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Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:50 - Jun 17 by Mullet
It’s not abuse is it? Your tone on here is staggering. Almost celebratory- this isn’t some minor party issue, this is serious sexual assault and you’re trying to keep score with dishonesty thrown in to the mix.
Literally no one has said this was “invented” by the far right, but the misinformation, ignorance and rhetoric certainly was.
The fact you keep trying to muddy people on here and still couldn’t explain why you weren’t critical of the situation under the previous government is incredibly telling. If you’re going to parrot the far right talking point and attack lines towards people, you can’t then be dismayed and affronted when you’re called out on it.
This isn’t an issue where anybody wins, but your behaviour now and the last time it was discussed is pretty sickening. If you can’t see that, fair enough, but there’s a few on here that seem to want to exploit the plight of victims and speak for them a little too readily as to be distasteful.
yes it's clear abuse.
it's only celebratory in that the right thing has finally been done. it's something i've argued for on here for years - particularly under the last government. the excuses and obfuscation has finally stopped. the idea that it has been a 'dog whistle' and 'a right wing bandwagon' etc has been pushed by some politicians and repeated on here by people like you for months. i was very critical of the last government's failure - it's a failure that has been going on for decades. in contrast, that the current government has acted within it's first year is finally to its credit.
"If you’re going to parrot the far right talking point" again that's just abuse or very poor reading skills. being shocked by the systematic failure of the state, including the police and social workers over decades, and supporting a full enquiry is not a far right talking point. the fact that you want to dress it up as such says more about you than anything else.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:07 - Jun 17 with 1577 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:03 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue
yes it's clear abuse.
it's only celebratory in that the right thing has finally been done. it's something i've argued for on here for years - particularly under the last government. the excuses and obfuscation has finally stopped. the idea that it has been a 'dog whistle' and 'a right wing bandwagon' etc has been pushed by some politicians and repeated on here by people like you for months. i was very critical of the last government's failure - it's a failure that has been going on for decades. in contrast, that the current government has acted within it's first year is finally to its credit.
"If you’re going to parrot the far right talking point" again that's just abuse or very poor reading skills. being shocked by the systematic failure of the state, including the police and social workers over decades, and supporting a full enquiry is not a far right talking point. the fact that you want to dress it up as such says more about you than anything else.
Haven't noticed that from Mullet to be honest but some on here have had very strange reactions to this.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:03 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue
yes it's clear abuse.
it's only celebratory in that the right thing has finally been done. it's something i've argued for on here for years - particularly under the last government. the excuses and obfuscation has finally stopped. the idea that it has been a 'dog whistle' and 'a right wing bandwagon' etc has been pushed by some politicians and repeated on here by people like you for months. i was very critical of the last government's failure - it's a failure that has been going on for decades. in contrast, that the current government has acted within it's first year is finally to its credit.
"If you’re going to parrot the far right talking point" again that's just abuse or very poor reading skills. being shocked by the systematic failure of the state, including the police and social workers over decades, and supporting a full enquiry is not a far right talking point. the fact that you want to dress it up as such says more about you than anything else.
I’m sure you were, and I simply don’t remember it. But if that’s so, it’s weird your tone on here and the last thread fit this pattern you’re now affronted by. I mean it’s not like you were gagged from expressing that, or your concern and expertise about what’s happening now.
I mean, it’s not like you chimed into this thread taking potshots at people and are now upset to be challenged on it. But, of course you’re not celebrating a win in your eyes and are concerned for the victims first and foremost.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:10 - Jun 17 by Mullet
I’m sure you were, and I simply don’t remember it. But if that’s so, it’s weird your tone on here and the last thread fit this pattern you’re now affronted by. I mean it’s not like you were gagged from expressing that, or your concern and expertise about what’s happening now.
I mean, it’s not like you chimed into this thread taking potshots at people and are now upset to be challenged on it. But, of course you’re not celebrating a win in your eyes and are concerned for the victims first and foremost.
i'm concerned for the victims and i want the public institutions that failed them to be held to account. we're having a proper inquiry after years of governments hoping it would go away. beyond that i'm not entirely sure what you're exercised about.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:17 - Jun 17 with 1496 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 10:46 - Jun 17 by Bluecoin
Swansea won't be the only one getting selective amnesia over the next few months.
Lucky the Internet has receipts.
I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. The post you’ve dragged up from five years ago was about leaving the EU, hence me saying it was “like” the Muslim ray guns thing. It’s a comparison. (I’ve got no problem mocking EDL racists either, but that wasn’t what that thread or post was about).
I can’t see what I was replying to back then as the video is no longer available, but I’ve made no secret that I despair at how people were duped by, largely, racist propaganda to leave the EU against the best interests of the UK. You’ve got me bang to rights, I think leaving was stupid. It’s a fair cop.
Criticising people’s actions is obviously very different from discriminating against people solely because they’re working class.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:15 - Jun 17 by RegencyBlue
That pretty much describes a cover up to me but, whatever we call it, it’s an absolute disgrace, and heads need to roll. Not just the low hanging fruit either, there is no way this was allowed to happen without significant ‘top cover’!
This development seems to be a step in the right direction. I didn’t think it was needed initially, as some of the victims said it wasn’t and Prof Jay seemed unconvinced as well. But on hearing Baroness Casey’s comments today about the scope, I’m more positive. But the main thing that should actually lead to some much needed justice is the reopening of over 800 closed cases; that’s huge and I’d have thought of more importance to the victims than the inquiry itself. As separate, criminal investigations they could lead to convictions relatively quickly (hopefully).
Casey report on grooming gangs on 10:41 - Jun 17 by DanTheMan
They're implying that you're sneering at the working class by mocking the lad in this video.
Thanks Dan, that was my reference, but not what was in Banksters post I was replying to. I don’t know what that was because it no longer exists. But thanks anyway. I obviously upset someone 🤷♂️
Casey report on grooming gangs on 13:18 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue
it's too late for the "racist piece of sh!t" line. it worked as a distraction for a bit, but no longer. equally, calling it a "far-right bandwagon" or a "dog whistle" are very last month. it's now recognised as an appalling child abuse scandal and every right thinking person now welcomes the national enquiry. so time to drop the racist play line.
What the hell are you pratling on about?
That comment was in response to a video/incident which Bluecoin claimed represented sneering at the working class when it was in fact about an EDL rally in which the subject of ridicule WAS a racist piece of sh1t and was not any judgement of class. That was the context of the messages. Context you've ignored deliberately to mislead.
Now I don't know if it's because you're too dense to understand the point being made or because you're deliberately being a misleading, conniving piece of work. However for you to cry about people doing the same things to you in this thread while leaving this absolute horsesh1t up completely undermines any credibility.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:42 - Jun 17 by Kievthegreat
What the hell are you pratling on about?
That comment was in response to a video/incident which Bluecoin claimed represented sneering at the working class when it was in fact about an EDL rally in which the subject of ridicule WAS a racist piece of sh1t and was not any judgement of class. That was the context of the messages. Context you've ignored deliberately to mislead.
Now I don't know if it's because you're too dense to understand the point being made or because you're deliberately being a misleading, conniving piece of work. However for you to cry about people doing the same things to you in this thread while leaving this absolute horsesh1t up completely undermines any credibility.
a video which was used on here, and elsewhere, to depict raising the issue as inherently racist. my point was that things have now moved on and the suggestion that calls for an enquiry are based on racism have been proven false. i don't know the guy in the video or if you are right to describe him that way.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 19:14 - Jun 17 with 1323 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:25 - Jun 17 by Swansea_Blue
Thanks Dan, that was my reference, but not what was in Banksters post I was replying to. I don’t know what that was because it no longer exists. But thanks anyway. I obviously upset someone 🤷♂️
Has something I said been cancelled or was it you, I can't keep up.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:57 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue
a video which was used on here, and elsewhere, to depict raising the issue as inherently racist. my point was that things have now moved on and the suggestion that calls for an enquiry are based on racism have been proven false. i don't know the guy in the video or if you are right to describe him that way.
Which was still not what I was replying to. Bluecoin claimed it was "sneering at the working class". It's not. It's someone who is attending an EDL event, during the interview there is a flag with "English Defence League" behind him. The video is mocking a racist, from a racist group, at a racist event that was appropriating child abuse for their own agenda. I can describe that many as such in almost certain confidence.
If you want to debate your point that "calls for an enquiry are based on racism are proven false", then attach it to a post saying those things and don't make things up in my post.
Plus if you really want to argue that quote, I'm sorry I just can't agree. Some people were then and are now 100% basing their calls for an enquiry on racism. Stephen Yaxley Lennon and his ilk don't give a damn about those children. He cares that the most high profile cases were Muslim men. His motivation is not reliant on evidence so any new evidence that arises does not alter his decision. He brings up the issue because of race. He doesn't care about the grooming gangs who aren't Muslim, bearing in mind that while British Asians are over-represented in stats, half of grooming gangs are not British Asians.
If Stephen Yaxley-Lennon ever makes the right decision, you can bet your house that it won't be for the right reasons.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:50 - Jun 17 by Mullet
It’s not abuse is it? Your tone on here is staggering. Almost celebratory- this isn’t some minor party issue, this is serious sexual assault and you’re trying to keep score with dishonesty thrown in to the mix.
Literally no one has said this was “invented” by the far right, but the misinformation, ignorance and rhetoric certainly was.
The fact you keep trying to muddy people on here and still couldn’t explain why you weren’t critical of the situation under the previous government is incredibly telling. If you’re going to parrot the far right talking point and attack lines towards people, you can’t then be dismayed and affronted when you’re called out on it.
This isn’t an issue where anybody wins, but your behaviour now and the last time it was discussed is pretty sickening. If you can’t see that, fair enough, but there’s a few on here that seem to want to exploit the plight of victims and speak for them a little too readily as to be distasteful.
He has form
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 21:43 - Jun 17 with 1059 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:57 - Jun 17 by lowhouseblue
a video which was used on here, and elsewhere, to depict raising the issue as inherently racist. my point was that things have now moved on and the suggestion that calls for an enquiry are based on racism have been proven false. i don't know the guy in the video or if you are right to describe him that way.
You know the guy in the video was at an EDL rally, that is a handy shortcut for judging the type of person he is.
This is clearly an emotive subject, the basic facts of what has happened are horrifying, the failure of the system as a whole to safeguard vulnerable children and leave what seems like thousands to suffer organised abuse (the details of which are truly shocking), any right minded person is going to be upset and angry that this has been allowed to happen.
The issue of race is complicated, it obviously is a relevant factor in investigating these cases, and wasn't investigated and considered as it should have been by the appropriate authorities. It is however clear that the issue of race is being weaponised by people with an ulterior motive, the EDL and other far right groups over the past decade in the UK have not marched for other social justice or child abuse issues, I don't think Stephen Yaxley had much to say about the widespread child abuse in the Catholic church, and as was pointed out in a post above, the 50% of organised child exploitation cases perpetrated by white men doesn't get much of a mention. To counter that, the suggestion by some that anyone who raised the issue of race in relation to organised sexual crimes should be considered a racist or far right was not helpful, and it is likely this attitude amongst people responsible for safeguarding these children contributed to the continued failure to stop it.
Ultimately the authorities responsible for safeguarding need to consider all factors equally in relation to those that might pose a threat to children or vulnerable people in their community, and if race is one of those factors then it needs to be investigated properly. The horrible irony is that by overlooking race in many cases due to a misplaced fear of political incorrectness, or so as not to add to racial tension, authorities have created an environment now where the vast majority of innocent Asian heritage people in these communities who are appalled by these cases will likely suffer suspicion and stigma.
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 22:16 - Jun 17 with 974 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 21:33 - Jun 17 by reusersfreekicks
He has form
yes on this topic i do indeed have form. i have consistently said that we need a full national enquiry into what is one of the largest uk scandals involving the abuse of vulnerable children on a huge scale and the systematic failure of public bodies such as the police and social services to respond. i genuinely don't care who is saying the same - it doesn't alter the facts. attempts by many to avoid the issue by saying that it's a racist troupe, or is a right wing talking point, or a far right bandwagon, or some sort of dog whistle have been appalling. the way it has been framed by many people in national politics as untouchable has alas shown their priorities to be narrow, politically partisan and short-sighted. i'm very pleased that starmer and labour have now got this right.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 12:32 - Jun 19 with 511 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:24 - Jun 17 by Mullet
Whilst I see lowhouse is trumpeting the weaponising of grooming gangs, much like the far right have been, I’m still yet to see these people explain why a new inquiry was needed instead of the recommendations being implemented from the last one. Why there was no anger or calls towards the Tories who buried it and tried to send it into the long grass.
I can’t decide if Labours recent attempts to call their bluff now is a long term election strategy or panic. But the crackpot on here going on about teachers specifically clearly doesn’t know how safeguarding works in schools, or the amount of stuff we’ve had to do since these crimes. The lack of joined up thinking towards the politics and the on the ground practice is depressing.
The desire for blood I get, but there seems little talk of justice or restorative practice here or in the media. A minority here, and on social media, seem to want their own personal victory or satisfaction in this issue and that’s terrifying in the main.
Yes, teachers turned a blind eye. Cars with middle aged Pakistani men lined up outside schools. They virtually waved them off as the girls were being driven away to be raped. There was a survivor talking about it on the radio yesterday.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:07 - Jun 17 by J2BLUE
Haven't noticed that from Mullet to be honest but some on here have had very strange reactions to this.
It's appalling that people speaking out on here are getting downvoted and argued against. It's exactly the kind of behaviour and attitudes that enabled this widespread abuse in the first place.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 18:42 - Jun 17 by Kievthegreat
What the hell are you pratling on about?
That comment was in response to a video/incident which Bluecoin claimed represented sneering at the working class when it was in fact about an EDL rally in which the subject of ridicule WAS a racist piece of sh1t and was not any judgement of class. That was the context of the messages. Context you've ignored deliberately to mislead.
Now I don't know if it's because you're too dense to understand the point being made or because you're deliberately being a misleading, conniving piece of work. However for you to cry about people doing the same things to you in this thread while leaving this absolute horsesh1t up completely undermines any credibility.
Where I think we, and all who originally laughed at that video, need to be careful is to jump to the conclusion that this man is a "racist piece of shtt" because he is on that particular march.
Was he there, as he says, because of rape gangs, comprised of men from Muslim communities? Was he somebody who knew a victim of the gangs personally? Was he there because a friend told him about the rape gangs and suggested he go along? Did he know the EDL were involved? Did he know anything about the EDL and what they stood for?
These are the questions I didn't ask at the time, preferring to laugh at someone who I saw as a racist idiot. Mocking racists being one way to deal with their hate.
But what if he wasn't aware of the overtones of an EDL march? What if he did know somebody who had been groomed and trafficked?
And then became known by millions as "Muslamic Race Gangs racist idiot"?
He would have been left with the impression that everyone saying that cared more about what we call racism than we do about sexual abuse, trafficking and rape.
Which is precisely what we are coming to understand the authorities did, and why they failed these children and young women, and enabled their horrific suffering to continue.
I'm not going to say I didn't dismiss and take the psss out of this man, because I did. So did others, and we all need to learn from that.
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:57 - Jun 19 with 241 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 12:32 - Jun 19 by Bluecoin
Yes, teachers turned a blind eye. Cars with middle aged Pakistani men lined up outside schools. They virtually waved them off as the girls were being driven away to be raped. There was a survivor talking about it on the radio yesterday.
Your article literally says teachers were discouraged from reporting.
The culture of turning a blind eye is not encouraged at all, in fact it can lead to serious sanctions and being banned from the classroom.
Your posts are offensive and ignorant, you again don’t present facts but seem to want a narrative that makes you feel better. It’s scummy and unsavoury to say the least.
Casey report on grooming gangs on 07:10 - Jun 17 by Bluecoin
There will be social workers, teachers, councillors, politicians and police who are hopefully named, shamed, and jailed. The public demand accountability, and will get it.
And never forget, Labour voted against this enquiry. They don't want it despite what they are saying now. Don't be gaslit.
I think you mean inquiry
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Casey report on grooming gangs on 17:35 - Jun 19 with 159 views
Casey report on grooming gangs on 16:57 - Jun 19 by Mullet
Your article literally says teachers were discouraged from reporting.
The culture of turning a blind eye is not encouraged at all, in fact it can lead to serious sanctions and being banned from the classroom.
Your posts are offensive and ignorant, you again don’t present facts but seem to want a narrative that makes you feel better. It’s scummy and unsavoury to say the least.
That bit about teachers being discouraged. Based on your understanding of the system, where do you think that may have come from? Teacher leaders at school level, councils, the police? Where do you normally get oversight from? It’s mind boggling to hear teachers were discouraged from reporting concerns.
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