| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:56 - Jul 3 with 1324 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:17 - Jul 3 by Swailsey |
Oh I was gonna say! I’m losing my mind.
*edit* I don’t think there are, are they? Chico hasn’t posted at all. [Post edited 3 Jul 20:18]
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 21:00 - Jul 3 with 1313 views | Vic |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 19:41 - Jul 3 by positivity |
it's not the op trying to be edgy, it's the person quoting louis ck |
Doh! I thought we were talking about Giand Ullua, or whatever hes calling himself now! I've got Chico on ignore - cant be doing with him, he's defo a windup merchant! |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 21:04 - Jul 3 with 1306 views | Swailsey |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:56 - Jul 3 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Been deleted. |
Well I’ll STFU then. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 21:05 - Jul 3 with 1302 views | redrickstuhaart |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 18:45 - Jul 3 by flykickingbybgunn |
I can understand an abortion on the grounds of safety or rape or breakdown of a relationship.
But to use it as a method of contraception in effect has to be wrong. It is a flagrant disregard of human life.
I am not a religious person but this just feels to be wrong. |
That assumes a small collection of cells is "human life".
But clearly its not healthy, psychologically or physically, to repeatedly do so. She was seemingly a bit of a mess when younger. |  | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 21:47 - Jul 3 with 1258 views | vapour_trail |
I’d say it’s this thread that’s mental.
Judgmental as you can get. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 22:15 - Jul 3 with 1211 views | Nutkins_Return |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 15:22 - Jul 3 by jayessess |
Doesn't strike me as a particularly efficient way to manage your fertility, but I can't see that "1 is fine, but 5 is too many" is a position that makes much philosophical sense.
Either it's "her body, her choice" and accepting that women get to define what they think and feel about the foetus(es) they'r carrying or it isn't. |
I saw an article making a similar argument. But if I'm being completely honest I disagree.
Things happen, call them what you like - heat of the moment, mistakes, accidents whatever and I think it makes sense that the option is there. But terminating a potential life is still a big deal even if it's right to have that choice so to do it over and over again recklessly and laugh about it (which apparently is how the conversation went) like it's as normal as a dental check up is different. That seems obvious to me.
Still her choice but I think it's ok to consider that different actually and to have a different opinion on that over one time or two times etc. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:09 - Jul 4 with 1102 views | Ryorry |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 22:15 - Jul 3 by Nutkins_Return |
I saw an article making a similar argument. But if I'm being completely honest I disagree.
Things happen, call them what you like - heat of the moment, mistakes, accidents whatever and I think it makes sense that the option is there. But terminating a potential life is still a big deal even if it's right to have that choice so to do it over and over again recklessly and laugh about it (which apparently is how the conversation went) like it's as normal as a dental check up is different. That seems obvious to me.
Still her choice but I think it's ok to consider that different actually and to have a different opinion on that over one time or two times etc. |
Just picking up on something you said there - contraception definitely isn’t 100% reliable, so it’d be wrong to assume she and/or her partners were being irresponsible. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:48 - Jul 4 with 1060 views | itfcjoe |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:09 - Jul 4 by Ryorry |
Just picking up on something you said there - contraception definitely isn’t 100% reliable, so it’d be wrong to assume she and/or her partners were being irresponsible. |
When both her and her friend are saying they've had 5 abortions each then they'd be pretty unfortunate to have 10 failed contraceptives between them - and presumably after first 1 or 2 would be even more careful. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:51 - Jul 4 with 1044 views | Ryorry |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:48 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
When both her and her friend are saying they've had 5 abortions each then they'd be pretty unfortunate to have 10 failed contraceptives between them - and presumably after first 1 or 2 would be even more careful. |
I didn’t say anything about numbers. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:52 - Jul 4 with 1037 views | itfcjoe |
I guess I'm old now as well, but yep this just seems wrong and not a good way to treat one's own body let alone any potential life.
I'd say I'm not anti abortion, but to just be used so flagrantly by both of them [Miquita Oliver says she has also had 5 abortions] isn't right. There are plenty of contraceptive options out there, accidents can still happen but even then there is a morning after pill.
Their life, but I certainly think less of them before than In did before I read the article - and don't care if people think that I'm being judgey etc | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:54 - Jul 4 with 1033 views | itfcjoe |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:51 - Jul 4 by Ryorry |
I didn’t say anything about numbers. |
You said it's wrong to assume they and their partners were being irresponsible - after a combined 10 abortions I don't think carries any weight | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:04 - Jul 4 with 994 views | baxterbasics |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:12 - Jul 3 by Vic |
Im not sure where we are about having different opinions on here at the moment. But as a pro lifer It looks like I'll be in the minority! Please don't crucify me for having a different opinion but I struggle to get my head around how it can be so normal to have abortions after the baby has a heartbeat. I'm not judging those who do it, but just want to registr that other views exist. |
I'm with you here. Not dogmatic to the point that I oppose it in all circumstances, I'm no catholic fundamentalist, but making out like this is a valid lifestyle choice to be applauded is not right imo. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:15 - Jul 4 with 955 views | Ryorry |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 10:54 - Jul 4 by itfcjoe |
You said it's wrong to assume they and their partners were being irresponsible - after a combined 10 abortions I don't think carries any weight |
Maybe I should have added “on every occasion”, but I stand by my general point. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:24 - Jul 4 with 934 views | Libero |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 21:47 - Jul 3 by vapour_trail |
I’d say it’s this thread that’s mental.
Judgmental as you can get. |
Middle aged men in being judgemental about strong woman’s (historic) life choices, shocker. |  | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:27 - Jul 4 with 915 views | NedPlimpton |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:24 - Jul 4 by Libero |
Middle aged men in being judgemental about strong woman’s (historic) life choices, shocker. |
Not sure the middle-aged part is necessary, but seeing men in general comment on what a women did with her body in her younger-wilder days is a bit grim |  | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:40 - Jul 4 with 876 views | artsbossbeard |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:24 - Jul 4 by Libero |
Middle aged men in being judgemental about strong woman’s (historic) life choices, shocker. |
Correct.
You can't attempt to argue that you're Pro Choice if this upsets you. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 12:08 - Jul 4 with 811 views | itfcjoe |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:40 - Jul 4 by artsbossbeard |
Correct.
You can't attempt to argue that you're Pro Choice if this upsets you. |
This is where extremes of an anti abortion argument allow to take hold.
One side says that no abortion under any circumstance, and then is able to paint the other as a woman having a choice up until the day she delivers to terminate a pregnancy with no need for a reason
The other starts with that they absolutely have to be allowed in certain circumstances but then over play what they could be.
The vast majority of people surely sit somewhere between the 2 extremes, and the law has worked [in this country] between the 2 of them successfully over the last however many years - but I note Stella Creasey tried to table an amendment a couple of weeks back for future protection and it ends in a bit of a muddle compared to where it was.
It's very difficult to put legally what is the rights and wrongs of this law - but my fear is it going the way of America. But I think there is a difference between judging them for what they've done and what actual opinion on the legal side of it is. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:13 - Jul 4 with 680 views | giant_stow |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 11:27 - Jul 4 by NedPlimpton |
Not sure the middle-aged part is necessary, but seeing men in general comment on what a women did with her body in her younger-wilder days is a bit grim |
I think we can all agree that modern men are meant to take equal responsibility for contraception / not getting pregnant, so why can men have no opinion on abortion? Obviously, a women has final say over her body, but men can talk it through, no?
And yes, this thread is completely judgmental in nature (as are all threads on here tbf), but please do remember that Lily put it out there in her podcast - no one's invaded her privacy.
Can you be pro-choice and have a problem with too many abortions? obviously. Not everything is black and white - I think a lot of people would support a women's right to have abortions, but would also like to minimize how often it happens for a number of reasons. |  |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:27 - Jul 4 with 655 views | NedPlimpton |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:13 - Jul 4 by giant_stow |
I think we can all agree that modern men are meant to take equal responsibility for contraception / not getting pregnant, so why can men have no opinion on abortion? Obviously, a women has final say over her body, but men can talk it through, no?
And yes, this thread is completely judgmental in nature (as are all threads on here tbf), but please do remember that Lily put it out there in her podcast - no one's invaded her privacy.
Can you be pro-choice and have a problem with too many abortions? obviously. Not everything is black and white - I think a lot of people would support a women's right to have abortions, but would also like to minimize how often it happens for a number of reasons. |
A women has final say over her own body is all that really matters here. And should be able to do so without judgement. Lily isn't endorsing endless abortions, right? She's just talking about her past in the context of being wild. So openly admitting that it's probably not her finest moment.
How many celebrity men around her age will have had unprotected sex and spoken/bragged about it? Where's their responsibility here?? But no, let's all judge a women for having a past, because that's what we always do | | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:35 - Jul 4 with 624 views | Swansea_Blue |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 17:35 - Jul 3 by MattinLondon |
Of course there will be differing views on this issue as this very subject is highly sensitive. And no one will crucify you.
However, I have issues with anyone who uses this topic just to court controversy- which is what that poster did and does. At best it’s insensitive but it’s just pathetic.
If people want to be edgy then they should stick to whether Kuqi was better than Pablo - he wasn’t. |
Eh? I don’t see this as the OP being deliberately controversial and edgy. GS is one of the least fixed-in-his-views/ controversial people on here (imho). I often think he’s quite similar to me; sitting on the fence picking up splinters in the arris just trying to figure out how any of the crap in this world makes sense.
Edit - Ignore, behind the times as usual! [Post edited 4 Jul 17:53]
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:37 - Jul 4 with 615 views | giant_stow |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:27 - Jul 4 by NedPlimpton |
A women has final say over her own body is all that really matters here. And should be able to do so without judgement. Lily isn't endorsing endless abortions, right? She's just talking about her past in the context of being wild. So openly admitting that it's probably not her finest moment.
How many celebrity men around her age will have had unprotected sex and spoken/bragged about it? Where's their responsibility here?? But no, let's all judge a women for having a past, because that's what we always do |
I don't want to wind anyone up or upset them, but just to say that if you show me a story about a celebrity man bragging about unprotected sex, I'll tut a bit at them just the same. I would also question your reading of her comments - i think the tone was a bit different than you suggest, but its fine to disagree. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:39 - Jul 4 with 608 views | giant_stow |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:35 - Jul 4 by Swansea_Blue |
Eh? I don’t see this as the OP being deliberately controversial and edgy. GS is one of the least fixed-in-his-views/ controversial people on here (imho). I often think he’s quite similar to me; sitting on the fence picking up splinters in the arris just trying to figure out how any of the crap in this world makes sense.
Edit - Ignore, behind the times as usual! [Post edited 4 Jul 17:53]
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upvote for the "picking splinters on the arris" line - arf!
I certainly wasn't looking for a bust up - just chewing the cud really. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:44 - Jul 4 with 590 views | NedPlimpton |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:37 - Jul 4 by giant_stow |
I don't want to wind anyone up or upset them, but just to say that if you show me a story about a celebrity man bragging about unprotected sex, I'll tut a bit at them just the same. I would also question your reading of her comments - i think the tone was a bit different than you suggest, but its fine to disagree. |
Yeah, fair enough. I don't think that would be the response of everyone on this thread, or the media. But hey ho.
Pro-choice women are definitely having a tougher time of things than they have done previously, especially with the goings-on in the US and Farage's comments over here, so maybe I'm being a bit defensive. But a predominantly male-based forum judging the number of abortions a women has had just doesn't sit comfortably with me | | | |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:51 - Jul 4 with 564 views | giant_stow |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 14:44 - Jul 4 by NedPlimpton |
Yeah, fair enough. I don't think that would be the response of everyone on this thread, or the media. But hey ho.
Pro-choice women are definitely having a tougher time of things than they have done previously, especially with the goings-on in the US and Farage's comments over here, so maybe I'm being a bit defensive. But a predominantly male-based forum judging the number of abortions a women has had just doesn't sit comfortably with me |
Fair dos - I see what you're saying. | |
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| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 15:13 - Jul 4 with 510 views | chicoazul |
| sorry to be an old fart but this shocks me on 20:17 - Jul 3 by Swailsey |
Oh I was gonna say! I’m losing my mind.
*edit* I don’t think there are, are they? Chico hasn’t posted at all. [Post edited 3 Jul 20:18]
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Phil or someone deleted my post which quoted Louis CK on the subject of abortion.
I don’t know why. |  |
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