| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 15806 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:34 - Sep 11 with 1191 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Libero |
Charlie Kirk was a quasi-fascist who died doing what he loved, being insufferable and patronising to college kids.
What a fascinating array of responses in this thread.
I can only assume many of you have no idea who this man is, what he stands for, what his beliefs are? Because there’s some incredible paradox of tolerance stuff within this thread.
I find the framing of his death being about freedom of speech nauseating.
He was a prominent and influential voice for a quasi fascist regime, this isn’t people just disagreeing ideologically, he actively used his influence to support a quasi-fascist regime and actively showed himself to be repugnant and dangerous individual, with zero shame.
Someone in this thread tried to claim he wasn’t far right?! It’s absolutely absurd.
What has happened to him is a result of the rhetoric he stokes.
In a powerful hit of irony, his last words were about gun violence, where he tried to minimise and write off as ‘gang violence’ which anyone with a brain knows what he is dog whistling there.
I feel no sorrow for the world losing a fascist and I remind everyone that no fascist power has ever been overthrown without violence.
If you’re showing empathy for Kirk, don’t- he’s on record as saying empathy doesn’t exist and that it’s a modern phenomenon that is ‘dangerous’ lol [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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I largely agree with you and disagreed with his hateful views... but that doesn't excuse shooting him. Violence is not the answer IMO - and actually probably makes things worse. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:35 - Sep 11 with 1182 views | J2BLUE |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Libero |
Charlie Kirk was a quasi-fascist who died doing what he loved, being insufferable and patronising to college kids.
What a fascinating array of responses in this thread.
I can only assume many of you have no idea who this man is, what he stands for, what his beliefs are? Because there’s some incredible paradox of tolerance stuff within this thread.
I find the framing of his death being about freedom of speech nauseating.
He was a prominent and influential voice for a quasi fascist regime, this isn’t people just disagreeing ideologically, he actively used his influence to support a quasi-fascist regime and actively showed himself to be repugnant and dangerous individual, with zero shame.
Someone in this thread tried to claim he wasn’t far right?! It’s absolutely absurd.
What has happened to him is a result of the rhetoric he stokes.
In a powerful hit of irony, his last words were about gun violence, where he tried to minimise and write off as ‘gang violence’ which anyone with a brain knows what he is dog whistling there.
I feel no sorrow for the world losing a fascist and I remind everyone that no fascist power has ever been overthrown without violence.
If you’re showing empathy for Kirk, don’t- he’s on record as saying empathy doesn’t exist and that it’s a modern phenomenon that is ‘dangerous’ lol [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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Showing empathy for his family including two young kids who now don't have a dad. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:50 - Sep 11 with 1065 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:36 - Sep 11 by SWLondonBlue93 |
Maybe I'm overreacting and someone with more knowledge of the situation can correct me, but it really feels like there's no path back to what you would think of as a "normal", well-functioning democracy for the US. The government spews hateful rhetoric daily, political violence is surging, and I don't believe for a minute that they would accept the result of an election that voted them out. |
Chaos and division is needed for Trump to achieve his aims.
He has nothing to gain from calming it down. The fact it happened in a Republican state is the only thing stopping Trump going into other cities over this. If this happened in Chicago or New York, the national guard would already be on the streets | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:50 - Sep 11 with 1061 views | baxterbasics |
To those feeling like we are in some new and more dangerous era or that the world is falling apart - suggest reading up on some history for reassurance. This is not unusual or new. If anything modern history is unique in how most of the world has largely managed to move away from this kind of violence as part of political discourse. What is new is we live in a time of rolling news and streaming live video and real time commentary online between people who might otherwise have thought a little harder about what they are saying.
As for Trumps response and similar prominent commentators - disappointing but not surprising. Would be better to hear him say something like "We all need to be more careful in how we debate and the tone of our language, myself included. Let's stop seeing each other as the enemy, rather as friends and fellow citizens who happen to disagree" but of course this is asking too much. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:56 - Sep 11 with 1008 views | Luk38644 |
Some of the replies on this thread are the reason I rarely use TWTD anymore - a father & husband has been assassinated for his political beliefs, yet some posters can't show sympathy or disgust because they disagree with his viewpoints and are posting a whole load of whataboutery.
He was the same age as me, a father & husband like me, and I consider myself to be on the right of the political spectrum like he was - do people like me also deserve no sympathy if I was murdered for my political viewpoints? [Post edited 11 Sep 9:58]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:05 - Sep 11 with 919 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:34 - Sep 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I largely agree with you and disagreed with his hateful views... but that doesn't excuse shooting him. Violence is not the answer IMO - and actually probably makes things worse. |
Read some history, this is par for the course, sadly.
I always find the ‘violence isn’t the answer’ thing interesting, especially when the record shows that violence is essential in removing any kind of fascist organisation from positions of power.
Things will get worse before they get better, for sure. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:09 - Sep 11 with 870 views | NthQldITFC |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:50 - Sep 11 by ElderGrizzly |
Chaos and division is needed for Trump to achieve his aims.
He has nothing to gain from calming it down. The fact it happened in a Republican state is the only thing stopping Trump going into other cities over this. If this happened in Chicago or New York, the national guard would already be on the streets |
That's very much the focus of the dread I feel over this event, and the seemingly inevitable ramping up of the fascist agenda which this awful assassination presages.
The people in power have no idea how to act like decent, responsible, humane, American leaders to calm the situation down and do the right thing for that once great country. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:09 - Sep 11 with 864 views | chantryblueboy |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:05 - Sep 11 by Libero |
Read some history, this is par for the course, sadly.
I always find the ‘violence isn’t the answer’ thing interesting, especially when the record shows that violence is essential in removing any kind of fascist organisation from positions of power.
Things will get worse before they get better, for sure. |
Don’t really understand how you expect shooting an influencer to topple Trump’s regime |  | | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:09 - Sep 11 with 851 views | witchdoctor |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:56 - Sep 11 by Luk38644 |
Some of the replies on this thread are the reason I rarely use TWTD anymore - a father & husband has been assassinated for his political beliefs, yet some posters can't show sympathy or disgust because they disagree with his viewpoints and are posting a whole load of whataboutery.
He was the same age as me, a father & husband like me, and I consider myself to be on the right of the political spectrum like he was - do people like me also deserve no sympathy if I was murdered for my political viewpoints? [Post edited 11 Sep 9:58]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:15 - Sep 11 with 789 views | DanTheMan |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Libero |
Charlie Kirk was a quasi-fascist who died doing what he loved, being insufferable and patronising to college kids.
What a fascinating array of responses in this thread.
I can only assume many of you have no idea who this man is, what he stands for, what his beliefs are? Because there’s some incredible paradox of tolerance stuff within this thread.
I find the framing of his death being about freedom of speech nauseating.
He was a prominent and influential voice for a quasi fascist regime, this isn’t people just disagreeing ideologically, he actively used his influence to support a quasi-fascist regime and actively showed himself to be repugnant and dangerous individual, with zero shame.
Someone in this thread tried to claim he wasn’t far right?! It’s absolutely absurd.
What has happened to him is a result of the rhetoric he stokes.
In a powerful hit of irony, his last words were about gun violence, where he tried to minimise and write off as ‘gang violence’ which anyone with a brain knows what he is dog whistling there.
I feel no sorrow for the world losing a fascist and I remind everyone that no fascist power has ever been overthrown without violence.
If you’re showing empathy for Kirk, don’t- he’s on record as saying empathy doesn’t exist and that it’s a modern phenomenon that is ‘dangerous’ lol [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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Whilst I understand what you're saying, I think my thoughts on this are best summed up by Dean Withers.
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:18 - Sep 11 with 746 views | positivity |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:15 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
Whilst I understand what you're saying, I think my thoughts on this are best summed up by Dean Withers.
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:20 - Sep 11 with 710 views | TownieRob |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Libero |
Charlie Kirk was a quasi-fascist who died doing what he loved, being insufferable and patronising to college kids.
What a fascinating array of responses in this thread.
I can only assume many of you have no idea who this man is, what he stands for, what his beliefs are? Because there’s some incredible paradox of tolerance stuff within this thread.
I find the framing of his death being about freedom of speech nauseating.
He was a prominent and influential voice for a quasi fascist regime, this isn’t people just disagreeing ideologically, he actively used his influence to support a quasi-fascist regime and actively showed himself to be repugnant and dangerous individual, with zero shame.
Someone in this thread tried to claim he wasn’t far right?! It’s absolutely absurd.
What has happened to him is a result of the rhetoric he stokes.
In a powerful hit of irony, his last words were about gun violence, where he tried to minimise and write off as ‘gang violence’ which anyone with a brain knows what he is dog whistling there.
I feel no sorrow for the world losing a fascist and I remind everyone that no fascist power has ever been overthrown without violence.
If you’re showing empathy for Kirk, don’t- he’s on record as saying empathy doesn’t exist and that it’s a modern phenomenon that is ‘dangerous’ lol [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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Calling Charlie Kirk a quasi-fascist just because you disagreed with him isn’t an argument, it’s a lazy argument. He was passionate, articulate, and willing to debate those who opposed him. That’s the very opposite of fascism.
To say his murder as anything other than an attack on free speech and democracy is dsingenuous. A husband and father was gunned down for his opinions. That should horrify everyone, yet I’ve seen people celebrating it. Tweets, videos, TikToks open gloating. The the hypocrisy runs even deeper. I keep hearing (even on here) how Twitter/X is full of hate and how platforms like Bluesky are supposed to be “safe spaces" - I’ve seen plenty on Bluesky celebrating his death too. Turns out hate isn’t a platform problem, it’s a people problem.
He wasn’t a dictator, he was a commentator. A voice. If you think that makes him a fascist deserving of death, then you’ve abandoned democracy entirely. Free speech means tolerating views you don’t like, not silencing them with murder.
He always said: when people stop talking about problems, bad things happen. That’s where we are now with division, silence, and the celebration of violence. And if you can’t see how dangerous that is, you’re a huge part of the problem.
Democracy has suffered but more importantly, a family has suffered. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:20 - Sep 11 with 708 views | TIB |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:09 - Sep 11 by chantryblueboy |
Don’t really understand how you expect shooting an influencer to topple Trump’s regime |
Strengthens the regime if anything in my view. Will drive more divide and more reliance on government bringing order.
Interestingly, he was shot at a time when his views seemed to be publicly changing regarding the Epstein files not being released and Israel’s actions across Middle East. [Post edited 11 Sep 10:21]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:22 - Sep 11 with 684 views | positivity |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:18 - Sep 11 by positivity |
spot on, every word |
showing empathy towards another human (even someone who wouldn't show empathy towards you) is vital; it's a difference which we mustn't lose | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:27 - Sep 11 with 617 views | Trequartista |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Libero |
Charlie Kirk was a quasi-fascist who died doing what he loved, being insufferable and patronising to college kids.
What a fascinating array of responses in this thread.
I can only assume many of you have no idea who this man is, what he stands for, what his beliefs are? Because there’s some incredible paradox of tolerance stuff within this thread.
I find the framing of his death being about freedom of speech nauseating.
He was a prominent and influential voice for a quasi fascist regime, this isn’t people just disagreeing ideologically, he actively used his influence to support a quasi-fascist regime and actively showed himself to be repugnant and dangerous individual, with zero shame.
Someone in this thread tried to claim he wasn’t far right?! It’s absolutely absurd.
What has happened to him is a result of the rhetoric he stokes.
In a powerful hit of irony, his last words were about gun violence, where he tried to minimise and write off as ‘gang violence’ which anyone with a brain knows what he is dog whistling there.
I feel no sorrow for the world losing a fascist and I remind everyone that no fascist power has ever been overthrown without violence.
If you’re showing empathy for Kirk, don’t- he’s on record as saying empathy doesn’t exist and that it’s a modern phenomenon that is ‘dangerous’ lol [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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Wow incredible post. Calling people you disagree with nazis and fascists when clearly they aren’t is a clever way to then justify violence against them. It’s basically the first stage of the same ideology as Stalin. He thought he was a good person. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:28 - Sep 11 with 610 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:56 - Sep 11 by Luk38644 |
Some of the replies on this thread are the reason I rarely use TWTD anymore - a father & husband has been assassinated for his political beliefs, yet some posters can't show sympathy or disgust because they disagree with his viewpoints and are posting a whole load of whataboutery.
He was the same age as me, a father & husband like me, and I consider myself to be on the right of the political spectrum like he was - do people like me also deserve no sympathy if I was murdered for my political viewpoints? [Post edited 11 Sep 9:58]
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I stayed off this thread until I saw your post. Most of the posts from what I would call 'left leaning posters' have been reasonably measured and thoughtful. Opposing Charlie Kirk's politics whilst at the same time showing sympathy for his young family and saying that violence is not the answer. Sadly one or two are justifying his murder which is absolutely disgusting and a couple of others staring into conspiracy theory crankery.
I also think there is a massive overreaction that this could lead to civil war. America has been through much darker times in recent history. McCarthy hearings of the 1950's,the assassinations of Jack and Bobby Kenedy and Martin Luther King in the 1960's, followed by the Killing of unarmed students in Ohio in the ealy 1970's.
America got through these dark times because they are, in the majority, decent human beings.
I posted a few weeks ago how I had spent the best part of a month driving over 4,000 miles through 20 States.I'll post it again because I simply don't recognise the American people being portrayed online.
Clapping Putin as he arrives in Alaska by GlasgowBlue 16 Aug 7:53Ok, I’m going to add the usual disclaimer that I believe Trump is an appalling human being.
But having spent the best part of a month travelling across over 4500 miles and 20 States in the USA last month, I think the reality is different to the perception of a large majority of Republican voters.
My Mrs is doing a Politics degree as a mature student at Uni, and I’ve always had a healthy interest in politics so wherever we went we were keen to gage the options from the locals of Trump. What we came away with was that the majority of Republican voters fore not brainwashed nasty racists. They were mostly people who didn’t particularly like Trump as a person but felt a renewed sense of national pride in their country. People who were very comfortable in their own skins as Americans in a way that we aren’t as Brits. How we are slightly embarrassed or apologetic about expressing patriotism.
One guy who couldn’t bring himself to vote for either Trump or a Hillary in 2016 went with Trump this time because he felt very let down by the Democrats, that Biden appeared very weak both nationally and on the world stage and that he was angry how Biden’s mental decline had been covered up by the party establishment.
My eldest son lives in St Augustine, Florida and We got an invite to a block party on 4th July. The host was a Hispanic former Marine and undercover cop who had travelled the world so wasn’t somebody with very insular views but his sense of the USA was that its is a country that really doesn’t need anyone else. that they can pretty much make or grow anything they need themselves. There was logic to his argument but no undercurrent of xenophobia or nastiness.
One person at the block party had a MAGA cap, another person was wearing a T Shirt which said “elect a clown expect a circus” with a picture of Trump done up in clown make up. From what we read in the media and social media I might have expected that the MAGA group to take her around the back of the garage and kick the sh1t out if her. The reality couldn’t have been further than the truth. They all enjoyed friendly banter.
And that was pretty much the mood throughout our entire journey. The people were great and I’ve never experienced so much respect and manners from young people.
I’d not been to the States for twenty years so I really wasn’t sure what to expect, we both said after Trump humiliated Zelenskyy in the White House that had we not booked the flights and had family we wanted to visit that we were reluctant to put a penny in the US economy. But I’m glad we did because it gave us a different perspective of the people out there.
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:35 - Sep 11 with 519 views | Blueschev |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:20 - Sep 11 by TownieRob |
Calling Charlie Kirk a quasi-fascist just because you disagreed with him isn’t an argument, it’s a lazy argument. He was passionate, articulate, and willing to debate those who opposed him. That’s the very opposite of fascism.
To say his murder as anything other than an attack on free speech and democracy is dsingenuous. A husband and father was gunned down for his opinions. That should horrify everyone, yet I’ve seen people celebrating it. Tweets, videos, TikToks open gloating. The the hypocrisy runs even deeper. I keep hearing (even on here) how Twitter/X is full of hate and how platforms like Bluesky are supposed to be “safe spaces" - I’ve seen plenty on Bluesky celebrating his death too. Turns out hate isn’t a platform problem, it’s a people problem.
He wasn’t a dictator, he was a commentator. A voice. If you think that makes him a fascist deserving of death, then you’ve abandoned democracy entirely. Free speech means tolerating views you don’t like, not silencing them with murder.
He always said: when people stop talking about problems, bad things happen. That’s where we are now with division, silence, and the celebration of violence. And if you can’t see how dangerous that is, you’re a huge part of the problem.
Democracy has suffered but more importantly, a family has suffered. |
I'm sorry but so much of what you have written simply isn't true. He wasn't a free speech advocate, he was a propogandist. His content was carefully edited to make him always look right and his opponents stupid. It was the opposite of free speech, it stripped debate of any context or nuance, dumbed it down, and caused further division.
I wouldn't call him a fascist, but I would say that his brand of "journalism" was extremely dangerous. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:38 - Sep 11 with 487 views | DanTheMan |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:20 - Sep 11 by TownieRob |
Calling Charlie Kirk a quasi-fascist just because you disagreed with him isn’t an argument, it’s a lazy argument. He was passionate, articulate, and willing to debate those who opposed him. That’s the very opposite of fascism.
To say his murder as anything other than an attack on free speech and democracy is dsingenuous. A husband and father was gunned down for his opinions. That should horrify everyone, yet I’ve seen people celebrating it. Tweets, videos, TikToks open gloating. The the hypocrisy runs even deeper. I keep hearing (even on here) how Twitter/X is full of hate and how platforms like Bluesky are supposed to be “safe spaces" - I’ve seen plenty on Bluesky celebrating his death too. Turns out hate isn’t a platform problem, it’s a people problem.
He wasn’t a dictator, he was a commentator. A voice. If you think that makes him a fascist deserving of death, then you’ve abandoned democracy entirely. Free speech means tolerating views you don’t like, not silencing them with murder.
He always said: when people stop talking about problems, bad things happen. That’s where we are now with division, silence, and the celebration of violence. And if you can’t see how dangerous that is, you’re a huge part of the problem.
Democracy has suffered but more importantly, a family has suffered. |
Without wanting to go too far into a battle of what is and isn't a fascist (I don't even know how to describe Kirk), I think saying that just because he was passionate, articulate and happy to debate means he can't have been one is a bit odd. Most dictators, left or right, are very charismatic.
He was someone who thought MLK was awful and that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake, and promoted the anti-Semitic, pro-white nationalist Great Replacement Theory.
Again, I must stress this does not mean he should have been shot, but I think people are in danger of hand-waving away some of the frankly horrible stuff he's said over the years. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:42 - Sep 11 with 437 views | Dubtractor |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:38 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
Without wanting to go too far into a battle of what is and isn't a fascist (I don't even know how to describe Kirk), I think saying that just because he was passionate, articulate and happy to debate means he can't have been one is a bit odd. Most dictators, left or right, are very charismatic.
He was someone who thought MLK was awful and that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake, and promoted the anti-Semitic, pro-white nationalist Great Replacement Theory.
Again, I must stress this does not mean he should have been shot, but I think people are in danger of hand-waving away some of the frankly horrible stuff he's said over the years. |
I think it can be summed up quite simply.
Kirk was a man with abhorrent views, but that doesn't excuse him being murdered. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:44 - Sep 11 with 418 views | JackNorthStand |
Far right ?
Get a grip. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:46 - Sep 11 with 402 views | ShortyBlue92 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:13 - Sep 11 by Libero |
Charlie Kirk was a quasi-fascist who died doing what he loved, being insufferable and patronising to college kids.
What a fascinating array of responses in this thread.
I can only assume many of you have no idea who this man is, what he stands for, what his beliefs are? Because there’s some incredible paradox of tolerance stuff within this thread.
I find the framing of his death being about freedom of speech nauseating.
He was a prominent and influential voice for a quasi fascist regime, this isn’t people just disagreeing ideologically, he actively used his influence to support a quasi-fascist regime and actively showed himself to be repugnant and dangerous individual, with zero shame.
Someone in this thread tried to claim he wasn’t far right?! It’s absolutely absurd.
What has happened to him is a result of the rhetoric he stokes.
In a powerful hit of irony, his last words were about gun violence, where he tried to minimise and write off as ‘gang violence’ which anyone with a brain knows what he is dog whistling there.
I feel no sorrow for the world losing a fascist and I remind everyone that no fascist power has ever been overthrown without violence.
If you’re showing empathy for Kirk, don’t- he’s on record as saying empathy doesn’t exist and that it’s a modern phenomenon that is ‘dangerous’ lol [Post edited 11 Sep 9:15]
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Spoken by a someone that denies freedom of speech
Some might say it’s you that is the fascist | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:47 - Sep 11 with 379 views | TownieRob |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:38 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
Without wanting to go too far into a battle of what is and isn't a fascist (I don't even know how to describe Kirk), I think saying that just because he was passionate, articulate and happy to debate means he can't have been one is a bit odd. Most dictators, left or right, are very charismatic.
He was someone who thought MLK was awful and that the Civil Rights Act was a mistake, and promoted the anti-Semitic, pro-white nationalist Great Replacement Theory.
Again, I must stress this does not mean he should have been shot, but I think people are in danger of hand-waving away some of the frankly horrible stuff he's said over the years. |
I’ve always understood a fascist to be someone who silences or punishes opposing views, and is intolerant of different opinions. He did none of those, in fact, he welcomed debate. So calling him a fascist just doesn’t add up in my opinion. | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:47 - Sep 11 with 374 views | ShortyBlue92 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:44 - Sep 11 by JackNorthStand |
Far right ?
Get a grip. |
Charlie Kirk never used hate speech
He used speech they hated | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:47 - Sep 11 with 371 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:56 - Sep 11 by Luk38644 |
Some of the replies on this thread are the reason I rarely use TWTD anymore - a father & husband has been assassinated for his political beliefs, yet some posters can't show sympathy or disgust because they disagree with his viewpoints and are posting a whole load of whataboutery.
He was the same age as me, a father & husband like me, and I consider myself to be on the right of the political spectrum like he was - do people like me also deserve no sympathy if I was murdered for my political viewpoints? [Post edited 11 Sep 9:58]
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If you’re out there whipping up hate and division with your ‘political views’ then there is certainly a greater chance you will be assassinated. Just like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King JR etc etc before him.
Except the two mentioned were doing it for the good of mankind of course. [Post edited 11 Sep 10:48]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:48 - Sep 11 with 363 views | DJR |
Whilst (as John Donne once wrote) "each man's death diminishes me", I struggle to see why the killing in the US of someone I have never heard of, in a country where guns deaths are commonplace, and where the motives of the killer are unknown, is dominating the headlines in this country.
I suppose it is just a further example of culture war issues originating in the US and then being played out here. [Post edited 11 Sep 10:51]
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