| Ambitous summer plans 12:55 - Jun 25 with 5071 views | itfcjoe |
GK [2]
Keep Palmer and Walton, Henry Gray has the season as number 3 so doesn't count against squad limit
Sell/Loan Muric
Loan Slicker
RB [2]
Re-sign Tuanzebe, keep Clarke as back up, knowing O'Shea can cover too
Sell Johnson
LB [2]
Davis and Townsend
RCB [2]
Keep O'Shea and Woolf
LCB [2/3]
Keep Greaves, sign experienced back up [Ben Mee], maybe keep Baggott
RCM [2]
Keep Morsy, sign a big ticket CM to compete with him [Flynn Downes]
LCM [2]
Sign a big ticket guy [Hackney or Brownhill], keep Humphreys as back up
Sell Taylor - last year of deal, never starts, make a profit
RW [3]
Keep Ogbene, Burns and Philogene
R10 [2]
Forced to sell Hutchinson, keep Chaplin and get a high quality PL loanee for this role plus Szmodics, Philogene can play there
L10 [2]
Keep Clarke and Szmodics, plus Philogene can play here.
Sell Broadhead - last year of contract, make a profit
ST [3]
Hirst, plus another big ticket signing [Ivanovic from Millwall, Kone from Wycombe?], and another youngster with massive potential [Guiu, Mubama] or a foreigner with time to settle for £5m range
Sell Al-Hamadi
Final squad - 24 seniors
GK - Palmer, Walton, [Gray - U21]
RB - Tuanzebe/Replacement, Clarke
LB - Davis, Townsend
RCB - Woolfie, O'Shea
LCB - Greaves, [Experienced back up], [Baggott potentially to make 25]
RCM - Morsy, [8 figure signing]
LCM - Humphreys, [8 figure signing]
RW - Philogene, Ogbene, Burns
R10 - Chaplin, [PL Loanee]
L10 - Clarke, Szmodics
ST - Hirst, [8 figure signing], [PL Loan/£5m signing]
25th man can either be Baggott, or if a good loan then another attacking option
Transfers In
Experienced back up LCB
[Tuanzebe replacement if required]
2x CM Monsters
1 player for the 10 role
[Potentially 1 more for the 10 role]
1x Monster striker
1x Development striker
Sell
Muric [Or loan if can't]
Johnson
Taylor
Broadhead
Omari 
Al-Hamadi
Loan
Slicker
Baggott potentially [Post edited 25 Jun 13:00]
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| Ambitous summer plans on 15:20 - Jun 25 with 1374 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Ambitous summer plans on 14:47 - Jun 25 by catch74 |
Think the point Joe makes is that he’s in the last year of his deal - although imagine there’d be an option to extend? |
Yeah I absolutely appreciate that. From my point of view, I'm just not sure it would be worth the risk to offload him now when his value is relatively static.
I think there's enough value in risking losing him for nothing and having that stability with two midfielders who know the system to start the year and his 5 goals.
I imagine he will probably start the first few games next year whilst we bed in any new signings anyway. |  | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 15:26 - Jun 25 with 1345 views | Wickets |
| Ambitous summer plans on 13:04 - Jun 25 by BasingstokeBlue |
Pretty much the way I've been seeing this transfer window.
Although I still wince at the notion of selling Broady (just sentimentality, really). |
I hope we make Broady an offer , love to see him stay . |  | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 15:45 - Jun 25 with 1277 views | itfcjoe |
| Ambitous summer plans on 13:26 - Jun 25 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Assume by 'make a profit' on Taylor and Broadhead, you mean take an offer this summer instead of losing them for nothing next? I'm not sure we get the £1.5m fee's we paid for them with a year left on their contracts. |
I don't see why we wouldn't personally - both full internationals with PL experiences who would go and start for a lot of non parachute Champ clubs | |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 15:46 - Jun 25 with 1267 views | itfcjoe |
| Ambitous summer plans on 13:29 - Jun 25 by Smoresy |
Know Ben Mee excites people. I am a little reticent about his age though (36 in September) given he played so little last season (181 minutes). Makes it harder to judge what's left in the tank and gives me Richard Keogh vibes, hopefully unfairly. We made that work but perhaps more because of how little Keogh was needed (as well as L1 being less physically demanding).
Morsy and Humphreys +2 isn't enough in CM for me. Long campaign ahead, need five capable players even if the fifth is a utility player. I'd be happy to keep Taylor in the squad if his sale value is low (would be surprised if Humphreys is better right now and promotion is key).
Otherwise that sounds good, albeit I'd be sad to see Broadhead go. Jury is massively out on whether Downes may become a PL regular in a team that stays up but he's proven himself at this level.* Brownhill would be awesome. I wasn't that impressed with Kone in the short amount I saw on TV but that was only a few games.
*Removed the part about him being short because it isn't something I've noticed with my eyes - think this is an inverse Slicker situation with online sources. [Post edited 25 Jun 13:38]
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Maybe keep Ben Johnson in squad as he can play RB, RW and CM as a utility option?
But he'd be an expensive squad member to be a utility player | |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 15:47 - Jun 25 with 1264 views | itfcjoe |
| Ambitous summer plans on 13:41 - Jun 25 by JakeITFC |
I don't disagree with much of that but (playing devil's advocate) would replacing Morsy, Omari and Delap with Downes, a loan and Kone constitute an ambitious summer? |
I think spending best part of £50m in the Championship it has to be seen as so | |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 15:51 - Jun 25 with 1241 views | itfcjoe |
| Ambitous summer plans on 15:20 - Jun 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
Yeah I absolutely appreciate that. From my point of view, I'm just not sure it would be worth the risk to offload him now when his value is relatively static.
I think there's enough value in risking losing him for nothing and having that stability with two midfielders who know the system to start the year and his 5 goals.
I imagine he will probably start the first few games next year whilst we bed in any new signings anyway. |
I juts don't see that he offers a huge amount with how we play, he's never settled into system for me and whilst I like him as a player he just seems at the wrong club - should be able to get a good fee and find someone who is a better fit here to develop | |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 16:46 - Jun 25 with 1136 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Sell Johnson and keep Clarke, madness Joe! |  | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 16:53 - Jun 25 with 1105 views | TractorFrog |
I think it would be a huge mistake to sell Broadhead. I just can’t see yet how Szmodics or particularly Clarke and Philogene have shown to be improvements. Yes, they scored more in the championship last year but Sunderland finished 16th and we’re 4th this year after selling Clarke. Blackburn just escaped relegation and have improved since selling Szmodics. Broadhead also got 13 goals but in a team that finished second which would suggest a greater overall contribution than just his goals, and I think that was obvious from the link-up play with Davis. This season, Broadhead started seven games and we got seven points from them. That’s two wins out of just four all season. I recognise that he had some very anonymous performances too like Wolves but that seemed more like Clarke and Philogene every game. Clarke started 12 games across a wide range of the season, and from those we picked up 2 points. Philogene started 5 games and we scored 0 points. Clarke was very good in the championship and against Coventry but I don’t think that’s enough to put him ahead of Broadhead yet in the pecking order. I really hope we keep Broadhead. But I had similar thoughts regarding Burgess vs Greaves.
I agree with all the rest except I think we need 5 in CM, so maybe would be worth keeping Taylor as one of those. But definitely two huge signings are needed. I also suspect it might be hard to find a better third choice than Al-Hamadi. |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 17:02 - Jun 25 with 1093 views | PhilTWTD |
| Ambitous summer plans on 14:47 - Jun 25 by catch74 |
Think the point Joe makes is that he’s in the last year of his deal - although imagine there’d be an option to extend? |
I had a look this morning and when he was signed it said "an initial three-year deal", so wouldn't surprise me if there is an option of some kind. |  | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 17:24 - Jun 25 with 1018 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Personally, I don't mind which 2 of Walton, Palmer and Muric we keep as I think there is little between them. I agree Slicker could do with a loan. If Muric stays as number 1 it will go one of 2 ways fairly quickly I would imagine.
I would like to see us re-sign Broadhead but he wasn't first choice at all last season so I presume McKenna doesn't rate him for the Premier League. I am not sure Taylor would command a profit either. |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 17:28 - Jun 25 with 1003 views | BlueBoots |
I'll play...
Final squad - 25 seniors + 2 U21 emergency 3rd choice GK / ST
GK - Muric, Palmer, [U21 Keeper - Gray, or new signing if not ready for step up]
RB - Tuanzebe, H. Clarke
LB - Davis, Townsend
RCB - Woolfie, O'Shea
LCB - Greaves, Baggott
RCM - Morsy, [New Signing]
LCM - [New Signing - Cajuste?], Taylor
RW - Johnson, Ogbene, Burns
R10 - Hutchinson, Philogene, Chaplin
L10 - J. Clarke, Szmodics, Broadhead
ST - Hirst, [New Senior Signing], [New U21 Signing]
That leaves Walton (Loan or Sell - last year of contract, and I think Muric has greater potential), Slicker (Loan), Humphreys (Loan), Al-Hamadi (Loan) Question marks over Tuanzebe with the contract situation, and whether Baggott would be better served by another season on loan (in which case, would need to sign another CB) or staying with the squad for back-up / cup games.
Probably not as much change as a lot of people will be clamouring for, but I think we built a squad last season with one eye on bouncing back if we got relegated - plenty of new players who weren't with us last time around who performed very well in their last Championship seasons. |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 17:43 - Jun 25 with 954 views | Pinewoodblue |
Joe do you see us bslancung the books in the coming season, with a bonus of of an on paper saving from not having take unto account the cost of Delap & Hutchinson over the following three years.
Assuming promotion we should be in a good position to spend next summer. |  |
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| Great post, sadly right on Omari, MONSTER signings needed, Johnson on 17:50 - Jun 25 with 922 views | unstableblue |
Your post lines up with my thinking
Watching the England u21s now and the cooing commentator over Hutchinson, no way his £35m clause isn’t getting triggered.
Other points:
1. Will Walton want to stay for another year as number 2? Doubt it. Agree on Muric exit
2. Need Axel, or a MONSTER signing. Concern is whether Axel can be resigned and/or get back to that solid fitness pre-sinkgate
3. Don’t quite see how Johnson fits in - but could thrive in Champ as right back. A lot injury return questions on our Right hand attack.
4. SERIOUS monster signings needed in midfield and number 9 - I’m expecting big money spent on people who will be Prem ready for 26/27 |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 17:59 - Jun 25 with 903 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ambitous summer plans on 17:43 - Jun 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Joe do you see us bslancung the books in the coming season, with a bonus of of an on paper saving from not having take unto account the cost of Delap & Hutchinson over the following three years.
Assuming promotion we should be in a good position to spend next summer. |
There's not that much to balance, parachute money, the players that came in last summer would all have relegation built into their contracts in terms of wage cuts. There will be one more big sale and I think it will be Omari, as I said months ago. The one advantage of not shopping big abroad on top flight players is the contracts would have been easier to structure and most will stay.
This isn't directed at you but I do think some of our fanbase are not exactly quite sure where the club is at the moment financially and statue. We should be literally the most attractive clubs to join outside of the PL twenty clubs and we have the funds.
Some of the players I saw people desperate to hold onto and potential signings mentioned, it was like we were coming up from league one! Not sure if it's nostalgia or not used to what a year in the top flight does for you. I know they had more years previously but fans should ask themselves if the players they are wanting to retain or bring in would have been anywhere near the Leeds/Burnley squad of last year. [Post edited 25 Jun 18:01]
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| Ambitous summer plans on 18:01 - Jun 25 with 897 views | billlm |
Not bad,
Not sure I'd let Johnson go,
Taylor yes,
Broadbead I think is a fab player but as we all know dosent get on to well witH MCK I'm sure broadhead wanted to leave anyway,
muric is the better keeper by far but damaged goods here (shame) |  | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 18:08 - Jun 25 with 884 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ambitous summer plans on 18:01 - Jun 25 by billlm |
Not bad,
Not sure I'd let Johnson go,
Taylor yes,
Broadbead I think is a fab player but as we all know dosent get on to well witH MCK I'm sure broadhead wanted to leave anyway,
muric is the better keeper by far but damaged goods here (shame) |
Johnson has played plenty of PL games at right back and is absolute light years ahead of Harry Clarke in terms of ability. Would be an exceptional talent in the Championship.
Clarke is strong going forward and had a good connection with Burns but I just can't see them starting games together regularly with the squad talent we have now. Burns is also 30 and coming off a bad injury, may be a second of the half season sub.
If Axel goes, I would happily start the season with Johnson at RB with a license to go forward especially if we are not playing an out an out right winger and even if we are, he would be fine (just maybe a bit bored lol). | | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 18:57 - Jun 25 with 800 views | billlm |
| Ambitous summer plans on 18:08 - Jun 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Johnson has played plenty of PL games at right back and is absolute light years ahead of Harry Clarke in terms of ability. Would be an exceptional talent in the Championship.
Clarke is strong going forward and had a good connection with Burns but I just can't see them starting games together regularly with the squad talent we have now. Burns is also 30 and coming off a bad injury, may be a second of the half season sub.
If Axel goes, I would happily start the season with Johnson at RB with a license to go forward especially if we are not playing an out an out right winger and even if we are, he would be fine (just maybe a bit bored lol). |
Spot on which is why I said I'd probably not let him go,
Started poorly for us but was one of the best performers last 7 or 8 games, | | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 19:05 - Jun 25 with 782 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ambitous summer plans on 18:57 - Jun 25 by billlm |
Spot on which is why I said I'd probably not let him go,
Started poorly for us but was one of the best performers last 7 or 8 games, |
He's better than the Championship as his career suggest with Axel attracting attention vital to keep him. | | | |
| Ambitous summer plans on 21:02 - Jun 25 with 645 views | Dubtractor |
| Ambitous summer plans on 14:13 - Jun 25 by Bellevue_Blue |
There just isn't any point selling Jack Taylor IMO. You'd be selling a proven player in the system (who hasn't disgraced himself in 32 games at PL level) for a few million in favour of a different more expensive 'punt' who will take time to get up to speed with the team and system.
He's hugely beneficial as a squad player IMO and if he has a half decent season, he doubles in value. |
I have to disagree with that. Taylor looks anonymous every time he plays, and the fact that he played so many times for us last season partly explains why we went down so badly, in that our midfield options weren't nearly good enough for the league. |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 08:06 - Jun 26 with 373 views | nodge_blue |
Agree with nearly all that Joe.
I would probably keep Broadhead if he wants to stay but I suspect he may want a move.
Also Muric. Pretty sure he was in the championship team of the year before. Are we really saying he is totally written off? Isn’t it worth another look if he’s had a chance for a physical and mental reset? |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 08:10 - Jun 26 with 354 views | bournemouthblue |
| Ambitous summer plans on 13:15 - Jun 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Sounds sensible. Not sure we will see profit on the £1.5m each that we shelled out on Taylor and Broadhead.
Johnson might be tricky to offload. I think he would do a good job in the Champ. |
We should be profiting on Broadhead if he were to go, he was top scorer in the Championship last time around?
I should still have a future here but hasn't featured as much in the last season for whatever reason |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 08:10 - Jun 26 with 353 views | WeWereZombies |
| Ambitous summer plans on 21:02 - Jun 25 by Dubtractor |
I have to disagree with that. Taylor looks anonymous every time he plays, and the fact that he played so many times for us last season partly explains why we went down so badly, in that our midfield options weren't nearly good enough for the league. |
Think that is harsh on Taylor, most of his appearances were as a late substitute and often when a game was already lost. |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 08:10 - Jun 26 with 348 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
If we do that, then I reckon we probably have a stronger squad than we did 12 months previous. Which is I'm sure what Ashton and McKenna are aiming for. The loss of Hutch, if he goes, could be argued as weakening us but this time last year we didn't see Delap as a monster #9.
I can't really see Muric being sold for a decent fee, and I'm pretty certain he is our best keeper. Would be happy seeing him compete with Palmer, Walton and Slicker to both go.
Would love to see us hold on to Hutch, and if we do and couple with the changes you've identified, I could see us completely running away with the league. The only other change is Johnson. Early season I thought he offered nothing. As the season wore on, he really put in some good performances.
I think McKenna's biggest problem will be keeping everyone happy with the minutes they will get, but if the team is winning most weeks, this is much less of a problem. |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 08:52 - Jun 26 with 288 views | hype313 |
Pretty much agree on all of that.
Think Taylor needs a move, it just hasn't worked out for him one way or the other, it's a classic case of him needing a fresh start and he just doesn't work in our system.
Think a lot of people would be sad to see Broady go, he's a interesting one, on his day he can really drive us forward and unlock defences, but equally he can go anonymous for a lot of time.
Think Broadhead's biggest issue is that I'm just not sure McKenna is overly sold on him, and there is quite a bit of traffic in front of him. |  |
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| Ambitous summer plans on 12:55 - Jun 26 with 196 views | strikalite |
| Ambitous summer plans on 08:10 - Jun 26 by WeWereZombies |
Think that is harsh on Taylor, most of his appearances were as a late substitute and often when a game was already lost. |
I do agree, for that reason if a decent offer came in for him I'd probably sell, he needs/should be wanting first team football at this stage, not sure we can offer him that, though he's such a good pro to have in the squad given the positions he can cover... |  | | |
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