| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League 07:39 - Jul 27 with 3420 views | thebooks |
I know there are a few on here getting all starry-eyed about the “legitimate” protests in Epping, which have spread to Diss.
The BBC story quotes one of the Diss protest’s organisers:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq68r9y1qdmo
Glen Saffer was/is a member of the English Defence League. A simple Google search would have revealed this. I guess that’s beyond the capabilities of the BBC.
The fact that the protestors are talking about “invasions” and warn of the dangers of brown-skinned people assaulting children is quite a big clue, but not enough for some.
I mention it because we need to be aware of this fascist threat in our area. [Post edited 27 Jul 7:44]
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 12:56 - Jul 27 with 690 views | J2BLUE |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 12:51 - Jul 27 by eireblue |
You think the nuance of a slightly more difficult test for citizenship is going to counter the lies from Nigel “voting remain will mean opening up borders to 77 million Turks” Farage? |
I don't know. Worth a try to stop him. Do you have a plan other than sit back and watch him come to power and then insult anyone who voted for Reform? |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 12:57 - Jul 27 with 690 views | Trequartista |
Diss. |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:02 - Jul 27 with 669 views | leitrimblue |
I got 58%..
#Stop the Yachts |  | | |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:09 - Jul 27 with 646 views | blueasfook |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:02 - Jul 27 by leitrimblue |
I got 58%..
#Stop the Yachts |
I got 63%. Im being deported this afternoon. |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:09 - Jul 27 with 635 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 12:41 - Jul 27 by Herbivore |
Your usual made up crock of sh!t. |
your usual lack of any answers. telling communities to suck it up and stop with their 'far right rhetoric' won't make it go away you know. it will go on until policy makers reach another emperor's new clothes moment - fingers crossed it happens before farage is elected. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:16 - Jul 27 with 609 views | Herbivore |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:09 - Jul 27 by lowhouseblue |
your usual lack of any answers. telling communities to suck it up and stop with their 'far right rhetoric' won't make it go away you know. it will go on until policy makers reach another emperor's new clothes moment - fingers crossed it happens before farage is elected. |
A follow up crock of sh!t. I have no desire to engage with you. You are wilfully dishonest on this and most other topics and I'm done with it. |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:20 - Jul 27 with 593 views | leitrimblue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:09 - Jul 27 by blueasfook |
I got 63%. Im being deported this afternoon. |
Not bad. Some of those questions were strange enough. I'm afraid I won't be allowed entry back into the UK.
Long term this may be an issue, but short term I'm gonna try and use it as an excuse not to go shopping in Enniskillen this afternoon.
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:21 - Jul 27 with 576 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:16 - Jul 27 by Herbivore |
A follow up crock of sh!t. I have no desire to engage with you. You are wilfully dishonest on this and most other topics and I'm done with it. |
i make points you can't answer so you label them 'dishonest'. it's genuinely pathetic mate. you claim all sorts of expertise, but you can't engage in debate when your views are challenged by someone outside of your bubble. seriously, if you can't engage with reasoned challenge, it's your views which are proven to be the fragile ones. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:28 - Jul 27 with 548 views | Herbivore |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:21 - Jul 27 by lowhouseblue |
i make points you can't answer so you label them 'dishonest'. it's genuinely pathetic mate. you claim all sorts of expertise, but you can't engage in debate when your views are challenged by someone outside of your bubble. seriously, if you can't engage with reasoned challenge, it's your views which are proven to be the fragile ones. |
If you can point me to where in my posts on this thread I have said "communities need to suck it up" I will retract my comment that you are wilfully dishonest. Since you won't be able to do that because I've said nothing of the sort, I'll repeat that your tactic is to lie, obfuscate, and misrepresent. You are constantly dishonest and it's so normal to you that, even when it's pointed out to you, you aren't able to recognise it anymore. You poison the well of honest debate. I am done with you. | |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:38 - Jul 27 with 507 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 11:54 - Jul 27 by baxterbasics |
So long as people keep acting like the far right is the only thing we should be worrying about, this is only going to get worse. The likes of the EDL and the rise of Farage are an irritating symptom, not the illness itself. |
Sorry, I don’t understand. What is the fundamental problem, “the illness”, that needs sorting? In this case the far right are the ones stirring up trouble, so they’re very much the problem. |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:47 - Jul 27 with 480 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:28 - Jul 27 by Herbivore |
If you can point me to where in my posts on this thread I have said "communities need to suck it up" I will retract my comment that you are wilfully dishonest. Since you won't be able to do that because I've said nothing of the sort, I'll repeat that your tactic is to lie, obfuscate, and misrepresent. You are constantly dishonest and it's so normal to you that, even when it's pointed out to you, you aren't able to recognise it anymore. You poison the well of honest debate. I am done with you. |
ok, sticking to just this thread and ignoring all your previous repeated attempts to dismiss the issue. do you not agree that: "Immigration is already THE hot topic politically and gets disproportionate levels of coverage. Anti-immigration rhetoric is now the norm and is being trotted out .." is pretty dismissive. of course it is - you are labelling concerns as "disproportionate", and "rhetoric", and as "trotted out". you know full well what you're doing so don't pretend.
also, and i'm amazed i have to explain this, in informal relatively lighted hearted exchanges on something like, say, a football chat forum, we ALL adopt a relatively knock about and short-hand style of debate. it is more direct, confrontational and simplified style than anyone uses in real life and cuts corners to present a challenge to ideas more directly and concisely. EVERYONE does that and you know it - it is a specific and stylised form of debate. it simplifies and lampoons ideas in order to show their inherent inconsistencies. but, when you don't have any answers, just labelling people who use that style of discussion, which, again, everyone uses, including you, as "obfuscate, misrepresent and dishonest" is really weak. | |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:51 - Jul 27 with 469 views | WeWereZombies |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:38 - Jul 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Sorry, I don’t understand. What is the fundamental problem, “the illness”, that needs sorting? In this case the far right are the ones stirring up trouble, so they’re very much the problem. |
The far right are the spots, boils, pustules and general deathly skin pallor but Baxter_Basics is referring to something in the lifeblood of the nation. The poster will have to follow up and tell us what the cause of the 'illness' is but my guess is the geopolitical circumstances that drive people to migration giving rise to who has what, and what they have to do to get what they have. A Marxist will probably argue that the illness is capitalism, a Capitalist that it is an above minimal welfare state.
And Paul Lambert would say 'it is what it is.' |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:54 - Jul 27 with 454 views | StokieBlue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 11:54 - Jul 27 by baxterbasics |
So long as people keep acting like the far right is the only thing we should be worrying about, this is only going to get worse. The likes of the EDL and the rise of Farage are an irritating symptom, not the illness itself. |
What is the illness?
SB |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:57 - Jul 27 with 433 views | J2BLUE |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 13:51 - Jul 27 by WeWereZombies |
The far right are the spots, boils, pustules and general deathly skin pallor but Baxter_Basics is referring to something in the lifeblood of the nation. The poster will have to follow up and tell us what the cause of the 'illness' is but my guess is the geopolitical circumstances that drive people to migration giving rise to who has what, and what they have to do to get what they have. A Marxist will probably argue that the illness is capitalism, a Capitalist that it is an above minimal welfare state.
And Paul Lambert would say 'it is what it is.' |
It's also the consequences of the past. One migrant interviewed by Sky News said you colonised us. My dream is to come to the UK.
Another very good point came from a comedian who said they are taught English language and British history. He said they are not taught African history. Then when they grow up feeling like they know the UK they want to come here. Which is actually a very good point and something I hadn't considered before. | |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 15:58 - Jul 27 with 290 views | eireblue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 12:04 - Jul 27 by J2BLUE |
It can still be made better. Needing 75% on a 24 question paper lasting 45 minutes is barely worth it.
Also, we're really looking at optics as much as actual effectiveness. I know that shouldn't be the case but desperate times call for desperate measures. Farage isn't a distant threat. He is winning polls, winning over younger voters and the markets have priced him as favourite to be the next PM. |
You think the nuance of a slightly more difficult test for citizenship is going to counter the lies from Nigel “voting remain will mean opening up borders to 77 million Turks” Farage? |  | | |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 16:15 - Jul 27 with 253 views | eireblue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 12:56 - Jul 27 by J2BLUE |
I don't know. Worth a try to stop him. Do you have a plan other than sit back and watch him come to power and then insult anyone who voted for Reform? |
I don’t insult reform votes, just specific people for what they specifically say.
As I have posted on here on a number of occasions on these topics, if you have a look back, you need to talk about demographics and economics.
But you forget. Farage has been in politics for over 25 years.
And over those 25 years people have been playing his game. He has been saying for 25 years, “it’s not racist to talk about immigration” nobody said it was.
He made a straw man argument.
Remember people used to laugh at Farage. So pandering to populist positions hasn’t worked. It has helped Farage.
Saying stuff like yeah let’s make it slightly difficult for humans to become citizens is pandering.
Saying stuff like, humans all over the world are having a crap time due to wars, brutal regimes, climate change. The U.K. has a demographic and health issue.
It’s time we started being responsible world citizens, whilst also fixing wealth distribution. | | | |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 16:19 - Jul 27 with 241 views | tcblue |
It's been a few years since I've been to Diss (I've made better life choices recently), but I can't remember seeing any other brown people |  | | |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 16:23 - Jul 27 with 227 views | Freddies_Ears |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 11:24 - Jul 27 by thebooks |
Depends what you mean about not being labelled “racist”, I think.
If you look at that report, the whole thing is racist: the symbols on some of the flags and T-shirts, the language of “invasion”, the tropes of brown people raping “our” children, the placard picturing an alleged rapist. All this is the result of allowing the narrative pushed by Farage, Tommy Robinson et al to be given oxygen.
An “honest” debate? Hopefully you mean something to counter this racism? |
The Guardian led yesterday with a revelation that 40% of the post-Southport rioters had previous for domestic abuse incl violence. I do not identify with them. In any way. | | | |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 16:25 - Jul 27 with 223 views | J2BLUE |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 16:15 - Jul 27 by eireblue |
I don’t insult reform votes, just specific people for what they specifically say.
As I have posted on here on a number of occasions on these topics, if you have a look back, you need to talk about demographics and economics.
But you forget. Farage has been in politics for over 25 years.
And over those 25 years people have been playing his game. He has been saying for 25 years, “it’s not racist to talk about immigration” nobody said it was.
He made a straw man argument.
Remember people used to laugh at Farage. So pandering to populist positions hasn’t worked. It has helped Farage.
Saying stuff like yeah let’s make it slightly difficult for humans to become citizens is pandering.
Saying stuff like, humans all over the world are having a crap time due to wars, brutal regimes, climate change. The U.K. has a demographic and health issue.
It’s time we started being responsible world citizens, whilst also fixing wealth distribution. |
I said above it was mainly optics.
What would you do then? We can't ignore him and you don't seem to want to engage him? We have less than four years until he could be in Downing Street. Reform are a rolling snowball. They will gain momentum.
How do we stop it? When asking questions like this I often get idealistic responses back. Please keep it realistic because it needs to work in the real world. | |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 16:28 - Jul 27 with 220 views | Mullet |
https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/norfolk/news/news/2025/july/two-charged-with-
2 arrested both bussed in from Norwich by the look.
Absolutely shameful how the fash are being covered, supported and promoted in this country. Same people going on about poppies and being patriots, supporting and behaving like the people we fought in WW2. |  |
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| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 17:05 - Jul 27 with 164 views | eireblue |
| The Diss protests were organised by the English Defence League on 16:25 - Jul 27 by J2BLUE |
I said above it was mainly optics.
What would you do then? We can't ignore him and you don't seem to want to engage him? We have less than four years until he could be in Downing Street. Reform are a rolling snowball. They will gain momentum.
How do we stop it? When asking questions like this I often get idealistic responses back. Please keep it realistic because it needs to work in the real world. |
Not pandering and being open and honest, and talking about realities and demographics is being realistic.
The electorate will get the Government it deserves.
If Farage existed or didn’t exist, it doesn’t change demographics, climate change, results of wars and brutal dictators or economics, or wealth inequality.
For instance why should I change my principles because of what Farage lies about. I shouldn’t.
Neither should anyone else.
If people want to vote for populist liars, a little bit of Optics isn’t going to help. The populists are better at optics. | | | |
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