| Junior Doctors 09:08 - Jul 25 with 6253 views | Chris_ITFC |
Yeah, I want a 30% pay rise too mate. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 16:26 - Jul 25 with 674 views | NedPlimpton |
| Junior Doctors on 15:38 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
Interesting. Tells us the type of people we are dealing with here. |
Interested to know what you mean by this |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 16:31 - Jul 25 with 642 views | Vic |
| Junior Doctors on 11:16 - Jul 25 by Freddies_Ears |
There are smarter ways to give them the rise without actually increasing their pay (such that your average football messageboard contributor would find it hard to argue against).
Given that doctors come out of training with a debt, interest-bearing, of over 100k [like, paying for their own apprenticeship], an interest moratorium would make some difference.
But that doesn't quite solve it of course. We need to lock them in as qualified docs can and do earn much, much more in other countries.
So, in addition to the interest moratorium (5% value?) reduce that 100k debt by 10k each year that the doc continues to work for the NHS. Paying 10k out of salary would be net of 40% tax, so would take around 16k a year out of 100k of salary.
This gives no pay rise, locks then in up to a decade, and is worth over 20% to them. |
The problem a payment in kind solution involving student loans and accomodation is that there are many resident Dr's who trained before the student kian scheme started so dont have the debt.
Something that somehow we need to address is the massively better work/life bakance and superior pay for Drs in places like Australia and NZ.
Ive no idea how they pay for it, but pay and conditions over there are vastly superior to the UK and many take the option of taking 5 yrs over there and getting set up for life. And really, who can blame them given how broken, and seemingly unfixable the NHS is.
Oh, and dear in mind that the gov have done nothing, nada, zilch, to move towards the other primises that were made to the Res Dr's as part of the last settlement.
Lastly, lets not forget these Res Dr's with be spending up 15yrs, studying for exams every year for nearly all all that time in order to give us the best help we need when we need it. Just for context, my son is in A&E and critical care, making life and death judgements on people every single hour of every day. [Post edited 25 Jul 16:43]
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| Junior Doctors on 16:39 - Jul 25 with 606 views | Benters |
| Junior Doctors on 15:38 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
Interesting. Tells us the type of people we are dealing with here. |
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| Junior Doctors on 16:47 - Jul 25 with 582 views | positivity |
| Junior Doctors on 16:39 - Jul 25 by Benters |
This |
interested to know what you mean by this |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 16:56 - Jul 25 with 561 views | leitrimblue |
| Junior Doctors on 15:38 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
Interesting. Tells us the type of people we are dealing with here. |
People who aren't comfortable with genocide? |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 16:57 - Jul 25 with 558 views | bluelagos |
| Junior Doctors on 15:32 - Jul 25 by Herbivore |
Cool. Did you also know that your employer would only give you below inflation pay increases for the next 15 years too? |
Or that the loans you had to take out would be going up by higher interest rates? |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:11 - Jul 25 with 525 views | Millsey |
I will have the interview, listen to what the pay and work structure is, thank them when I’m hired and weeks later say ‘I’m underpaid and overworked’
But hey every employee says the same!!!!! |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 17:11 - Jul 25 with 521 views | NedPlimpton |
| Junior Doctors on 16:39 - Jul 25 by Benters |
This |
What? | | | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:13 - Jul 25 with 509 views | blueasfook |
| Junior Doctors on 16:47 - Jul 25 by positivity |
interested to know what you mean by this |
Interested to know what you mean by asking what he means by this. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:20 - Jul 25 with 489 views | positivity |
| Junior Doctors on 17:13 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
Interested to know what you mean by asking what he means by this. |
this. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:21 - Jul 25 with 485 views | BlueBadger |
| Junior Doctors on 15:30 - Jul 25 by brazil1982 |
When I accepted my job, I knew the salary. |
Did you also accept 15 years of it falling behind the rate of inflation, too? |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:22 - Jul 25 with 468 views | BlueBadger |
| Junior Doctors on 11:35 - Jul 25 by tetchris |
Everyone is entitled to strike for better pay. One thing I’m against is them claiming overtime for the time they have to spend catching up because they have been on strike. Bit of a p*ss take. If you strike you shouldn’t get paid or be able to claim overtime in those circumstances. |
Should have an 'i' instead of an 'e' in your username, Chris. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:30 - Jul 25 with 444 views | NedPlimpton |
| Junior Doctors on 17:20 - Jul 25 by positivity |
this. |
I think Blueasfook's response shows exactly what type of people were dealing with here | | | |
| Junior Doctors on 17:35 - Jul 25 with 414 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Junior Doctors on 16:11 - Jul 25 by LeoMuff |
Think the nursing union is voting for strike action as we speak, and rightly so they got even less than the doctors in real terms not an increase at all and certainly didn’t get 22% last year with the same wages freezes under the previous mob for 17 years but on far less wages. |
Could be regionally. Nothing has dropped through the door from the RCN for Mrs Chelters. Unless its someone like Unison of course? |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:38 - Jul 25 with 418 views | blueasfook |
| Junior Doctors on 17:30 - Jul 25 by NedPlimpton |
I think Blueasfook's response shows exactly what type of people were dealing with here |
"WE WANT BETTER PAY Oh and Free Palestine". I bet there was at least a few Yasser Arafat scarves on show too. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:41 - Jul 25 with 389 views | Benters |
| Junior Doctors on 17:38 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
"WE WANT BETTER PAY Oh and Free Palestine". I bet there was at least a few Yasser Arafat scarves on show too. |
and that. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:42 - Jul 25 with 379 views | NedPlimpton |
| Junior Doctors on 17:38 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
"WE WANT BETTER PAY Oh and Free Palestine". I bet there was at least a few Yasser Arafat scarves on show too. |
Unions have always shown support for other causes that they see just. This is hardly something new or a bandwagon they're jumping on.
What's wrong with showing solidarity with Palestine? | | | |
| Junior Doctors on 17:46 - Jul 25 with 348 views | BlueBadger |
| Junior Doctors on 17:11 - Jul 25 by Millsey |
I will have the interview, listen to what the pay and work structure is, thank them when I’m hired and weeks later say ‘I’m underpaid and overworked’
But hey every employee says the same!!!!! |
Don't worry mate, I'm confident that you don't have the knowledge and skills to become a doctor, so it'll never happen to you. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:47 - Jul 25 with 343 views | BlueBadger |
| Junior Doctors on 15:38 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
Interesting. Tells us the type of people we are dealing with here. |
Interesting to see Team 'Be Kind, No Bullies' coming out in support of genocidists and against people who work to make sick people better for a living. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:56 - Jul 25 with 331 views | BlueBadger |
| Junior Doctors on 17:42 - Jul 25 by NedPlimpton |
Unions have always shown support for other causes that they see just. This is hardly something new or a bandwagon they're jumping on.
What's wrong with showing solidarity with Palestine? |
Team Be Kind turning out to show support for genocidists is massively on-brand, to be fair. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 17:59 - Jul 25 with 321 views | positivity |
| Junior Doctors on 17:47 - Jul 25 by BlueBadger |
Interesting to see Team 'Be Kind, No Bullies' coming out in support of genocidists and against people who work to make sick people better for a living. |
whenever they use the nhs, they bring a questionnaire asking if each member of staff has anti-genocidal viewpoints and demand to see a more hateful doctor/nurse if they fail to meet their criteria! | |
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| Junior Doctors on 18:00 - Jul 25 with 311 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yes. Or maybe no. Can I settle for a fk knows? |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 18:03 - Jul 25 with 292 views | StokieBlue |
| Junior Doctors on 17:38 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
"WE WANT BETTER PAY Oh and Free Palestine". I bet there was at least a few Yasser Arafat scarves on show too. |
True colours really coming out now, what an odious set of posts.
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| Junior Doctors on 18:06 - Jul 25 with 283 views | NedPlimpton |
| Junior Doctors on 18:03 - Jul 25 by StokieBlue |
True colours really coming out now, what an odious set of posts.
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Genuinely wonder what their views on the unions supporting the anti-apartheid movement would have been at that time
Think they're either showing themselves up as being naive to think unions don't have a history of getting involved in other political movements, or even worse are showing their true colours regarding Palestine | | | |
| Junior Doctors on 18:19 - Jul 25 with 253 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
Oh dear. The usual suspects ensuring this post gets put in the bin 🙄 | |
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