| Morsy Speaks 12:32 - Aug 15 with 3429 views | le2blue |
A lot of sense here Skip...
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:52 - Aug 15 with 708 views | Zx1988 |
The mention of 'political reasons' feels particularly interesting.
I'm still not 100% convinced that the club was too disappointed to lose Morsy, given his outspoken views on Gaza and LGBTQ+ issues, and it may well have played a part in allowing him to move on for no fee.
The Kuwait FC approach essentially spared ITFC's blushes. |  |
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:53 - Aug 15 with 684 views | DarkBrandon |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:51 - Aug 15 by Damster |
Strange to talk about a situation entirely different and 100% opposite to the scenario being faced. Referencing the “ugly side” but no mention of the players contractual obligation.
Love Morsy but don’t get this at all?? |
It isn't that complicated.
If a club wants a player to leave they can basically force it
If a player wants to leave a club - and a fair offer comes in - the player also can basically force it |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:53 - Aug 15 with 685 views | bsw72 |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:50 - Aug 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh. I dont know why KM was so vocal about omari and not wanting to play.
Should have just said omari was Injured and then when move completed we'd all know it was bullux
No real need for KM to tell the world that he didn't want to play |
Was a no win situation, say nothing and KMs integrity gets called into question, say something about headspace and not wanting to play and KMs integrity gets called into question, say OH is injured and KMs integrity gets called into question. |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:55 - Aug 15 with 649 views | LankHenners |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:52 - Aug 15 by Zx1988 |
The mention of 'political reasons' feels particularly interesting.
I'm still not 100% convinced that the club was too disappointed to lose Morsy, given his outspoken views on Gaza and LGBTQ+ issues, and it may well have played a part in allowing him to move on for no fee.
The Kuwait FC approach essentially spared ITFC's blushes. |
He's just making a general point, probably had his mate Anwar El Ghazi in mind. |  |
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:57 - Aug 15 with 620 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:52 - Aug 15 by Zx1988 |
The mention of 'political reasons' feels particularly interesting.
I'm still not 100% convinced that the club was too disappointed to lose Morsy, given his outspoken views on Gaza and LGBTQ+ issues, and it may well have played a part in allowing him to move on for no fee.
The Kuwait FC approach essentially spared ITFC's blushes. |
Personally I think he should have kept his mouth shut.
Commentary like this from an ex player who let the club is not helpful, especially considering the things that were being reported leading up to Morsy moving on.
I don't see how him speaking helps the club. I doubt the club are impressed by him speaking up like this. He was the skipper and had a lot influence on the dressing room but now he has moved on. [Post edited 15 Aug 13:01]
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:58 - Aug 15 with 604 views | BarcaBlue |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:50 - Aug 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh. I dont know why KM was so vocal about omari and not wanting to play.
Should have just said omari was Injured and then when move completed we'd all know it was bullux
No real need for KM to tell the world that he didn't want to play |
Agreed, and it's led to all sorts of bollox and revisionism on here, and in social media too I imagine. We all knew he was off so just play the game and move on. |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:58 - Aug 15 with 607 views | SitfcB |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:52 - Aug 15 by Zx1988 |
The mention of 'political reasons' feels particularly interesting.
I'm still not 100% convinced that the club was too disappointed to lose Morsy, given his outspoken views on Gaza and LGBTQ+ issues, and it may well have played a part in allowing him to move on for no fee.
The Kuwait FC approach essentially spared ITFC's blushes. |
Nonsense. |  |
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:58 - Aug 15 with 602 views | bsw72 |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:45 - Aug 15 by ipswichtillidie |
He played and scored for them your correct. Many examples of pre Madonna’s and actual professional football players. Omari is just one example sadly. Can’t wish him well, will jeer him and I won’t be alone. |
Pre madonna? I guess that would be players from the Robson years as she released her debut Album in 1983. | | | |
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:59 - Aug 15 with 597 views | pointofblue |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:53 - Aug 15 by bsw72 |
Was a no win situation, say nothing and KMs integrity gets called into question, say something about headspace and not wanting to play and KMs integrity gets called into question, say OH is injured and KMs integrity gets called into question. |
If McKenna wanted to protect Hutchinson he wouldn't have presented it as his decision not to play. He would have said something like, "There's a lot going on at the moment and the first thing we need to do, as a club, is to protect the player - as a person more so than a footballer. We are supporting Omari through the uncertainty, and him taking a step back is one way of showing this support."
The outcome is the same but the onus is on McKenna/the club for not playing him rather than the player himself. | |
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:59 - Aug 15 with 588 views | SitfcB |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:57 - Aug 15 by DublinBlue84 |
Personally I think he should have kept his mouth shut.
Commentary like this from an ex player who let the club is not helpful, especially considering the things that were being reported leading up to Morsy moving on.
I don't see how him speaking helps the club. I doubt the club are impressed by him speaking up like this. He was the skipper and had a lot influence on the dressing room but now he has moved on. [Post edited 15 Aug 13:01]
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What’s he said that’s so bad? It’s good to get a different perspective and one from the other side at that!
Have you misinterpreted the first part? | |
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| Morsy Speaks on 12:59 - Aug 15 with 577 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:49 - Aug 15 by J2BLUE |
Football fans have double standards.
Omari is the devil but Al-Hamadi who is under contact and we've decided we don't want anymore 'needs to go'.
Most fans think nothing of 'upgrading' players (there are exceptions, Morsy Broadhead etc) but most of the time it's just progress. Yet when it's the other way around people lose their minds. |
I don't think that's the point. He could hand in a transfer request, that's his prerogative. Equally a club can accept an offer for a player, but the player doesn't have to move if they're under contract. AAH has absolutely no obligation to move if he doesn't want to, and the club still has a duty of care to him if he stays. Morsy's quite right, there's countless examples of clubs not treating players with courtesy or respect, but it doesn't justify similar when the roles are reversed, unless its specifically happened to that player in which case you might have more sympathy.
The way the legalities are structured is such that there's a contract in place and both parties have an obligation to stick to it. In refusing to play (which lets be honest is what looks to have happened) he's effectively breached that. There's definitely question marks over the morality and legality of the system and in time it wouldn't surprise me if that changes re. player contracts, but that's the state of play currently.
Not something I'll lose sleep over but Hutchinson hasn't come out of this smelling of roses IMO, no doubt he's following the advice of his agent who has dollar signs in his eyes. |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:00 - Aug 15 with 577 views | Basuco |
Not forgetting the small matter that when the fee is higher it can impact the wages to the player, so it is in the players best financial interest to try to keep the fee as low as possible. Also why they go on strike but do not put in a transfer request. |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:01 - Aug 15 with 559 views | pointofblue |
Also, two different scenarios. The club were desperate to get rid of Broadhead so he knew he didn't have to down tools to have it happen - just be patient whilst we got cover in (why we didn't do the same with Morsy is anyone's guess). | |
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| Morsy Speaks (n/t) on 13:03 - Aug 15 with 536 views | ReusersTown |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:38 - Aug 15 by The_Romford_Blue |
I like Morsy as much as the next Towen fan but I can’t help but think the first half of this is nonsense.
There’s absolutely no suggestion anywhere that Towen did any of those things so Omari had no right to affectively go on strike. All we wanted was for him to do the job he was paid to do. The people around Omari are the issue. |
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| Morsy Speaks on 13:10 - Aug 15 with 480 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:59 - Aug 15 by SitfcB |
What’s he said that’s so bad? It’s good to get a different perspective and one from the other side at that!
Have you misinterpreted the first part? |
I think he actually makes some good points and I agree with a lot of what he is saying and it he makes a lot of sense.
My issue is not about with what he is said, it's about the fact that I don't think it's appropriate for a former skipper to be airing those views publicly at this point.
If a senior colleague of mine left my employer and then same person started to offer commentary in public about what was going on in the company after they left just a few weeks later, there's no way that the company would be happy with that.
I just don't think it's helpful for the club right now, especially when we're in the process of embedding in a new skipper. We have enough to deal with right now, we don't need all the extra noise from a club harmony perspective. We need to shut the noise out and come together as this season is vital for us. [Post edited 15 Aug 13:16]
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| Morsy Speaks on 13:11 - Aug 15 with 472 views | mutters |
Just saw it and read through it. Some very good points and excellent that he has taken the time to not only say his thoughts but also to engage with the fans and their questions. |  |
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| Morsy Speaks on 13:12 - Aug 15 with 457 views | Illinoisblue |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:01 - Aug 15 by pointofblue |
Also, two different scenarios. The club were desperate to get rid of Broadhead so he knew he didn't have to down tools to have it happen - just be patient whilst we got cover in (why we didn't do the same with Morsy is anyone's guess). |
It’s been a strange summer. Hopefully we can get one or two more deals done before window shuts and then sit back and enjoy McKennaBall 2.0 |  |
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| Morsy Speaks on 13:13 - Aug 15 with 437 views | mutters |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:38 - Aug 15 by The_Romford_Blue |
I like Morsy as much as the next Towen fan but I can’t help but think the first half of this is nonsense.
There’s absolutely no suggestion anywhere that Towen did any of those things so Omari had no right to affectively go on strike. All we wanted was for him to do the job he was paid to do. The people around Omari are the issue. |
If you read further down, he is saying that ITFC doesn't behave in that manner and the KmK would not have it anyway as that's not the type of person that he is. | |
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| Morsy Speaks on 13:15 - Aug 15 with 408 views | yorkshireblue |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:47 - Aug 15 by darkhorse28 |
We haven’t held others to those standards though.
How can we allow our manager to spend an entire summer, speaking to whoever he wants, in the same league, and then fly the owners in from the US, r side his demands to stay are so big.
Then deny players the ability to do the same, in a league above, and for clubs in Europe.
It’s breathtaking hypocrisy.., and a 21 year old boy was crushed by a clubs media machine, including Phil on here.., just to deflect from a woeful window, where we have measurably been a long way from they narrative they all promoted through the summer.
This is progress. We don’t need to sell anybody.
Well we’ve sold 7 of our best players, and some of them have joined Swansea and Wrexham.
The way everyone has used a 21 year old to deflect from our issues off the pitch, is pathetic.
We need to be better at holding the club to some basic standards, or at least some consistency.
One one for one. Different rules for others, it kills team dynamics. Silently too.., we have t handled this well. |
Which player have we sold to Swansea? |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:24 - Aug 15 with 357 views | pointofblue |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:15 - Aug 15 by yorkshireblue |
Which player have we sold to Swansea? |
Burgess went there on a free. | |
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| Morsy Speaks on 13:28 - Aug 15 with 328 views | jasondozzell |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:10 - Aug 15 by DublinBlue84 |
I think he actually makes some good points and I agree with a lot of what he is saying and it he makes a lot of sense.
My issue is not about with what he is said, it's about the fact that I don't think it's appropriate for a former skipper to be airing those views publicly at this point.
If a senior colleague of mine left my employer and then same person started to offer commentary in public about what was going on in the company after they left just a few weeks later, there's no way that the company would be happy with that.
I just don't think it's helpful for the club right now, especially when we're in the process of embedding in a new skipper. We have enough to deal with right now, we don't need all the extra noise from a club harmony perspective. We need to shut the noise out and come together as this season is vital for us. [Post edited 15 Aug 13:16]
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I think it's clear that despite them having too much respect for each other to publicly fall out, there was something of the sort between Morsy and the club in the summer. It may well have been that he felt irked at not being offered the new contract as a gesture and / or the prospect of not being an automatic starter.
I think that's partly behind his commentary here. And he's right that it is an ugly business at times with both sides putting themselves first.
I think KM is right about building a new team. It was interesting that he alluded to that straight away at the end of last season. But it's not easy for the club or individuals involved.
I do think Sam and Broady are very hard to replace. |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:34 - Aug 15 with 285 views | Dennyx4 |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:50 - Aug 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh. I dont know why KM was so vocal about omari and not wanting to play.
Should have just said omari was Injured and then when move completed we'd all know it was bullux
No real need for KM to tell the world that he didn't want to play |
Omari trained on Monday as part of the starting eleven for Tuesdays game. He cried off after the sessions were run, which disrupted KM’s approach and the teams set up for the game.
Think it is fairly obvious why he would be vocal, he was let down. |  | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:35 - Aug 15 with 269 views | yorkshireblue |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:24 - Aug 15 by pointofblue |
Burgess went there on a free. |
So not sold then? | | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:40 - Aug 15 with 221 views | AVJones |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:28 - Aug 15 by jasondozzell |
I think it's clear that despite them having too much respect for each other to publicly fall out, there was something of the sort between Morsy and the club in the summer. It may well have been that he felt irked at not being offered the new contract as a gesture and / or the prospect of not being an automatic starter.
I think that's partly behind his commentary here. And he's right that it is an ugly business at times with both sides putting themselves first.
I think KM is right about building a new team. It was interesting that he alluded to that straight away at the end of last season. But it's not easy for the club or individuals involved.
I do think Sam and Broady are very hard to replace. |
Morsy, somehow, manufactured a free transfer for himself, despite being under contract.
Now we’ll never know the detail in his contract - or any contract - but he clearly did very well for himself this summer.
“Respect for each other” - or just better PR? | | | |
| Morsy Speaks on 13:42 - Aug 15 with 199 views | itfcjoe |
| Morsy Speaks on 12:52 - Aug 15 by Zx1988 |
The mention of 'political reasons' feels particularly interesting.
I'm still not 100% convinced that the club was too disappointed to lose Morsy, given his outspoken views on Gaza and LGBTQ+ issues, and it may well have played a part in allowing him to move on for no fee.
The Kuwait FC approach essentially spared ITFC's blushes. |
I don't think you'd be far wrong on that |  |
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