it's rather offensive. |
well most of the last decade, right up to about a week ago, has involved anyone raising the topic being labelled a racist. all these reviews and enquiries that have taken place - who has been held to account? we have a failure of state institutions on an enormous scale with tens of thousands of children being abused and raped over decades and a systematic failure of state institutions - the police, social workers, social service departments, councils to act to protect them. who has been found negligent, or to have fallen below professional standards, who has lost their job or been disciplined? what about the professional bodies and those charged with overseeing standards in the public sector? why did those bodies fail to promote professional standards? was police and social worker training at fault? did it emphasise not challenging cultural differences over child protection? did those institutions prioritise 'community relations' over child protection - and if so where did such appalling decisions originate from? the idea that we've looked into this all before and it's all ben dealt with is just nonsense. it's the state institutions covering their backs. no one and no institutions have so far been held to account. | |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:32 - Jun 17 with 406 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:23 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue |
well most of the last decade, right up to about a week ago, has involved anyone raising the topic being labelled a racist. all these reviews and enquiries that have taken place - who has been held to account? we have a failure of state institutions on an enormous scale with tens of thousands of children being abused and raped over decades and a systematic failure of state institutions - the police, social workers, social service departments, councils to act to protect them. who has been found negligent, or to have fallen below professional standards, who has lost their job or been disciplined? what about the professional bodies and those charged with overseeing standards in the public sector? why did those bodies fail to promote professional standards? was police and social worker training at fault? did it emphasise not challenging cultural differences over child protection? did those institutions prioritise 'community relations' over child protection - and if so where did such appalling decisions originate from? the idea that we've looked into this all before and it's all ben dealt with is just nonsense. it's the state institutions covering their backs. no one and no institutions have so far been held to account. |
Is it really tens of thousands?
Must admit i haven't come across that horrific stat | | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:50 - Jun 17 with 390 views | strikalite |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 12:23 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe |
I was listening to a pod the other day, and there was a lady on it and their granddaughter had been abused - one day she had left school during the day, the Gran had reported it to the police, she was then found the following night in a house with 7 or 8 men with a friend, both totally drunk [think they were 13/14] and the girls were arrested whilst nothing happened to the men. How does something like that happen? |
Let's be honest here, a certain man was calling this out for YEARS, you're not allowed to even mention his name on here though... |  | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:51 - Jun 17 with 382 views | lowhouseblue |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:32 - Jun 17 by reusersfreekicks |
Is it really tens of thousands?
Must admit i haven't come across that horrific stat |
i guess one of the tasks of the enquiry will be to come up with a figure. i'm quoting the number given on the bbc world at one on radio 4 today. i think that rather vague ball park figure is simply based on the previous localised enquiries. | |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:09 - Jun 17 with 340 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:51 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue |
i guess one of the tasks of the enquiry will be to come up with a figure. i'm quoting the number given on the bbc world at one on radio 4 today. i think that rather vague ball park figure is simply based on the previous localised enquiries. |
Mind blowingly tragic | | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:24 - Jun 17 with 305 views | Mullet |
Whilst I see lowhouse is trumpeting the weaponising of grooming gangs, much like the far right have been, I’m still yet to see these people explain why a new inquiry was needed instead of the recommendations being implemented from the last one. Why there was no anger or calls towards the Tories who buried it and tried to send it into the long grass.
I can’t decide if Labours recent attempts to call their bluff now is a long term election strategy or panic. But the crackpot on here going on about teachers specifically clearly doesn’t know how safeguarding works in schools, or the amount of stuff we’ve had to do since these crimes. The lack of joined up thinking towards the politics and the on the ground practice is depressing.
The desire for blood I get, but there seems little talk of justice or restorative practice here or in the media. A minority here, and on social media, seem to want their own personal victory or satisfaction in this issue and that’s terrifying in the main. |  |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:30 - Jun 17 with 283 views | Mullet |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:50 - Jun 17 by strikalite |
Let's be honest here, a certain man was calling this out for YEARS, you're not allowed to even mention his name on here though... |
Andrew Norfolk? (RIP)
A brilliant piece of investigative journalism and whose work should be widely shared and read by everyone. He’s the forgotten man who can no longer speak on this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ge33q71q7o.amp
If you’re trying to suggest Yaxley Lennon was “calling this out” for any other reason than racism and a distraction from deep rooted child sex offences in the EDL and his friendship groups, that’s way wide of the mark. | |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:37 - Jun 17 with 259 views | lowhouseblue |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:24 - Jun 17 by Mullet |
Whilst I see lowhouse is trumpeting the weaponising of grooming gangs, much like the far right have been, I’m still yet to see these people explain why a new inquiry was needed instead of the recommendations being implemented from the last one. Why there was no anger or calls towards the Tories who buried it and tried to send it into the long grass.
I can’t decide if Labours recent attempts to call their bluff now is a long term election strategy or panic. But the crackpot on here going on about teachers specifically clearly doesn’t know how safeguarding works in schools, or the amount of stuff we’ve had to do since these crimes. The lack of joined up thinking towards the politics and the on the ground practice is depressing.
The desire for blood I get, but there seems little talk of justice or restorative practice here or in the media. A minority here, and on social media, seem to want their own personal victory or satisfaction in this issue and that’s terrifying in the main. |
"Whilst I see lowhouse is trumpeting the weaponising of grooming gangs, much like the far right have been"
i can't be bothered to report abuse. plus, if that's really how you read what i've posted then i clearly need to make allowances for reading not being your thing.
continuing to treat this as something the far right has invented, ,or weaponised or as some sort of racist dog whistle, simply ignores entirely casey's report and the fact that state institutions, including the police and social workers, have failed vulnerable children on an enormous and decades long basis. if your politics blind you to that then shame on you. if even caesy's report doesn't cause you to look at it afresh then your mind is closed to reason. | |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:50 - Jun 17 with 215 views | Mullet |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:37 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue |
"Whilst I see lowhouse is trumpeting the weaponising of grooming gangs, much like the far right have been"
i can't be bothered to report abuse. plus, if that's really how you read what i've posted then i clearly need to make allowances for reading not being your thing.
continuing to treat this as something the far right has invented, ,or weaponised or as some sort of racist dog whistle, simply ignores entirely casey's report and the fact that state institutions, including the police and social workers, have failed vulnerable children on an enormous and decades long basis. if your politics blind you to that then shame on you. if even caesy's report doesn't cause you to look at it afresh then your mind is closed to reason. |
It’s not abuse is it? Your tone on here is staggering. Almost celebratory- this isn’t some minor party issue, this is serious sexual assault and you’re trying to keep score with dishonesty thrown in to the mix.
Literally no one has said this was “invented” by the far right, but the misinformation, ignorance and rhetoric certainly was.
The fact you keep trying to muddy people on here and still couldn’t explain why you weren’t critical of the situation under the previous government is incredibly telling. If you’re going to parrot the far right talking point and attack lines towards people, you can’t then be dismayed and affronted when you’re called out on it.
This isn’t an issue where anybody wins, but your behaviour now and the last time it was discussed is pretty sickening. If you can’t see that, fair enough, but there’s a few on here that seem to want to exploit the plight of victims and speak for them a little too readily as to be distasteful. | |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:50 - Jun 17 with 212 views | strikalite |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:30 - Jun 17 by Mullet |
Andrew Norfolk? (RIP)
A brilliant piece of investigative journalism and whose work should be widely shared and read by everyone. He’s the forgotten man who can no longer speak on this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ge33q71q7o.amp
If you’re trying to suggest Yaxley Lennon was “calling this out” for any other reason than racism and a distraction from deep rooted child sex offences in the EDL and his friendship groups, that’s way wide of the mark. |
Mullers the gangs in question were from a certain community, how was he meant to call this out without being branded a racist? | | | |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:54 - Jun 17 with 200 views | Mullet |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:50 - Jun 17 by strikalite |
Mullers the gangs in question were from a certain community, how was he meant to call this out without being branded a racist? |
Probably not hiding the child sex offences amongst his ranks and close friends. Maybe actually campaigning on a platform that joined those looking at child protection as a whole, he was only interested in monetising content and raising his profile.
There was nothing in SYLs crusade that was for the victims, it was exploitative and cynical at its most base. | |
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| Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:02 - Jun 17 with 173 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Casey report on grooming gangs on 11:41 - Jun 17 by blueasfook |
Same as those who insisted "Dear Huw Edwards" was the victim of a frame up when he first was suspended by the BBC. They know who they are. |
Go team Israel. |  |
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