| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? 06:34 - Sep 14 with 1645 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
The levels of sh1thousery seem to be reaching unprecedented levels. The Derby match 2 weeks ago was probably the worst, most unenjoyable match I've been to. If football is going this way, tens of thousands maybe more will just get fed up and stop going. A 5-6 hour round trip and all the sacrifices you make to support your team, to have a horrible experience of no entertainment, just cheating and play acting, it just doesn't add up. (yes I know we did a bit of it last year with Chappers sitting down at various intervals).
McK has said on a few occasions about ball in play time, i.e. matches requiring e.g. 60 mins of ball in play. Other alternatives that like rugby, the trainer can come on the pitch to attend to a player whilst the match continues. Or retrospective match analysis and sanctions against players deemed to have been feigning injury. Any other ideas? |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 06:48 - Sep 14 with 1580 views | NthQldITFC |
The radical one, which would take a lot of persuasion for some to even consider, would be to move to a Rugby League style timekeeper (not sure if they do it in Union too?) and have an official who stops the clock for throw ins, corners, goal kicks, injuries, bookings, talkings-to etc., and play out two thirty? minute halves on this strict timekeeping system.
I don't think any other system works - trainers on the pitch certainly wouldn't in football and retrospective analysis would be too subjective and open to fkn legal challenges.
However, I'd licence Norwich to do it if they can keep stealing points off our promotion rivals this season. |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:08 - Sep 14 with 1345 views | SheffordBlue |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 06:48 - Sep 14 by NthQldITFC |
The radical one, which would take a lot of persuasion for some to even consider, would be to move to a Rugby League style timekeeper (not sure if they do it in Union too?) and have an official who stops the clock for throw ins, corners, goal kicks, injuries, bookings, talkings-to etc., and play out two thirty? minute halves on this strict timekeeping system.
I don't think any other system works - trainers on the pitch certainly wouldn't in football and retrospective analysis would be too subjective and open to fkn legal challenges.
However, I'd licence Norwich to do it if they can keep stealing points off our promotion rivals this season. |
I don't see why physios on the pitch wouldn't work in football. It works well in rugby which is much faster moving game than it used to be. 4th official to control their entry to the playing field. |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:11 - Sep 14 with 1332 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:08 - Sep 14 by SheffordBlue |
I don't see why physios on the pitch wouldn't work in football. It works well in rugby which is much faster moving game than it used to be. 4th official to control their entry to the playing field. |
And perhaps the main thing about allowing physios on during play is the deterrent effect. A player sitting on the ground whilst play continues is only going to happen when it's genuine. | |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:21 - Sep 14 with 1298 views | Pinewoodblue |
The only thing that needs to be done is score first forcing your opponent to play. |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:24 - Sep 14 with 1288 views | NthQldITFC |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:08 - Sep 14 by SheffordBlue |
I don't see why physios on the pitch wouldn't work in football. It works well in rugby which is much faster moving game than it used to be. 4th official to control their entry to the playing field. |
Mainly because rugby is a much more linear game where players and ball are generally moving in one direction together. There would be a lot of collisions with trainers and downed players when, for examples, you're a centre back backtracking under a header, or the ball's getting across the pitch or back and across. | |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:45 - Sep 14 with 1223 views | USA |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:21 - Sep 14 by Pinewoodblue |
The only thing that needs to be done is score first forcing your opponent to play. |
Didn’t see the Derby game then? | |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 09:06 - Sep 14 with 1142 views | bsw72 |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:24 - Sep 14 by NthQldITFC |
Mainly because rugby is a much more linear game where players and ball are generally moving in one direction together. There would be a lot of collisions with trainers and downed players when, for examples, you're a centre back backtracking under a header, or the ball's getting across the pitch or back and across. |
You would very rarely see physios on the pitch as players would not go down so easily, especially defenders in their own half who effectively would play the opposition onside. You only see it in rugby at most once or twice a game if that. Risk of physios causing interruptions to play is minimal as a result.
There’s about 7500 square metres on a football pitch on average, and an injured player / physio would take up less than 0.5% of that.
Based on recent games I have watched, physio attention is not required for 95% of players they have been coming on to attend for as within moments of getting “treatment” the player is up and moving again with no ill effects. |  | | |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 11:19 - Sep 14 with 809 views | franz_tyson |
One thing that p1sses me off is that the rule of stopping play is because it was seen as a attempt to provide medical attention to players with genuine injuries. A good rule with honourable intentions. That has been taken way, way out of context to the point where now its bei g used for open cheating. I have sympathy for the refs. If refs see so much obvious cheating ( players going down and then miraculously on their feet again) so many time, but then decide to ignore a genuine injury just once they'd be vilified by the clubs, media, authorities. Theyd be thrown under the bus..... yet cheating every game goes pretty much unpunished.
Its ruining the game. | | | |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 11:42 - Sep 14 with 762 views | ITFC_Forever |
Budgies were at it yesterday at Cov.
Even the majority of their fans said it was too much. |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 11:50 - Sep 14 with 737 views | ArnieM |
All " head injuries" the player should be asked to leave the field of play for 10 mins, just like they do in rugby. That would stop the tap on the ankle tackles morphing into " head injuries" to waste time.
Its coached cheating, pure and simple, and its killing the game as a spectator sport. |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 12:01 - Sep 14 with 705 views | Bramidan |
If a player goes down he should be taken off the field of play and made to stay off for a minimum of 10 mins. Adequate time to be assessed and treated.
If it is that bad, no problem as he has been taken off, strapped up or whatever.
A miraculous recovery then he has 10 minutes rest whilst his team plays with 10 men.
A player knows if it is serious, they are professional athletes who know their own bodies. | | | |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 13:14 - Sep 14 with 596 views | FrimleyBlue |
Head injury results in a 5 min spell off the pitch alongside the person involved in it so it's a fair number of players on each team.
All other ,injuries, physios should be able to sort it whilst the game is in flow. If the player has to go off they wave a flag and only then the ref stops play and the player is subbed. |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 13:27 - Sep 14 with 557 views | bluelagos |
Agree it's a problem and it detracts from the enjoyment of watching.
Don't see an easy answer - of those mentioned on the thread - keeping a player off the pitch for more than 30 secs - after a stoppage wouldn't be allowed as an injured player (concussed) could carry on playing even if injured (with potentially horrific consequences) rather than see his team let down with say 5 mins off the pitch.
Can you imagine Butch or Beattie going off for a head injury - they'd have played on all day long - would see O'Shea doing similar. Football does have a duty of care to the players so can't see that working unless there was a replacement allowed maybe?
The best feels letting a physio on and just playing on - with the 4th official in charge - but what if that is in the penalty area and near the goal?
And absolutely Ipswich engage in it - Greaves is the worst offender imho (I like him otherwise) and it looks to my untrained eye as something that is coached - so KM no doubt approves - plus as we know Chappers' tactical injuries became almost a joke 20 mins in. |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 13:50 - Sep 14 with 510 views | Sharkey |
I don't see that playing for a certain amount of minutes (as in ice hockey) would make the game more attractive. It would just legitimise these long time-outs, so the game becomes like Amrican football. Players don't break the game up because they think they won't have to play for as long, but because they want to disrupt the other team's momentum, re-organise or simply get their breath back
There are loads of small things that could be done. One example, stop players being allowed to go to the bench for a team talk during the (e.g. McKenna/Chaplin) orchestrated time-outs.
Two, if a player takes a throw-in from the wrong place (knowing full well he'll never sent back to the correct place) , simply call it a foul throw and give the throw the other way. Three, if the goalkeeper takes too long, award a corner.
But the best thing that could happen would be for supporters to call out their own players for cheating. Everyone blames the rules and the refs and the players and the coaches, but most fans take the attitude 'everyone other club does it so we must too'. Most people like their particular club rather than the game itself. Increasingly I find loads of other sports preferable to football, especially if I have no dog in the fight, so to speak. |  | | |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 14:21 - Sep 14 with 431 views | Ryorry |
The other form of sh1thousery I really hate is the WWW arms round neck, waist etc. openly happening in every area of the pitch - and that becoming normalised, with refs increasingly ignoring it. [Post edited 14 Sep 14:23]
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 14:48 - Sep 14 with 352 views | stonojnr |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 09:06 - Sep 14 by bsw72 |
You would very rarely see physios on the pitch as players would not go down so easily, especially defenders in their own half who effectively would play the opposition onside. You only see it in rugby at most once or twice a game if that. Risk of physios causing interruptions to play is minimal as a result.
There’s about 7500 square metres on a football pitch on average, and an injured player / physio would take up less than 0.5% of that.
Based on recent games I have watched, physio attention is not required for 95% of players they have been coming on to attend for as within moments of getting “treatment” the player is up and moving again with no ill effects. |
but thats the problem, players with real injuries, including head injuries, would carry on playing to the detriment of their health, possibly even longterm health.
and theyre the least able to judge how injured they are for themselves
really the solution is to do exactly what the ref did for the Derby game, even if he was the worst ref Ive ever seen with timewasting, you add all the time players get treatment onto the game time.
its simple, its effective, players who are effectively just wasting game time will soon realise theyre not, but it needs to be done consistently all the time, for every game, not when the ref gets bored of it. | | | |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 14:55 - Sep 14 with 315 views | bluelagos |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 14:48 - Sep 14 by stonojnr |
but thats the problem, players with real injuries, including head injuries, would carry on playing to the detriment of their health, possibly even longterm health.
and theyre the least able to judge how injured they are for themselves
really the solution is to do exactly what the ref did for the Derby game, even if he was the worst ref Ive ever seen with timewasting, you add all the time players get treatment onto the game time.
its simple, its effective, players who are effectively just wasting game time will soon realise theyre not, but it needs to be done consistently all the time, for every game, not when the ref gets bored of it. |
Agree with your point about needing to ensure players don't play on with real injuries.
Problem with just adding on time, it doesn't penalise the player who fakes a head injury to break up an attack. But was good to see so much added time for sure. | |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 16:43 - Sep 14 with 120 views | mellowblue |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 11:50 - Sep 14 by ArnieM |
All " head injuries" the player should be asked to leave the field of play for 10 mins, just like they do in rugby. That would stop the tap on the ankle tackles morphing into " head injuries" to waste time.
Its coached cheating, pure and simple, and its killing the game as a spectator sport. |
as long as you allow a temporary concussion sub. Otherwise players with genuine head injuries might feel pressured to continue playing rather than leave their team down to 10 for 10 minutes.. | | | |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 16:47 - Sep 14 with 101 views | noggin |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 11:42 - Sep 14 by ITFC_Forever |
Budgies were at it yesterday at Cov.
Even the majority of their fans said it was too much. |
Apparently their new anthem is "On the floor City" |  |
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| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 16:57 - Sep 14 with 61 views | brogansnose |
As an aside, I notice that the game involving Derby yesterday had an extra 9 minutes of time added on in a game that was descibed as ' largely uneventful'.
Seems to be a bit of a theme with Derby. |  | | |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 17:05 - Sep 14 with 28 views | billlm |
Awful but when it reversed brilliant as in last night,
Chelsea went 2-1 up all the dark arts who's taking throw uns, falling over pretending there injured, oh keeper needs treatment all of it,
Oops let a last minute goal in,
Brentford had to endure var but was nothing wrong with it,
Saw the game out for a draw brilliant, |  | | |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 17:06 - Sep 14 with 24 views | RonFearonsHair |
| Sh1thousery and anti-football - surely something needs to be done? on 08:08 - Sep 14 by SheffordBlue |
I don't see why physios on the pitch wouldn't work in football. It works well in rugby which is much faster moving game than it used to be. 4th official to control their entry to the playing field. |
A defender who went down injured in their own box would technically be playing all the opposition onside while he was being treated. I guess perhaps an additional law would need to be introduced to say only 'active' players on the pitch could play anyone onside. |  | | |
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