| Might sound really obvious... 09:26 - Aug 11 with 2419 views | tractorboy1978 |
But thought we really missed Hutchinson on Friday. We needed a ball carrier centrally to drag us up the pitch. I really like Szmodics but that isn't him. If Hutchinson does go, we need someone of a similar profile. I've been pretty firm on here that I wouldn't be selling him though. I think we should be setting our stall out as we have with Davis.
It's also clear to me that for all the 'better' on paper options we have, Chaplin and Broadhead still make us tick a lot better. They know the patterns instinctively and we look more cohesive. McKenna's challenge is finding a blend of 'better' players that functions as well as that front 4 did in 23/24.
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:30 - Aug 11 with 1929 views | Herbivore |
I think Chappers is a better fit for our more central 10 role than Szmodics for sure. Szmodics does bring qualities to the table but his use of the ball isn't all that great and I don't feel he links our attacking play together in the way Chaplin is able to. Great threat in behind but not sure that's what we need from our 10. Broadhead is more comfortable than Clarke at playing that inside forward role currently too. Clarke's instinct is to start a lot wider. I think Philogene, when fit again, will be more natural in that role than Clarke while also being an upgrade on Broadhead. |  |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:32 - Aug 11 with 1896 views | SomethingBlue |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:30 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
I think Chappers is a better fit for our more central 10 role than Szmodics for sure. Szmodics does bring qualities to the table but his use of the ball isn't all that great and I don't feel he links our attacking play together in the way Chaplin is able to. Great threat in behind but not sure that's what we need from our 10. Broadhead is more comfortable than Clarke at playing that inside forward role currently too. Clarke's instinct is to start a lot wider. I think Philogene, when fit again, will be more natural in that role than Clarke while also being an upgrade on Broadhead. |
Yep, we are much more "us" when Chappers is in there and generally were last season too. Does feel a bit like his time here is tailing off but I'd like to see him start on Sunday. Stick Szmodics on for an energy/goal threat boost later. | |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:35 - Aug 11 with 1840 views | lazyblue |
I know the money for Broadhead is very good but just don’t want him to leave as he is the one player who can create or score a goal out of nothing . | | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:36 - Aug 11 with 1830 views | Dubtractor |
I commented on here Friday that Szmodics is more of a support striker than a link man, unlike omari or Chappers, and we really needed the link option on Friday. |  |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:36 - Aug 11 with 1825 views | southnorfolkblue |
Don’t think the Hutch and Davis situations are comparable imho. Hutch clearly wants out, whereas there is nothing at the moment to suggest that Davis is pushed for a move.
Like you I want Hutch to stay and we missed him on Friday, but keeping a player that doesn’t want to be here is likely to cause more harm than good imho | |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:41 - Aug 11 with 1721 views | TractorJack |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:30 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
I think Chappers is a better fit for our more central 10 role than Szmodics for sure. Szmodics does bring qualities to the table but his use of the ball isn't all that great and I don't feel he links our attacking play together in the way Chaplin is able to. Great threat in behind but not sure that's what we need from our 10. Broadhead is more comfortable than Clarke at playing that inside forward role currently too. Clarke's instinct is to start a lot wider. I think Philogene, when fit again, will be more natural in that role than Clarke while also being an upgrade on Broadhead. |
I'd happily see Chaplin in the 10, Sammie inside left and Clarke wide right until the squad is settled / back fit. |  | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:41 - Aug 11 with 1720 views | Whos_blue |
MA seen leaving a local chemist's with a large box of Strepsils this morning. Def Info. |  |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:42 - Aug 11 with 1706 views | DarkBrandon |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:36 - Aug 11 by southnorfolkblue |
Don’t think the Hutch and Davis situations are comparable imho. Hutch clearly wants out, whereas there is nothing at the moment to suggest that Davis is pushed for a move.
Like you I want Hutch to stay and we missed him on Friday, but keeping a player that doesn’t want to be here is likely to cause more harm than good imho |
Quite. It is pretty clear that for whatever reason Davis wants to spend the next season with us, rather than moving to a club in the lower half of the PL.
Hutchinson has a different opinion, and someone will bid enough for him that we have to let him move on. |  | | |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:51 - Aug 11 with 1550 views | _clive_baker_ |
Anyone at this level is going to miss a £40m player, but you're right in that Ogbene is far from a like-for-like replacement on the right, he's more Burns like, a powerful runner, direct, likes to go on the outside. We definitely miss that ability on the ball and quick feet that Omari brings, with his low centre of gravity and his ability to look after the ball, drag us up the pitch, draw a foul, retain possession. He's a massive outlet for us and a huge miss.
Philogene is probably the most similar to that, I wouldn't necessarily go as far as saying he's as good as Omari but he's a hell of a player at this level. He's a massive one for us, if we can get a tune out of him and keep him fit he could be a real differential. |  | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:52 - Aug 11 with 1535 views | Herbivore |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:41 - Aug 11 by TractorJack |
I'd happily see Chaplin in the 10, Sammie inside left and Clarke wide right until the squad is settled / back fit. |
Yes, I'd also be fine with that. Think the inside left role is a better fit for Sammie in our system than the central 10 role is. You can drift in and out of the game a bit more there and pop up with big moments, whereas our 10 really needs to be involved and pulling the strings, which I'm not sure is his game. | |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:52 - Aug 11 with 1533 views | bournemouthblue |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:42 - Aug 11 by DarkBrandon |
Quite. It is pretty clear that for whatever reason Davis wants to spend the next season with us, rather than moving to a club in the lower half of the PL.
Hutchinson has a different opinion, and someone will bid enough for him that we have to let him move on. |
We must be lining up alternatives too, particularly with the ability to go past players
Omari was essentially a trade up of Edwards, we'll be looking for similar, possibly with more physical attributes as well |  |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:54 - Aug 11 with 1480 views | textbackup |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:30 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
I think Chappers is a better fit for our more central 10 role than Szmodics for sure. Szmodics does bring qualities to the table but his use of the ball isn't all that great and I don't feel he links our attacking play together in the way Chaplin is able to. Great threat in behind but not sure that's what we need from our 10. Broadhead is more comfortable than Clarke at playing that inside forward role currently too. Clarke's instinct is to start a lot wider. I think Philogene, when fit again, will be more natural in that role than Clarke while also being an upgrade on Broadhead. |
Without Morsy, Burns, massimo, Burgess, Wolfie we NEED Chaplin in any starting 11 IMO. A consistent figure that knows what KM wants. |  |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 09:56 - Aug 11 with 1455 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:36 - Aug 11 by southnorfolkblue |
Don’t think the Hutch and Davis situations are comparable imho. Hutch clearly wants out, whereas there is nothing at the moment to suggest that Davis is pushed for a move.
Like you I want Hutch to stay and we missed him on Friday, but keeping a player that doesn’t want to be here is likely to cause more harm than good imho |
I think that is massively overblown to be honest. He's contracted here for 4 more years, has a great relationship with McKenna and his team mates and ultimately will knuckle down and be giving his best every time he's out on the pitch. The idea keeping him is going cause more harm to our chances of promotion than him going is just plain wrong. | | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:58 - Aug 11 with 1427 views | DarkBrandon |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:52 - Aug 11 by bournemouthblue |
We must be lining up alternatives too, particularly with the ability to go past players
Omari was essentially a trade up of Edwards, we'll be looking for similar, possibly with more physical attributes as well |
We must be ... but we won't get anyone as good.
When we were last in the Championship Omari was arguably the best player in his position by the last third of the season. He's at least as good now ... and probably better. Now I think it is unarguable.
I think it is most likely that we get a PL loanee in late in the window. Like we did with Omari. | | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:04 - Aug 11 with 1360 views | Wright1 |
We essentially had £60m worth of ball carrying attacking midfielders out on Friday - anyone would miss that.
I know this is not a popular opinion but I just don't see Szmodics working as our central 10 unless we make some changes to our system. He isn't a ball player and I don't believe he can link the attack well enough. He is much more suited to arriving on things from the left 10.
Just having Philogene back and Cajuste in the 11 will make a huge difference to this team though so i'm pretty confident. | | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:09 - Aug 11 with 1312 views | bournemouthblue |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:58 - Aug 11 by DarkBrandon |
We must be ... but we won't get anyone as good.
When we were last in the Championship Omari was arguably the best player in his position by the last third of the season. He's at least as good now ... and probably better. Now I think it is unarguable.
I think it is most likely that we get a PL loanee in late in the window. Like we did with Omari. |
someone like Iling-Junior seems likely, who can play left back or on the wing, probably not quite as quick as Hutch but 6 foot and tricky
It's going to be someone in that mould unless we find a random overseas signing that no one was expecting | |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 10:13 - Aug 11 with 1271 views | greyhound |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:58 - Aug 11 by DarkBrandon |
We must be ... but we won't get anyone as good.
When we were last in the Championship Omari was arguably the best player in his position by the last third of the season. He's at least as good now ... and probably better. Now I think it is unarguable.
I think it is most likely that we get a PL loanee in late in the window. Like we did with Omari. |
Got a couple of loan slots left, what's the rules regarding u21s and loans in this league. I see us needing to hoover a couple of young lads up to develop and bulk the squad in the hutch and delap mould | | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:17 - Aug 11 with 1203 views | JakeITFC |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:52 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
Yes, I'd also be fine with that. Think the inside left role is a better fit for Sammie in our system than the central 10 role is. You can drift in and out of the game a bit more there and pop up with big moments, whereas our 10 really needs to be involved and pulling the strings, which I'm not sure is his game. |
FWIW I think we played a slightly different system until Chaplin/Broadhead came on which was closer to 4-2-4 than our usual two 10 stuff, Szmodics very much a second striker.
I think we’ll see McKenna be keen to get the best out of Szomodics/Akpom for the goals they bring this year. |  | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:22 - Aug 11 with 1146 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Szmodics is essentially redundant in this system without Omari or a player like Omari on the right. Does not work at all. |  |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 10:26 - Aug 11 with 1126 views | bluesbrothers |
I think I've done OH a misjustice previously.
I sometimes watch him and don't think he's all that and not sure what they hype is. However, it's when you compare him to the alternatives that you fully appreciate his quality and worth - he's so far clear of the others across that front line. | | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:29 - Aug 11 with 1070 views | Smoresy |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:04 - Aug 11 by Wright1 |
We essentially had £60m worth of ball carrying attacking midfielders out on Friday - anyone would miss that.
I know this is not a popular opinion but I just don't see Szmodics working as our central 10 unless we make some changes to our system. He isn't a ball player and I don't believe he can link the attack well enough. He is much more suited to arriving on things from the left 10.
Just having Philogene back and Cajuste in the 11 will make a huge difference to this team though so i'm pretty confident. |
Akpom's 28 goals video has been likened more to a player "arriving on things", but the "world class forward" video focuses instead on his ball retention in tight spaces, strength and turning his man, running with the ball and general link-up play. These vids normally flatter to deceive but I'm optimistic he may fit the central 10 requirements. | | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:29 - Aug 11 with 1068 views | HighgateBlue |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:22 - Aug 11 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Szmodics is essentially redundant in this system without Omari or a player like Omari on the right. Does not work at all. |
Yes, I'm not sure that SS has really been the success that his numbers in his last Blackburn season might have led us to believe. is that because he had one stonking season, or is it because some players just don't work in our system?
Personally I have always liked Omari on the right much more than in the middle. However, I readily accept that (a) KM knows far more than I will ever know about these things, and (b) If Omari's off, it's kind of a moot point. |  | | |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:29 - Aug 11 with 1066 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I said to a mate that Chappers came on and looked like Chappers, if you know what I mean!
Broady, not so much, but that might just be rustiness. But yes, on Friday's evidence I'd be starting Chappers. |  |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 10:35 - Aug 11 with 1008 views | Herbivore |
| Might sound really obvious... on 10:29 - Aug 11 by HighgateBlue |
Yes, I'm not sure that SS has really been the success that his numbers in his last Blackburn season might have led us to believe. is that because he had one stonking season, or is it because some players just don't work in our system?
Personally I have always liked Omari on the right much more than in the middle. However, I readily accept that (a) KM knows far more than I will ever know about these things, and (b) If Omari's off, it's kind of a moot point. |
Blackburn played quite a unique system that season with Szmodics essentially playing as a false nine flanked by a couple of wide forwards, including Gallagher who is more of a physical type player. It really got the best out of Szmodics and his numbers that season were great. But is he good enough for us to justify changing our entire system to try and replicate what Blackburn did? Worth noting that the system got a lot out of Szmodics but not so much out of Blackburn, they finished not far off the relegation places despite his goalscoring. Last season without him, they were in the play off race for much of the season. I said when we signed him that I wasn't really sure where he fitted for us and I'm still not really sure a year on. | |
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| Might sound really obvious... on 10:44 - Aug 11 with 912 views | NthQldITFC |
| Might sound really obvious... on 09:51 - Aug 11 by _clive_baker_ |
Anyone at this level is going to miss a £40m player, but you're right in that Ogbene is far from a like-for-like replacement on the right, he's more Burns like, a powerful runner, direct, likes to go on the outside. We definitely miss that ability on the ball and quick feet that Omari brings, with his low centre of gravity and his ability to look after the ball, drag us up the pitch, draw a foul, retain possession. He's a massive outlet for us and a huge miss.
Philogene is probably the most similar to that, I wouldn't necessarily go as far as saying he's as good as Omari but he's a hell of a player at this level. He's a massive one for us, if we can get a tune out of him and keep him fit he could be a real differential. |
Philogene could be great this season, but one thing he could never do that Hutch does brilliantly is bounce out of challenges retaining control. Hutch's low centre of gravity and running style allow him to do that better than most other players (even at the level above, I would suggest). Philogene will have to skin players from half a yard further away in order to carry the ball through. |  |
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