| What a waste of our taxes on 13:46 - Aug 10 with 640 views | lowhouseblue |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:30 - Aug 10 by reusersfreekicks |
The usual whataboutery |
and that's the just usual one liner to shut your ears to inconvenient stuff. if you set yourself the standard that failing to demonstrate and take action is "Staying silent and just continuing to stand by as the horror unfolds" then you are guilty of "Staying silent and just continuing to stand by as the horror unfolds" in respect of many humanitarian disasters in the world, some of which are worse than what is happening in gaza. if you claim to live by that standard, then your silence and standing by in respect of so many things brings shame on you. pointing out inconsistency and double standards is not 'whataboutery'. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 13:49 - Aug 10 with 636 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What a waste of our taxes on 12:19 - Aug 10 by ArmaghBlue |
People are just stupid supporting terrorism and getting arrested as a result. It is cowardly and pointless to protest about a problem 1000’s of miles away.
If they were really that concerned they should go and protest at the sourc [Post edited 10 Aug 12:21]
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You are still doing it. They are not supporting terrorism. But you know that, because I have pointed it out in blunt terms twice, in reply to your comments. |  | | |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:51 - Aug 10 with 626 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:26 - Aug 10 by ronnyd |
Genuine question here. How does throwing paint on a plane cost £7,000,000? |
Not sure why it matters.
But the answer is that it went into the engines, apparently. Likely necessitating a full strip down and rebuild. | | | |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:51 - Aug 10 with 626 views | NthQldITFC |
| What a waste of our taxes on 12:19 - Aug 10 by ArmaghBlue |
People are just stupid supporting terrorism and getting arrested as a result. It is cowardly and pointless to protest about a problem 1000’s of miles away.
If they were really that concerned they should go and protest at the sourc [Post edited 10 Aug 12:21]
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Arsehole. |  |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 13:57 - Aug 10 with 604 views | LeoMuff |
| What a waste of our taxes on 11:41 - Aug 10 by Benters |
I wish they worried about this country a bit more. |
I don’t see 65000 people the majority woman and children and some queuing for food being killed here, we unfortunately have people getting their knickers in a twist over 60 people in hotel trying to escape wars and dictatorships. |  |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 13:59 - Aug 10 with 600 views | LeoMuff |
| What a waste of our taxes on 12:00 - Aug 10 by Benters |
If they are that worried about it why don’t they go wave flags and banners over there ? |
Because Israel won’t let them in ? | |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 14:01 - Aug 10 with 588 views | LeoMuff |
| What a waste of our taxes on 12:19 - Aug 10 by ArmaghBlue |
People are just stupid supporting terrorism and getting arrested as a result. It is cowardly and pointless to protest about a problem 1000’s of miles away.
If they were really that concerned they should go and protest at the sourc [Post edited 10 Aug 12:21]
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Pleased you weren’t around in WW2 , Adolf would have taken Europe unopposed. | |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 14:23 - Aug 10 with 525 views | noggin |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:46 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
and that's the just usual one liner to shut your ears to inconvenient stuff. if you set yourself the standard that failing to demonstrate and take action is "Staying silent and just continuing to stand by as the horror unfolds" then you are guilty of "Staying silent and just continuing to stand by as the horror unfolds" in respect of many humanitarian disasters in the world, some of which are worse than what is happening in gaza. if you claim to live by that standard, then your silence and standing by in respect of so many things brings shame on you. pointing out inconsistency and double standards is not 'whataboutery'. |
Britain played a big role in the formation of Israel and the subsequent nakba, where arabs were forced from their homes and land. America, our closest ally is financing the current ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the continuing theft of land by so called settlers in the West Bank. Consecutive governments have refused to condemn the ethnic cleansing or America’s financing of it.
Israel is, supposedly, a developed democracy, with close ties to western democracies. The Palestinian people have no voice and they are being starved and slaughtered by our ally, and our politicians do nothing.
Of course those of us with a conscience are outraged and saddened. That doesn’t mean we don’t care about other atrocities taking place around the world. [Post edited 10 Aug 14:26]
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| What a waste of our taxes on 14:30 - Aug 10 with 493 views | lowhouseblue |
| What a waste of our taxes on 14:23 - Aug 10 by noggin |
Britain played a big role in the formation of Israel and the subsequent nakba, where arabs were forced from their homes and land. America, our closest ally is financing the current ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the continuing theft of land by so called settlers in the West Bank. Consecutive governments have refused to condemn the ethnic cleansing or America’s financing of it.
Israel is, supposedly, a developed democracy, with close ties to western democracies. The Palestinian people have no voice and they are being starved and slaughtered by our ally, and our politicians do nothing.
Of course those of us with a conscience are outraged and saddened. That doesn’t mean we don’t care about other atrocities taking place around the world. [Post edited 10 Aug 14:26]
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the war in yemen has killed 300,000 plus and saudi arabia, one of our closest allies, plus the usa etc, have been combatants. why no weekly marches and social media focus? 100,000+ ukranians have been killed by russia - no weekly demonstrations outside the russian embassy? 500+ children have died of starvation in nigeria, a middle income state we have close ties to, where are the demonstrations and the social media outrage. if you claim that 'standing by' is unacceptable, why are people standing by in these cases? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 14:51 - Aug 10 with 465 views | DJR |
| What a waste of our taxes on 14:30 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
the war in yemen has killed 300,000 plus and saudi arabia, one of our closest allies, plus the usa etc, have been combatants. why no weekly marches and social media focus? 100,000+ ukranians have been killed by russia - no weekly demonstrations outside the russian embassy? 500+ children have died of starvation in nigeria, a middle income state we have close ties to, where are the demonstrations and the social media outrage. if you claim that 'standing by' is unacceptable, why are people standing by in these cases? |
When it comes to Yemen, I imagine many of those currently protesting in favour of Palestine Action will have been critical of Western involvement. But more generally that conflict has been kept off the news, in my view in order to hide Western involvement. And if people don't know what's going on, they are not going to protest.
As regards Ukraine, the contrast with Gaza couldn't be greater, with strong government and public support from the outset, vast amounts of military and humanitarian aid, 250,000 Ukrainian refugees and Ukrainian flags everywhere. In such circumstances, there is no need to protest because there isn't a need to try to change government policy.
As regards Nigeria, that is, sadly, the sort of thing that only gets reported on the World Service which I listen to daily.
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| What a waste of our taxes on 14:57 - Aug 10 with 451 views | noggin |
| What a waste of our taxes on 14:30 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
the war in yemen has killed 300,000 plus and saudi arabia, one of our closest allies, plus the usa etc, have been combatants. why no weekly marches and social media focus? 100,000+ ukranians have been killed by russia - no weekly demonstrations outside the russian embassy? 500+ children have died of starvation in nigeria, a middle income state we have close ties to, where are the demonstrations and the social media outrage. if you claim that 'standing by' is unacceptable, why are people standing by in these cases? |
Britain is supporting Ukraine and all parties have condemned the Russian invasion.
Yemen, sadly, is a hidden atrocity, which keeps it from people’s minds. I’m sure if it was more widely reported, people would be protesting.
Saudi Arabia should definitely not be our ally, but oil is a powerful tool in the battle for world order. Many posters on here have called out colonialism and American aggression. Britain was directly involved in the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and there were huge demonstrations. As many as 1 million people lost their lives, and for what? Should they have just stayed silent, because other people elsewhere are dying?
The world is big. Ordinary people can’t focus on, and protest against, everything that happens. | |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 14:59 - Aug 10 with 434 views | Herbivore |
| What a waste of our taxes on 12:44 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
what's seen as lefty nonsense is causing millions of pounds of damage to defence assets, and taking raf planes out of service, at a time when europe faces a real and increasing threat from putin. opposing 'genocide' doesn't give someone protection from acting like a half wit. |
I see you're quick to tar the left based on the actions of a few individuals, the sort of thing I thought you considered to be corrosive in political debate. Perhaps that's only your thinking when it's those of you on the right who are in the wrong though. Also not really sure what the point of this post is given that everyone has condemned the actions of those who broke into the RAF base and caused millions of pounds of damage. Not like you to straw man it. |  |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 15:01 - Aug 10 with 420 views | reusersfreekicks |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:46 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
and that's the just usual one liner to shut your ears to inconvenient stuff. if you set yourself the standard that failing to demonstrate and take action is "Staying silent and just continuing to stand by as the horror unfolds" then you are guilty of "Staying silent and just continuing to stand by as the horror unfolds" in respect of many humanitarian disasters in the world, some of which are worse than what is happening in gaza. if you claim to live by that standard, then your silence and standing by in respect of so many things brings shame on you. pointing out inconsistency and double standards is not 'whataboutery'. |
Basically protesting about this bad thing is invalid cos you haven't protested about other bad things.
Just a desperate effort to find a way to devalue people's efforts.
Apart from sniping from the sidelines what do you do? |  | | |
| What a waste of our taxes on 15:06 - Aug 10 with 393 views | Herbivore |
| What a waste of our taxes on 14:30 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
the war in yemen has killed 300,000 plus and saudi arabia, one of our closest allies, plus the usa etc, have been combatants. why no weekly marches and social media focus? 100,000+ ukranians have been killed by russia - no weekly demonstrations outside the russian embassy? 500+ children have died of starvation in nigeria, a middle income state we have close ties to, where are the demonstrations and the social media outrage. if you claim that 'standing by' is unacceptable, why are people standing by in these cases? |
We've got a heady blend of whataboutery and false equivalence, to go with your earlier straw manning. Is there ANY debate you'll engage in with intellectual honesty and good faith? It seems not. | |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 15:18 - Aug 10 with 366 views | SomethingBlue |
| What a waste of our taxes on 14:30 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
the war in yemen has killed 300,000 plus and saudi arabia, one of our closest allies, plus the usa etc, have been combatants. why no weekly marches and social media focus? 100,000+ ukranians have been killed by russia - no weekly demonstrations outside the russian embassy? 500+ children have died of starvation in nigeria, a middle income state we have close ties to, where are the demonstrations and the social media outrage. if you claim that 'standing by' is unacceptable, why are people standing by in these cases? |
I've read some disingenuous arguments on here down the years but this one is well up there, congrats. | |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 15:19 - Aug 10 with 355 views | Dubtractor |
| What a waste of our taxes on 14:30 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
the war in yemen has killed 300,000 plus and saudi arabia, one of our closest allies, plus the usa etc, have been combatants. why no weekly marches and social media focus? 100,000+ ukranians have been killed by russia - no weekly demonstrations outside the russian embassy? 500+ children have died of starvation in nigeria, a middle income state we have close ties to, where are the demonstrations and the social media outrage. if you claim that 'standing by' is unacceptable, why are people standing by in these cases? |
I'm sure you used to offer some fair and balanced opinions on here, but recently you've just descended into dishonest and disingenuous nonsense to try and distract from valid points.
It's pretty poor stuff tbh. |  |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 15:39 - Aug 10 with 301 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| What a waste of our taxes on 08:10 - Aug 10 by ArmaghBlue |
Terrorist sympathisers aren’t the brightest colour in the rainbow.
They are an interesting breed and probably proud of having such things on their criminal records. |
Somebody from Armagh should be able to tell the difference between a terrorist and a nun with a sign. | | | |
| What a waste of our taxes on 15:41 - Aug 10 with 293 views | ronnyd |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:51 - Aug 10 by redrickstuhaart |
Not sure why it matters.
But the answer is that it went into the engines, apparently. Likely necessitating a full strip down and rebuild. |
Was curious, that's all. Thanks for the reply. | | | |
| What a waste of our taxes on 16:18 - Aug 10 with 251 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What a waste of our taxes on 09:54 - Aug 10 by Blueschev |
I’d argue that civil disobedience in an age where laws are abused is essential if we wish to continue to live in a free society. |
Post of the thread so far. It’s always been a prerequisite towards a fairer society to challenge draconian and authoritarian laws. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think I’d have the guts to do it, but I’d defend anyone’s rights to resist/fight for a better future. I’m not sure how far I’d go on the use of violence (I’ve never thought about it before now). I instinctively thought I’d not support violent protest, but maybe there are some cases when regimes are so brutal it’s needed? Not in this case, but against the extreme injustices like apartheid. |  |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 16:21 - Aug 10 with 237 views | Benters |
| What a waste of our taxes on 12:23 - Aug 10 by eireblue |
Hang on. I’ll not have you say things like that about Benters.
Pigs have shown levels of cognitive sophistication in tests
Benters has never, ever tried to reach those levels, I’ll thank you. |
Thanks buddy.
Peace and love. |  |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 17:48 - Aug 10 with 132 views | DJR |
The video on this link is well worth a watch. It's all rather Orwellian and shameful, especially given the reaction of a couple of people from outside these shores.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2025/aug/10/im-retired-and-im-not-scar
And given what's going on, it makes it difficult for the UK to condemn the arrest of protestors in places like Hong Kong. [Post edited 10 Aug 17:53]
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| What a waste of our taxes on 18:14 - Aug 10 with 108 views | Whos_blue |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:21 - Aug 10 by lowhouseblue |
well people generally seem ok about staying silent and standing by as horror unfolds in sudan, yeman, nigeria, ukraine, as well as the uyghurs in china. their horror isn't forcing them on to the streets in respect of those humanitarian disasters. |
But to a greater or lesser degree it has though.
People have protested about all of those terrible situations you mention.
That said, I just don't get the Ukraine reference. That reference alone almost undermines the whole premise of your point (which has same basis in fact). I really don't get that.
The others you mention just don't get the air time or the coverage, but there will always be a group of interested people campaigning against them.
You've mentioned these other horrors several times before, so I'm presuming they are causes you feel very passionately about.
What do you do about? Do you attend protests or are you just making a point about others picking and chosing what causes they support? That's fair enough but arguably a little unreasonable if you do nothing yourself. |  |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 18:23 - Aug 10 with 93 views | Che |
George Orwell was very accurate with his predictions. Our media has done a good job on most of you. |  | | |
| What a waste of our taxes on 18:25 - Aug 10 with 89 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What a waste of our taxes on 13:51 - Aug 10 by NthQldITFC |
Arsehole. |
Sometimes, when reasoning just doesn’t get through, it pays to be a bit more, er, direct  | |
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| What a waste of our taxes on 18:49 - Aug 10 with 61 views | redrickstuhaart |
| What a waste of our taxes on 17:48 - Aug 10 by DJR |
The video on this link is well worth a watch. It's all rather Orwellian and shameful, especially given the reaction of a couple of people from outside these shores.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2025/aug/10/im-retired-and-im-not-scar
And given what's going on, it makes it difficult for the UK to condemn the arrest of protestors in places like Hong Kong. [Post edited 10 Aug 17:53]
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It is absolutely shameful and utterly reminiscent of Hong Kong, Russia, and Trumps America.
Probably sufficient to persuade me that I will never consider a vote for Labour.
If they were holding up signs saying that they supported an active murderous terrorist group, then fine. That's what the law is for. The proscription of a protest group under terror laws in the birthplace of modern democracy is beyond appalling.
Under these laws, people wearing greenpeace badges, CND signs etc could easily be proscribed on similar grounds and people arrested accordingly as terrorists. [Post edited 10 Aug 18:54]
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