| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:27 - Jul 1 with 2301 views | MattinLondon |
That panel mentioned the Brighton game - my memory is a tad hazy, but isn’t that the match where a Brighton player recklessly took out Walton whilst in midair and VAR failed to intervene? |  | |  |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:42 - Jul 1 with 2161 views | redrickstuhaart |
It rather depends on their criteria.
8 out of 10 decisions could be in our favour, but if all of those were plainly correct, and there were 5 more which should have involved VAR in our favour but didnt, that is not VAR working in our favour.
Its nonsense. |  | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:48 - Jul 1 with 2090 views | bournemouthblue |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:42 - Jul 1 by redrickstuhaart |
It rather depends on their criteria.
8 out of 10 decisions could be in our favour, but if all of those were plainly correct, and there were 5 more which should have involved VAR in our favour but didnt, that is not VAR working in our favour.
Its nonsense. |
They seem to be marking their own homework |  |
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| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:55 - Jul 1 with 2040 views | EastTownBlue |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:48 - Jul 1 by bournemouthblue |
They seem to be marking their own homework |
The idea behind the independent panel is that the PGMOL are not marking their own homework. Not that the PGMOL have to agree with their conclusions. | | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 18:06 - Jul 1 with 1970 views | Meadowlark |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:55 - Jul 1 by EastTownBlue |
The idea behind the independent panel is that the PGMOL are not marking their own homework. Not that the PGMOL have to agree with their conclusions. |
They're only looking at incidents where VAR was used?
Perhaps they should also look at the incidents where it should have been used. |  | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 18:14 - Jul 1 with 1910 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 18:06 - Jul 1 by Meadowlark |
They're only looking at incidents where VAR was used?
Perhaps they should also look at the incidents where it should have been used. |
Quite.
No reference to Leicester. Nor to Leif's clear pen against City.... For starters. | | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 18:20 - Jul 1 with 1876 views | EastTownBlue |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 18:06 - Jul 1 by Meadowlark |
They're only looking at incidents where VAR was used?
Perhaps they should also look at the incidents where it should have been used. |
Which is also what they look at hence the mentions of Brighton and Brentford where they felt VAR should have intervened against us.
The full article is on the ESPN site:
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/45340176/every-premier-league-var-err | | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 19:41 - Jul 1 with 1559 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Cover up job.
Load of bull ...
Take VAR away until it is up to speck. |  | | |
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| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 21:20 - Jul 1 with 1346 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 19:41 - Jul 1 by flykickingbybgunn |
Cover up job.
Load of bull ...
Take VAR away until it is up to speck. |
That’s almost One VAR error for every team over the course of a season.
Totally agree, until it’s fit for purpose and 100% reliable get rid. | | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 21:28 - Jul 1 with 1311 views | jayessess |
Would say in general that my issue with the refereeing last season was that any decision where there was any degree of subjectivity went against us, not out of conspiracy but out of the unconscious expectations of officials.
Those constant subjective decisions wouldn't show up in a review of major incidents and the people reviewing the major incidents aren't immune to the same unconscious biases affecting match officials.
Was tickled that the two decisions they highlighted as going our way were two bits of wrestling from crossing - the kind of incident that happens 10 times every match! |  |
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| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 21:33 - Jul 1 with 1270 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:42 - Jul 1 by redrickstuhaart |
It rather depends on their criteria.
8 out of 10 decisions could be in our favour, but if all of those were plainly correct, and there were 5 more which should have involved VAR in our favour but didnt, that is not VAR working in our favour.
Its nonsense. |
Isn't it a massive admission that on-field officials showed an inherent bias against us?
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. |  |
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| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 22:57 - Jul 1 with 1107 views | Garv |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 21:28 - Jul 1 by jayessess |
Would say in general that my issue with the refereeing last season was that any decision where there was any degree of subjectivity went against us, not out of conspiracy but out of the unconscious expectations of officials.
Those constant subjective decisions wouldn't show up in a review of major incidents and the people reviewing the major incidents aren't immune to the same unconscious biases affecting match officials.
Was tickled that the two decisions they highlighted as going our way were two bits of wrestling from crossing - the kind of incident that happens 10 times every match! |
Hasn't that probably always been the case, though?
We're a small team in that league. Bigger teams get more decisions generally because they have higher profile players and managers, bigger fan bases, and ultimately better players. There is constant pressure on officials, it's absolutely natural that they are going to succumb to that at times.*
While you don't want it happening all the time, you don't want the game to be refereed by robots. For the same reason when we had penalty appeals against Port Vale at PR in League One, you want your home advantage and crowd noise to count.
*Whether VAR should have intervened is a separate argument I think. |  |
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| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 11:13 - Jul 2 with 704 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 22:57 - Jul 1 by Garv |
Hasn't that probably always been the case, though?
We're a small team in that league. Bigger teams get more decisions generally because they have higher profile players and managers, bigger fan bases, and ultimately better players. There is constant pressure on officials, it's absolutely natural that they are going to succumb to that at times.*
While you don't want it happening all the time, you don't want the game to be refereed by robots. For the same reason when we had penalty appeals against Port Vale at PR in League One, you want your home advantage and crowd noise to count.
*Whether VAR should have intervened is a separate argument I think. |
I think most people just want a fair game, not a game biased towards a bigger club or a partisan crowd. If that means referees acting like robots, I'd be all for it. The big clubs have given themselves enough advantages in the game, without refs assisting them too.
Also, VAR. The technology is great, but the use of it by refs, especially in England, is terrible. I wish people involved in football would stop criticising VAR in it's entirety, when it is the rules, their interpretation, and the standard of on-field and VAR refereeing that is clearly at fault. |  | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 11:17 - Jul 2 with 676 views | RobTheMonk |
The Chappers penalty one against Leicester was perhaps the most baffling one I saw all season. That it wasn't even checked by the referee was crazy. |  | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 11:34 - Jul 2 with 650 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Don’t know why the article says the Leicester game wasn’t looked at, there was a report mid-season which appears to be the same review process and confirmed it was. Posted on it at the time and link below
Bafflingly the conclusion was that the refs decision was potentially wrong but VAR process correct. What a waste of time
VAR errors according to the Premier League by C_HealyIsAPleasure 5 Feb 9:31Data out today re VAR errors, according to the PL’s Key Match Incidents panel:
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/43320888/revealed-every-var-referee-error-first-half-premier-league-season
Apparently we’ve not been subject to any clear VAR errors this season however a few incidents where it’s adjudged the referee decision was potentially incorrect, but VAR right not to intervene as not clear cut or outside of scope (2nd yellow cards):
1. Non-penalty award for the foul on Davis at Man City
2. Non-penalty award for the foul on Chaplin against Leicester (apparently the whole panel agreed VAR was right not to review, somehow)
3. Decision not to give Morsy a second yellow against Villa
4. Decision to give Phillips a second yellow against Leicester
Hmm…
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| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 11:46 - Jul 2 with 589 views | PhilTWTD |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 11:34 - Jul 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Don’t know why the article says the Leicester game wasn’t looked at, there was a report mid-season which appears to be the same review process and confirmed it was. Posted on it at the time and link below
Bafflingly the conclusion was that the refs decision was potentially wrong but VAR process correct. What a waste of time
VAR errors according to the Premier League by C_HealyIsAPleasure 5 Feb 9:31Data out today re VAR errors, according to the PL’s Key Match Incidents panel:
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/43320888/revealed-every-var-referee-error-first-half-premier-league-season
Apparently we’ve not been subject to any clear VAR errors this season however a few incidents where it’s adjudged the referee decision was potentially incorrect, but VAR right not to intervene as not clear cut or outside of scope (2nd yellow cards):
1. Non-penalty award for the foul on Davis at Man City
2. Non-penalty award for the foul on Chaplin against Leicester (apparently the whole panel agreed VAR was right not to review, somehow)
3. Decision not to give Morsy a second yellow against Villa
4. Decision to give Phillips a second yellow against Leicester
Hmm…
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Same with the Davis one at Man City. Can't find the original source, but I mentioned this in a piece when we had the same ref again.
VAR failed to intervene in that instance, however, the Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel subsequently ruled that a penalty should have been awarded, but that the incident didn't meet the threshold for a clear and obvious error required for VAR to intercede. |  | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 11:50 - Jul 2 with 550 views | sotd78 |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 17:27 - Jul 1 by MattinLondon |
That panel mentioned the Brighton game - my memory is a tad hazy, but isn’t that the match where a Brighton player recklessly took out Walton whilst in midair and VAR failed to intervene? |
It's still a dog dinner and should be fed to the dogs! |  |
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| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 19:26 - Jul 2 with 267 views | EastTownBlue |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 11:46 - Jul 2 by PhilTWTD |
Same with the Davis one at Man City. Can't find the original source, but I mentioned this in a piece when we had the same ref again.
VAR failed to intervene in that instance, however, the Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel subsequently ruled that a penalty should have been awarded, but that the incident didn't meet the threshold for a clear and obvious error required for VAR to intercede. |
I believe that Dale Johnson of ESPN is the only one that goes into detail about the decisions.
This is the end of season article that mentions Davis and Chaplin not meeting the VAR threshold. If it is the wrong decision I’m not sure how it can’t be clear and obvious?
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/45340176/every-premier-league-var-err
The mention of Davis earlier this season;
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/41205259/referee-right-send-declan-ri | | | |
| Glad the PL have admitted we were hard done by with VAR last season on 00:18 - Jul 3 with 158 views | rickw |
This is complete bollox....
The ESPN one is far more accurate with us finishing 3 decisions down. I'd forgotten about most of the decisions that went in our favour that could have gone the other way, but I guess that's just the way it works, but to say they didn't make mistakes costing us goals is just rubbish! |  |
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