| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... 20:33 - Aug 31 with 10200 views | Zx1988 |
If it was truly about nothing other than national pride, surely those behind it (Führage, Tommy Ten Names et al.) would be speaking out against incidents like these:
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:43 - Sep 2 with 828 views | J2BLUE |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 13:56 - Sep 2 by Swansea_Blue |
What’s going on is starting to seem very sinister. And also gathering unstoppable momentum, but I hope I’m wrong about that.
There’s an increase in the used of extreme language and extreme ideology that’s being normalised by some politicians, a big chunk of the media and of course online. You’ve got very powerful people like Musk openly calling for mass deportation of British nationals if they are brown and endorsing the racist Great Replacement theory. We’ve got politicians like that rancid Gt Yarmouth MP Lowe, who’s also calling for mass deportations of immigrants (even if nationalised). Prior to this we had idiots like Braverman debasing herself by saying she, and people like her, shouldn’t see themselves as English despite being born here. Before that we had Tory ministers dehumanising refugees by calling them an invasion and like rats.
The rhetoric has been getting more and more extreme, from the dehumanisation then through to the calls for mass deportations of brown British people now (it’s always on ethnicity grounds; skin colour matters still but white immigrants suffer too).
There’s always been racism, from people throwing bananas onto football pitches in the 70s/80s, common usage of racial slurs related to the Pakistani communities in 80s, Islamophobia exacerbated by 9/11 and jihadi terrorist attacks here and around the world, antisemitism including the recent rise post Oct 7th attacks and Israeli response, etc. But this phase of concentrated and wide-spread events seems something new. Not least because there hasn’t been a robust condemnation from the powers who be (except in rare instances where prosecutions have been brought).
There’s a duty on everyone to call out and stand up to racism. Most people probably aren’t racist when it comes to someone they know, but a significant number are letting themselves be whipped up into a state by bad faith actors. The semi-organised far right groups are having a field day. It’s up to everyone to be more discerning about who they listen to and where they get their information from. To challenge conspiracies and not follow them. As DJR has highlighted, the majority of people think illegal immigrants make up the majority of migrants. That’s crazy and provably wrong, but shows how susceptible people are to disinformation.
TLDR: be nice to people. Treat people how you like to be treated yourself. To borrow a phrase, love thy neighbour, not attack them because of the colour of their skin or where they or their parents or even grandparents were born. Don’t believe hateful fascists or let them turn you into one. [Post edited 2 Sep 14:00]
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This is definitely growing beyond the usual fringes of society.
The next election is gearing up to be Jenrick vs Farage.
Labour have no idea. I voted for them. I want them to succeed. I've given up hope now that they are the answer. They are clueless. |  |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:48 - Sep 2 with 808 views | Blueschev |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:43 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
This is definitely growing beyond the usual fringes of society.
The next election is gearing up to be Jenrick vs Farage.
Labour have no idea. I voted for them. I want them to succeed. I've given up hope now that they are the answer. They are clueless. |
It won't be. It will be Labour VS Farage's Conservative Party, and the latter will win.
Farage will hijack the Tories in the same way that Trump hijacked the GOP. |  | | |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:51 - Sep 2 with 800 views | Blueschev |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:36 - Sep 2 by DJR |
Interesting extract from Politics Live in today's Guardian which seems to me to amount to a complete abdication of responsibility on the part of the government.
"If any Labour ministers are inclined to agree with John Crace’s column (headlined “Flags as symbols of prejudice, not pride – and a distinct air of menace. Welcome to England 2025”), they are not saying so in public. Yesterday, Keir Starmer strongly endorsed flying the flag. And, in an interview this morning, Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, went further. She told Times Radio:
"I’m going to confess I have not just the St George’s flag, I have St George’s bunting. I have also union jack bunting which is currently still hanging up in my garden shed. I have union jack flags. We have Yorkshire rose flags and bunting as well. I actually even have some Yorkshire Tea bunting but that’s probably going a bit far for your question as well.
So I do I think flags are really important. It’s what brings us together. I do think that people should be coming together around our flags and using the flags to come together and not being used for division."
Asked if people should be putting up flags on motorway gantries, Cooper replied:
"Oh, put them up anywhere. I would put them up anywhere."
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Do the likes of Starmer or Cooper think people actually believe any of this crap? They're educated people FFS, how are they so completely clueless as to how they come across? | | | |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 16:03 - Sep 2 with 763 views | bluester |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:36 - Sep 2 by DJR |
Interesting extract from Politics Live in today's Guardian which seems to me to amount to a complete abdication of responsibility on the part of the government.
"If any Labour ministers are inclined to agree with John Crace’s column (headlined “Flags as symbols of prejudice, not pride – and a distinct air of menace. Welcome to England 2025”), they are not saying so in public. Yesterday, Keir Starmer strongly endorsed flying the flag. And, in an interview this morning, Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, went further. She told Times Radio:
"I’m going to confess I have not just the St George’s flag, I have St George’s bunting. I have also union jack bunting which is currently still hanging up in my garden shed. I have union jack flags. We have Yorkshire rose flags and bunting as well. I actually even have some Yorkshire Tea bunting but that’s probably going a bit far for your question as well.
So I do I think flags are really important. It’s what brings us together. I do think that people should be coming together around our flags and using the flags to come together and not being used for division."
Asked if people should be putting up flags on motorway gantries, Cooper replied:
"Oh, put them up anywhere. I would put them up anywhere."
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Edit: I'm meeting my MP to discuss this subject. I've never felt compelled to even write to my local MP but I'm seriously worried about Labour's stance on this subject. This demonstrates it perfectly. [Post edited 2 Sep 16:06]
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 17:25 - Sep 2 with 592 views | reusersfreekicks |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:36 - Sep 2 by DJR |
Interesting extract from Politics Live in today's Guardian which seems to me to amount to a complete abdication of responsibility on the part of the government.
"If any Labour ministers are inclined to agree with John Crace’s column (headlined “Flags as symbols of prejudice, not pride – and a distinct air of menace. Welcome to England 2025”), they are not saying so in public. Yesterday, Keir Starmer strongly endorsed flying the flag. And, in an interview this morning, Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, went further. She told Times Radio:
"I’m going to confess I have not just the St George’s flag, I have St George’s bunting. I have also union jack bunting which is currently still hanging up in my garden shed. I have union jack flags. We have Yorkshire rose flags and bunting as well. I actually even have some Yorkshire Tea bunting but that’s probably going a bit far for your question as well.
So I do I think flags are really important. It’s what brings us together. I do think that people should be coming together around our flags and using the flags to come together and not being used for division."
Asked if people should be putting up flags on motorway gantries, Cooper replied:
"Oh, put them up anywhere. I would put them up anywhere."
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Appalling grovel for far right votes |  | | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 18:20 - Sep 2 with 447 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 12:05 - Sep 2 by Zx1988 |
I thought similar.
A counter-movement along the lines of 'Raise ALL The Colours' would be great, with the current flags being replaced by ones which represent the multi-cultural makeup of Great Britain.
Sadly it would probably only result in 'Protect The Colours' and well-meaning people being beaten up by cretins. |
Surely in a multicultural society we value people of all ethnicities as equal British subjects? Therefore the Union flag is a unifying flag.
Why separate people amd treat them as anything other than British. Surely that is sowing division? |  |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 18:29 - Sep 2 with 416 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 15:48 - Sep 2 by Blueschev |
It won't be. It will be Labour VS Farage's Conservative Party, and the latter will win.
Farage will hijack the Tories in the same way that Trump hijacked the GOP. |
I tore up my Conservative membership card in 2017. If Farage ever got near to being admited to the Tory party then I would rejoin in order to vote against him in any leadership election and I would urge any other One Nation Tories and centrists to do the same. | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 19:19 - Sep 2 with 340 views | Swansea_Blue |
That’s fundamentally our whole approach to immigrants and always has been. They’re useful/welcome when they benefit someone, be it governments trying to staff public services or far right racists looking to line their own pockets. Now it seems there’s more value (route to power + distraction from poor governance) in demonising them. That’s despite many studies showing they often add more economic value than native Brits. They’re often more entrepreneurial too and rely less on handouts. But we want Farage in power (for some inexplicable reason), do they have to be the bad guys.
Depressing stuff. |  |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 19:21 - Sep 2 with 329 views | J2BLUE |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 18:29 - Sep 2 by GlasgowBlue |
I tore up my Conservative membership card in 2017. If Farage ever got near to being admited to the Tory party then I would rejoin in order to vote against him in any leadership election and I would urge any other One Nation Tories and centrists to do the same. |
Farage feels inevitable at this point. The media coverage is almost pushing for it.
This will be controversial and I will be told it's wrong as we stumble ever further to a Farage led government but some loud voices on the left damaging their own cause with some of the stuff they are saying. | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:04 - Sep 2 with 277 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 11:12 - Sep 2 by blueasfook |
According to a yougov poll I looked at - failing to get a grip on immigration was the second biggest reason people gave for not voting Tory at the last election (after internal division and infighting at number 1). I think those with more extreme views defected to Reform and those with lesser extreme views but still wanting better control over immigration defected to Labour (based on Keir Starmer's promise to Smash The Gangs). I fell into the latter category - had enough of Tories but didnt want to see Farage as PM either and willing to see if Labour could do a better job,. |
As a matter of interest, what does "a better job" actually look like?
And how confident are you that any government could do that? |  |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:05 - Sep 2 with 271 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 11:46 - Sep 2 by reusersfreekicks |
People have forgotten or do not know what happened pre world war 2. |
Or don't care which is even worse! | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:07 - Sep 2 with 267 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 13:07 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
The club have no need to get involved. If flags are put up on public property I assume you have just as much right to remove them? |
I wondered about this. Presumably there is an easy business opportunity in removing them, selling them to those putting them up and repeat.
EDIT: The only issue I foresee with this is that those with the agenda will complain about how the removal of them represents unpatriotic censorship. [Post edited 2 Sep 20:08]
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:17 - Sep 2 with 232 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 13:56 - Sep 2 by Swansea_Blue |
What’s going on is starting to seem very sinister. And also gathering unstoppable momentum, but I hope I’m wrong about that.
There’s an increase in the used of extreme language and extreme ideology that’s being normalised by some politicians, a big chunk of the media and of course online. You’ve got very powerful people like Musk openly calling for mass deportation of British nationals if they are brown and endorsing the racist Great Replacement theory. We’ve got politicians like that rancid Gt Yarmouth MP Lowe, who’s also calling for mass deportations of immigrants (even if nationalised). Prior to this we had idiots like Braverman debasing herself by saying she, and people like her, shouldn’t see themselves as English despite being born here. Before that we had Tory ministers dehumanising refugees by calling them an invasion and like rats.
The rhetoric has been getting more and more extreme, from the dehumanisation then through to the calls for mass deportations of brown British people now (it’s always on ethnicity grounds; skin colour matters still but white immigrants suffer too).
There’s always been racism, from people throwing bananas onto football pitches in the 70s/80s, common usage of racial slurs related to the Pakistani communities in 80s, Islamophobia exacerbated by 9/11 and jihadi terrorist attacks here and around the world, antisemitism including the recent rise post Oct 7th attacks and Israeli response, etc. But this phase of concentrated and wide-spread events seems something new. Not least because there hasn’t been a robust condemnation from the powers who be (except in rare instances where prosecutions have been brought).
There’s a duty on everyone to call out and stand up to racism. Most people probably aren’t racist when it comes to someone they know, but a significant number are letting themselves be whipped up into a state by bad faith actors. The semi-organised far right groups are having a field day. It’s up to everyone to be more discerning about who they listen to and where they get their information from. To challenge conspiracies and not follow them. As DJR has highlighted, the majority of people think illegal immigrants make up the majority of migrants. That’s crazy and provably wrong, but shows how susceptible people are to disinformation.
TLDR: be nice to people. Treat people how you like to be treated yourself. To borrow a phrase, love thy neighbour, not attack them because of the colour of their skin or where they or their parents or even grandparents were born. Don’t believe hateful fascists or let them turn you into one. [Post edited 2 Sep 14:00]
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It is the normalisation and popularisation of it that is most disturbing.
To target a whole group based on the behaviour of a few individuals is concerning too. I don't recall the same reaction to Roman Catholic churches, Conservative MPs, the BBC, pop musicians, or other groups that could be thrown together on the basis of the very unsavoury alleged behaviour of a few individuals that belong to those groups. | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:38 - Sep 2 with 190 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:17 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is the normalisation and popularisation of it that is most disturbing.
To target a whole group based on the behaviour of a few individuals is concerning too. I don't recall the same reaction to Roman Catholic churches, Conservative MPs, the BBC, pop musicians, or other groups that could be thrown together on the basis of the very unsavoury alleged behaviour of a few individuals that belong to those groups. |
Or husbands/men in general....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-pledges-to-protect-more-women-from
'This comes as the data shows that 1 in 5 homicides are domestic homicides and that over the last decade there were:
898 female victims of domestic homicidesof these, 698 victims (78%) were killed by a partner or ex-partnerand over 9 in 10 female homicide victims were killed by a man (92%)' |  |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:40 - Sep 2 with 179 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
...oh not forgetting sons of course...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxw1yrlx5go
'More women were killed by their son than by a stranger, according to new figures from a campaign group looking at violence against women.
The latest report by Femicide Census, external says, of 121 women killed by men in 2022, 12 were killed by their sons and 11 were killed by someone they did not know.' | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:53 - Sep 2 with 128 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:17 - Sep 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is the normalisation and popularisation of it that is most disturbing.
To target a whole group based on the behaviour of a few individuals is concerning too. I don't recall the same reaction to Roman Catholic churches, Conservative MPs, the BBC, pop musicians, or other groups that could be thrown together on the basis of the very unsavoury alleged behaviour of a few individuals that belong to those groups. |
Agreed. We’ve been slowly creeping this way for a while. Remember the sleepwalking into fascism thread on here? That must have been 6!or 7 years ago. That was largely in response to Tory ministers and MPs, plus their supportive press, normalising the dehumanisation of immigrants. It certainly gone up a notch lately. Calling for the mass deportation of immigrants or people of immigrant ancestry is extremely worrying. If you can’t get rid of them that way, it’s not a massive leap to find another way to ‘dispose’ of them.
That sounds ridiculous but then I didn’t expect us to go as far as we have already. | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 21:16 - Sep 2 with 62 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 20:53 - Sep 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Agreed. We’ve been slowly creeping this way for a while. Remember the sleepwalking into fascism thread on here? That must have been 6!or 7 years ago. That was largely in response to Tory ministers and MPs, plus their supportive press, normalising the dehumanisation of immigrants. It certainly gone up a notch lately. Calling for the mass deportation of immigrants or people of immigrant ancestry is extremely worrying. If you can’t get rid of them that way, it’s not a massive leap to find another way to ‘dispose’ of them.
That sounds ridiculous but then I didn’t expect us to go as far as we have already. |
I don't think it sounded that ridiculous then and it certainly isn't a leap at all from where we are now.
The one lesson of history is that people never learn the lessons of history. | |
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| This 'Raise the Colours' movement... on 21:27 - Sep 2 with 22 views | Swansea_Blue |
You can prove anything with facts buh | |
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