| Toxicity 08:31 - Aug 3 with 2430 views | FlittonBlue |
Am I alone in thinking things are going to turn pretty toxic very quickly this season if we dont get off to a good start? Seems like all the goodwill deservedly earned over the last 3 season has been drained over the last 12 months and anything negative gets 10 times the attention anything positive (like beating a French top division side 3-0 away) receives.
Maybe its just the usual internet vibe but boy do we need a good start to knock it on the head |  | | |  |
| Toxicity on 08:35 - Aug 3 with 2192 views | homer_123 |
Generally, not just football fans, people seem to have lost the ability to be objective. We are veering to extremes, be it positive or negative. Nuance, debate, objectivity are waning.
I say that but it’s not so much that these abilities have disappeared, but that the environments that once rewarded them are increasingly crowded out by ones that reward the opposite: such as speed, certainty, and emotional impact.
Not helped by short form communication and echo chambers.
As I say, not just football. |  |
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| Toxicity on 08:52 - Aug 3 with 1986 views | BloomBlue |
We've gained a lot of glory hunters in the last two seasons, it will only be natural they're going to get upset if we start slowly.
On a positive, they will problem go back to putting their ManC, L'pool etc shirts back on if we do start slowly. |  | | |
| Toxicity on 09:05 - Aug 3 with 1857 views | RobTheMonk |
It's tough going from that 'Band of Brothers' team that pulled us out of League 1 and then did something special in the Championship to get promoted.
We now need to get behind the team and help make a newer band. |  | | |
| Toxicity on 09:44 - Aug 3 with 1631 views | urbanpenguin |
There are seemingly so many impatient, angry and not that deeply thinking town fans at the moment.
Not that it's not important to be critical - it's literally my job to be, as a critic - but there's so much reactionary and reflexive hyperbole.
I know we keep talking about the team that got up from League One, but beyond that the last twenty years have been hard, hard work and where the club are now it's incredible and it's just great that it's not gone the route of Bury, Morecambe or Sheffield Wednesday.
I think there's frequently a total lack of perspective and a lack of people not having enough other interests in life to occupy their minds. Both those things can, as you say, easily get toxic and just very, very stupid, very quickly. |  | | |
| Toxicity on 09:50 - Aug 3 with 1564 views | LeoMuff |
Many of the demoted clubs start slowly, lots of player turn over, change of pace from prem, hangover from getting battered, it would not be a surprise if it happens to us.
Would be ridiculous if people did get angsty as the season is a long one and plenty of time to make up ground. |  |
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| Toxicity on 09:51 - Aug 3 with 1562 views | Herbivore |
There's a lot of posters on here that suddenly appeared last season who only ever posted repetitive negative dross. I'd hoped they'd disappear when we went down but it seems not. Most of the fan base is more balanced, even those expressing some worries about where we're at. Unfortunately, the minority of proper bellends are often the most vocal so it makes their views look more widespread than they actually are. I don't think things will turn nasty, not unless the first couple of months is a complete car crash, which I think is unlikely. |  |
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| Toxicity on 10:01 - Aug 3 with 1450 views | dirtyboy |
Some people are just wired up different.
My mother went in a cruise and when she came back the first things she tells me are about he showers not having enough pressure, the pillows not nice, etc…all pretty meaningless sh*t and I had to literally press her on the places she visited which turns out were all very nice, but she can’t avoid complaining about inconsequential stuff and fails miserably with context and any bigger picture.
It isn’t anything like lack of intelligence, it’s more of a weird coping mechanism to expect the worst and not be disappointed.
The sad thing is that positivity breeds positivity and is absolutely a driver of performance in sport, McKenna often cites a positive crowd and that’s because he understands it’s needed. |  | | |
| Toxicity on 10:03 - Aug 3 with 1401 views | chicoazul |
Believe a lot of the casuals who jumped in the bandwagon last season won’t be around this season. Nature is healing. |  |
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| Toxicity on 10:06 - Aug 3 with 1367 views | wrightsrightglove |
I think this pre-season has just reinforced that we’ll never have another season like 23/24. Everyone was pulling in the same direction that season to try and achieve something that very few thought was possible. The managers, players, fans and clubs dreams all aligned, getting Ipswich to the premier league was *the* aim. This season, if we’re top at Christmas, people will be happy, but not suprised. We’ve got players who want the club to get promoted, but whose main priority is to progress their careers and play at the top level.
Part of that is due to where the 23/24 squad had come from, part of that is due to where the club wants to get to and the necessary process, part of that is just modern football.
Expectations are going to be high this season, and patience will be low. Fingers crossed everyone can stick together and we’ll have another incredible season. | | | |
| Toxicity on 10:15 - Aug 3 with 1264 views | Bobbychase |
There is a minority that tends to dominate social media and forums, always keen to moan and very slow to praise. Modern football's desire for instant success has perhaps amplified their voices.
I've said this before, but that Paul Cook transfer window when we signed 19 new players and it felt like there was an announcement every other day has made people feel like transfers are easy when you have the money to spend. They're not, but the best players are worth being patient over - like Hirst.
The majority of fans, I believe, understand and appreciate the journey the club is on. |  |
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| Toxicity on 10:20 - Aug 3 with 1202 views | southnorfolkblue |
Don’t see it personally.
Avoid the noise on social media and I think we’re generally a pretty rational bunch of fans. We have faith in our manager and I don’t see that changing anytime soon | |
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| Toxicity on 10:29 - Aug 3 with 1073 views | TheBlueGnu |
It will only turn toxic by folk who enjoy, and revel, in toxicity. My view is that the moon over Westleton last night had the texture of lemon meringue, which may explain the erratic behaviour of local budgerigars and why the council’s attempt to install a tactical trebuchet at the bus station was quietly shelved. | |
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| Toxicity on 10:30 - Aug 3 with 1050 views | TheBlueGnu |
While goodwill may be waning, the aggressive barn owls of Stuston Common have taken to wearing tiny capes, insisting it's a new form of diplomatic protest. Whether this influences early-season form remains to be seen. | |
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| Toxicity on 10:38 - Aug 3 with 979 views | NthQldITFC |
There are undoubtedly a lot of troll accounts on here, but also some genuine angst from Town fans.
We set very high transfer targets which is great and we have backup plans, which we're in a great position to use if we don't land these top targets.
We've got a fantastic core of a squad and will fill it out with top level Championship signings in the next two or three weeks if we can't land the really big, ambitious, fantastic-if-they-come-off type signings which we're absolutely right to try for with next season very much in mind.
Div icon works well. |  |
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| Toxicity on 10:48 - Aug 3 with 906 views | stonojnr |
| Toxicity on 08:52 - Aug 3 by BloomBlue |
We've gained a lot of glory hunters in the last two seasons, it will only be natural they're going to get upset if we start slowly.
On a positive, they will problem go back to putting their ManC, L'pool etc shirts back on if we do start slowly. |
we did, but why is it natural they get upset ? that just highlights how rubbish they are as "fans" and havent the ability to see beyond the end of their noses.
and weve already seen them, remember January in the Championship, remember last season, its like unless we win every game 6-0 theyll throw the bathwater out with the baby.
Ive already seen some of them claiming were going to do 100goals, 100points were back on SS Storm the League.
so theyre all going to have a massive come down when reality bites. | | | |
| Toxicity on 10:51 - Aug 3 with 867 views | Blue_In_Boston |
Life in general has become more polarised over recent years. I watched a programme on it, and they put much of it down to things like Twitter where you tend to follow people who echo your own view.
This site is very similar, there are two camps for sure and the middle ground that is the most balanced view Is often ignored. [Post edited 3 Aug 10:53]
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| Toxicity on 10:56 - Aug 3 with 794 views | Guthrum |
| Toxicity on 08:35 - Aug 3 by homer_123 |
Generally, not just football fans, people seem to have lost the ability to be objective. We are veering to extremes, be it positive or negative. Nuance, debate, objectivity are waning.
I say that but it’s not so much that these abilities have disappeared, but that the environments that once rewarded them are increasingly crowded out by ones that reward the opposite: such as speed, certainty, and emotional impact.
Not helped by short form communication and echo chambers.
As I say, not just football. |
Absolutely the case. I remember a friend of mine who worked with children saying that attention spans have actually declined, with some unable to read through a full A4 page of text.
Emotiveness is quick (especially on a superficial level), thought and research takes time. The former is also more polarising than the nuance of considered opinions. |  |
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| Toxicity on 10:58 - Aug 3 with 771 views | Swailsey |
Hell of an album. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Toxicity on 11:08 - Aug 3 with 678 views | Ryorry |
| Toxicity on 10:56 - Aug 3 by Guthrum |
Absolutely the case. I remember a friend of mine who worked with children saying that attention spans have actually declined, with some unable to read through a full A4 page of text.
Emotiveness is quick (especially on a superficial level), thought and research takes time. The former is also more polarising than the nuance of considered opinions. |
Most perspicacious comment I’ve ever heard re social media was from someone who decided not to join any because she found it such an “instantly reactive” form of communicating. That’s spot on I think. |  |
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| Toxicity on 11:17 - Aug 3 with 633 views | Guthrum |
| Toxicity on 11:08 - Aug 3 by Ryorry |
Most perspicacious comment I’ve ever heard re social media was from someone who decided not to join any because she found it such an “instantly reactive” form of communicating. That’s spot on I think. |
Much of modern media (social or otherwise) is deliberately provocative to drive engagement in an overcrowded and hugely competitive environment, where the revenue model is based upon getting hits and follows.
By the time a reader has got to the bottom of a TLDR article, they could have clicked on 15 other things which they may be "surprised" or "amazed" to see. The latter showing that emotions are not only being stirred up, but also directed and manipulated. Tho that is as old as time, it's cruder and more blatant as the windows to grab attention get smaller. | |
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| Toxicity on 11:24 - Aug 3 with 581 views | darkhorse28 |
| Toxicity on 09:51 - Aug 3 by Herbivore |
There's a lot of posters on here that suddenly appeared last season who only ever posted repetitive negative dross. I'd hoped they'd disappear when we went down but it seems not. Most of the fan base is more balanced, even those expressing some worries about where we're at. Unfortunately, the minority of proper bellends are often the most vocal so it makes their views look more widespread than they actually are. I don't think things will turn nasty, not unless the first couple of months is a complete car crash, which I think is unlikely. |
Yeah, agree completely.
Nothing worse than a rump who’d think only their opinion is valid, and post the same point over and over, and over, and can’t allow any deviation from their narrow view.
They’re like little fascists in echo chambers, just confirming their bias .., and shouting ‘Daasn’ a lot.
The ‘this is progress’ self preservation narrative hasn’t aged well, that’s not to say we won’t have a great season.
It’s just it was always a complete load of self preservation nonsense.
Our key players have all left or leaving, we haven’t planned for key roles we’ve known need replacing for 2 years, during which time we spent £150 million.
It’s hardly all doom and gloom, a huge amount to also be positive about….., but you might want to leave some room for critical thinking, and objective evaluation.
Because our own owners, have validated those issues raised, and we are up for sale, and selling £100 million of player inventory.
So as of tens is the case…., you didn’t have any balance or objectivity, just your need to control a narrative and be tribal and play the man not the issue.
Maybe start with an apology to all those people you attacked when they said all our best players would leave.
Delap, Cajuste, Hutchinson, Broadhead, Tuenzabe, Butgess, Morsy.
Will be fantastic to get Cajuste back if it happens, he’s a level above this league.
But that’s our best 5 or 6 players.
And we have 1 player who’s never kicked a competitive ball for us, for two key CDM roles…, after years of recruitment and hundreds of millions invested.
We could get 100 points, and get promoted doing hand stands, and that’s still AWFUL strategic planning, contingency, talent ID and not how to run a professional football club…, at any level.
It’s so poor.
But you don’t get it do you, you’d rather be wrong and try to get a thumbs up on a football forum, than understand any issue.
That’s where you differ from some of those you try to control.
Maybe the RY care more about the club, the issue, than your need for validation.
Ashton has been really poor the last 18 months, and KM is looking increasingly like a very talented coach, who lacks some of the skills to be an elite manager.
Just my opinion.
But if true, we can’t be elite without addressing the elephants in the room…, and elite isn’t EFL football, where I think you’d rather be facing Forest Green, than the difficult and frank conversations required, to be elite.
Our club is better than where are at this current time.
When the owners sell, hopefully we’ll get football people, that call out KM’s weaknesses and get him the support he needs, so if he wants to be on the pitch all the time, he can, and we can still do talent ID, strategic and contingency planning, at levels WAY above this mess.
Because no midfield in a squad this size, worths hundreds of millions is a string blue as to the challenges. | | | |
| Toxicity on 11:27 - Aug 3 with 558 views | Libero |
There's certainly a lot of entitlement rattling around our fan-base currently, I don't think being favourites for promotion helps.
What Gamechanger, McKenna and Ashton have done and continue to do is absolutely incredible, our club has been taken from a situation where we were dying slowly for twenty+ years, to where we're competing for Premier League players, bringing through some of the best young talent in the UK, have finances backing us that are somewhat unrivalled for a club of our size and a packed stadium every week of people who want to see us play.
We're living in the good old days, but you don't know it's the good old days until they're gone.
All that being said, I do fear that if we don't get off to a good start that vocal morons will behave in a way that cuts our nose off to spite our face - just look at Muric being booed in pre-season... |  | | |
| Toxicity on 11:32 - Aug 3 with 513 views | Simonds92 |
| Toxicity on 09:05 - Aug 3 by RobTheMonk |
It's tough going from that 'Band of Brothers' team that pulled us out of League 1 and then did something special in the Championship to get promoted.
We now need to get behind the team and help make a newer band. |
I do have concerns that we have lost too many players who are fighters and put everything on the line to go and win a game in the last minute or hold on to an important result.
We may have improved on some of our players technically but for sheer bloody mindedness, fight and spirit to get the result, would you rather have Burgess or Greaves, Morsy / Massimo or Azor / Jens, Broadhead or Clarke / Philogene?
A few of those new names went missing a bit last season when the going got tough imo. In comparison the other names really drove us on with belief we would get the result. | | | |
| Toxicity on 11:33 - Aug 3 with 503 views | Herbivore |
| Toxicity on 11:24 - Aug 3 by darkhorse28 |
Yeah, agree completely.
Nothing worse than a rump who’d think only their opinion is valid, and post the same point over and over, and over, and can’t allow any deviation from their narrow view.
They’re like little fascists in echo chambers, just confirming their bias .., and shouting ‘Daasn’ a lot.
The ‘this is progress’ self preservation narrative hasn’t aged well, that’s not to say we won’t have a great season.
It’s just it was always a complete load of self preservation nonsense.
Our key players have all left or leaving, we haven’t planned for key roles we’ve known need replacing for 2 years, during which time we spent £150 million.
It’s hardly all doom and gloom, a huge amount to also be positive about….., but you might want to leave some room for critical thinking, and objective evaluation.
Because our own owners, have validated those issues raised, and we are up for sale, and selling £100 million of player inventory.
So as of tens is the case…., you didn’t have any balance or objectivity, just your need to control a narrative and be tribal and play the man not the issue.
Maybe start with an apology to all those people you attacked when they said all our best players would leave.
Delap, Cajuste, Hutchinson, Broadhead, Tuenzabe, Butgess, Morsy.
Will be fantastic to get Cajuste back if it happens, he’s a level above this league.
But that’s our best 5 or 6 players.
And we have 1 player who’s never kicked a competitive ball for us, for two key CDM roles…, after years of recruitment and hundreds of millions invested.
We could get 100 points, and get promoted doing hand stands, and that’s still AWFUL strategic planning, contingency, talent ID and not how to run a professional football club…, at any level.
It’s so poor.
But you don’t get it do you, you’d rather be wrong and try to get a thumbs up on a football forum, than understand any issue.
That’s where you differ from some of those you try to control.
Maybe the RY care more about the club, the issue, than your need for validation.
Ashton has been really poor the last 18 months, and KM is looking increasingly like a very talented coach, who lacks some of the skills to be an elite manager.
Just my opinion.
But if true, we can’t be elite without addressing the elephants in the room…, and elite isn’t EFL football, where I think you’d rather be facing Forest Green, than the difficult and frank conversations required, to be elite.
Our club is better than where are at this current time.
When the owners sell, hopefully we’ll get football people, that call out KM’s weaknesses and get him the support he needs, so if he wants to be on the pitch all the time, he can, and we can still do talent ID, strategic and contingency planning, at levels WAY above this mess.
Because no midfield in a squad this size, worths hundreds of millions is a string blue as to the challenges. |
And they all lived happily ever after. | |
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| Toxicity on 11:36 - Aug 3 with 467 views | Benters |
‘Toxic’.
If we do go a bit wobbly at the start of the season there may be some tutting or some sharp intaking of breath,we don’t do ‘toxic’ here.. |  |
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