| Kieran McKenna 08:27 - Oct 23 with 4388 views | ArnieM |
I really, really do want this man to succeed at Town. He's a thoroughly decent guy, and a very good coach all said and done. But his achilles heel is his reluctance to deviate from what he firmly believes is the " right way ". If only he would mix things up a bit from his current approach. Its not a weakness to admit to yourself that something isn't working, and to try something different. It shows personal and professional development. Yet for the life of me I cant fathom why he's not done it, when you consider his reputation within the game of being fanatically detailed in his preparations and a deep thinker about the game.
I'd suggest he needs a different, ( more experienced?) Deputy alongside him, but I doubt he'd accept that, and would probably view it as a slight on his own skill sets, but I think it could help. It won't happen i know.
The problem is at some point the owners are going to call Ashton in and pose the question. Its a results game and for over a year McKenna has simply not got them despite the ridiculous level of spending. Ashton will at some point be asked to make that decision.
So come on Kieran, make some changes to your approach, we all want you to succeed here. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 11:04 - Oct 23 with 738 views | Reuser_is_God |
He already has succeeded here. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 11:13 - Oct 23 with 710 views | Benters |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
Spot on bud,look what he has achieved in his time here,and in all honesty he’s still learning his trade.
We really have some odd fans clapping relegation with Lambert etc,that went well didn’t it 🥵.
I say cut KM some slack. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 11:14 - Oct 23 with 705 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
Indeed. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 13:25 - Oct 23 with 637 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
Sorry, didn’t see your already responded with this before I did.
Worth reinforcing the point though! | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 13:40 - Oct 23 with 613 views | mellowblue |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:54 - Oct 23 by Bobbychase |
Excactly, people just ignore the facts to suit their narrative. Changing the team is fine if we are winning, then it becomes a bad thing if we lose.
"Morsy would never have let this happen" I heard someone say as we were leaving after the Charlton game. Had to chuckle. The worst capitulation in the McKenna era has to be going from 4-2 up away at Charlton in injury time to drawing. Morsy was captain and on the pitch. We also capitulated against Rotherham at home and were rescued by the Omari late winner. There are other examples. |
The Charlton debacle was actually slightly on Morsy who was looking for a fifth and they broke away to score. But it was not a capitulation. They lost their heads a bit in the excitement of the moment. Morsy should have made it 5 really. I was a mad 5 minutes for sure. Sometimes you have to give the opposition credit and the Rotherham was not a capitulation, just a complacency that gave the other team the momentum until we got our act together again. [Post edited 23 Oct 13:41]
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| Kieran McKenna on 13:48 - Oct 23 with 606 views | gainsboroughblue |
I think the thing is, if we did get rid of McKenna and we were thinking of who we should appoint next, we'd be looking at.......Mckenna.
He's been brilliant for our club but I just think a big sit down, review and plan what's next is needed. The last 12-16 months have felt really chaotic, jumbled and made up as we go along. I'd be happier with some reassurance that the money we've spent (and overspent in some cases) doesn't mean there's none left (for now at least) and it's not a case of 'you've made your bed, now lie in it (as Paul Weller said). [Post edited 23 Oct 13:49]
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| Kieran McKenna on 13:53 - Oct 23 with 589 views | peterleeblue |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:36 - Oct 23 by ParisBlue |
I'd like to know whose idea it was to make 6-8 changes during 3 game weeks. That wasn't necessary in 23/24, when we made minimal changes, won the game, then took players off to give them a rest. |
Sometimes an embarrassment of riches causes this.
Sunderland's team picked itself all last season until the last 8 games when they went into pre season made to allow the stalwarts to freshen. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 13:59 - Oct 23 with 571 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 13:48 - Oct 23 by gainsboroughblue |
I think the thing is, if we did get rid of McKenna and we were thinking of who we should appoint next, we'd be looking at.......Mckenna.
He's been brilliant for our club but I just think a big sit down, review and plan what's next is needed. The last 12-16 months have felt really chaotic, jumbled and made up as we go along. I'd be happier with some reassurance that the money we've spent (and overspent in some cases) doesn't mean there's none left (for now at least) and it's not a case of 'you've made your bed, now lie in it (as Paul Weller said). [Post edited 23 Oct 13:49]
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Interesting thought
imagine for a second that were true and we were going for a manager who'd only won 7 out of 48 games, would you be looking at mkenna, afterall, we've been there before picking managers who had once won promotion, one of them a double promotion..
BTW not a comparison, just saying any thoughts on mckenna are mainly with town glasses on as he's our manager. Many friends who support other clubs were suprised he lasted all of last season let alone not having a great start this one. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 14:09 - Oct 23 with 554 views | mellowblue |
| Kieran McKenna on 13:53 - Oct 23 by peterleeblue |
Sometimes an embarrassment of riches causes this.
Sunderland's team picked itself all last season until the last 8 games when they went into pre season made to allow the stalwarts to freshen. |
Yes, with such a large squad, apart from LB position you can pretty much field 2 strong teams out of the squad we have. With games coming thick and fast rotation is part of the plan and though 7 changes sounds high, they actually started the game okay, just did not get the breakthrough we needed. They certainly did not play like strangers. We don't have a starting 11 per se as we did in previous years due to the 2 players per position mantra. But having a strong starting 11 does not always cut the mustard longterm and was our undoing in the Robson years once injuries kicked in, the replacements were clearly not aT the same level and it cost us. Not Robson's fault of course, he would have loved a stronger squad. | | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 14:16 - Oct 23 with 549 views | Basuco |
Any change of Kieran at this point would be madness, we can see that performances are improving with every game, the players are getting used to the KM patterns of play and connections are starting to happen. Yes it is taking a bit longer than expected but we have the best man/coaching team in place to take us forward. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 14:23 - Oct 23 with 531 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:05 - Oct 23 by ArnieM |
I haven't said he hasn't been successful at Town. But he cant live in those past promotions going forward.
To stand still is to go backwards ...even Ashton has alluded to this for the Club and
" the project". So please do not try to twist my words or intended message of support behind my post.
Yours and others responses are just typical examples of shytehousery that happens constantly in this forum!
For those that day he does change his approach, well it clearly isn't working is it. We are SO predictable, evdn down to the minute and who he will substitute...Even the EADT are starting to question his approach and suggest a change. So is everyone else wrong except the few on here? And even if he is adapting his appriach ( i see no evidence of this), it isn't working. Do you'd try something else would you? [Post edited 23 Oct 9:09]
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You are nearly always wrong to be fair. | | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 15:11 - Oct 23 with 492 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Kieran McKenna on 13:59 - Oct 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Interesting thought
imagine for a second that were true and we were going for a manager who'd only won 7 out of 48 games, would you be looking at mkenna, afterall, we've been there before picking managers who had once won promotion, one of them a double promotion..
BTW not a comparison, just saying any thoughts on mckenna are mainly with town glasses on as he's our manager. Many friends who support other clubs were suprised he lasted all of last season let alone not having a great start this one. |
My thoughts are the same. He will go and and have a decent career with or without us. Every manager's time at a club has a best before date and I'm not saying that McKenna's days here are stale, just some of the ideas maybe are. He, and indeed we, aren't quite the unknown entity we were. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 17:42 - Oct 23 with 452 views | Blue_Heath |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:06 - Oct 23 by cressi |
Maybe like in the days of George Burley he brought Stewart Houston in to help defensively although George was a defender another set of eyes.
I had the feeling right or wrong and said in the car on the way to the Charlton game after watching the Boro game this has been almost a Yr and I fear he won't change and will fall on his sword by the new year hopefully I'm wrong. |
This is exactly what is needed Houston transformed that season and we went on a mega run. | | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 17:45 - Oct 23 with 448 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Kieran McKenna on 17:42 - Oct 23 by Blue_Heath |
This is exactly what is needed Houston transformed that season and we went on a mega run. |
Burley did similar the season before with Brian Hamilton If I recall. That seemed to coincide with an upsurge in form too. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 18:42 - Oct 23 with 405 views | ottovonbismark |
| Kieran McKenna on 14:16 - Oct 23 by Basuco |
Any change of Kieran at this point would be madness, we can see that performances are improving with every game, the players are getting used to the KM patterns of play and connections are starting to happen. Yes it is taking a bit longer than expected but we have the best man/coaching team in place to take us forward. |
Any change of Kieran at this point would be madness, we can see that performances are improving with every game - No we cannot.
the players are getting used to the KM patterns of play and connections are starting to happen - not on the evidence of what we have seen this season. | | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 18:56 - Oct 23 with 396 views | Dubtractor |
I was bloody angry after the second half on Tuesday, but in the cold light of day if our defenders had done the basics, and our forwards managed to hit the proverbial barn door rather than missing umpteen openings then we're all in a different mood this week.
The stats for the game very much bear that out too.
So is the issue the tactics, or players failing to do the stuff that they probably do every day on the training pitch?
There was a lot wrong about the game on Tuesday, but I'm not too sure that the tactics were the biggest issue. [Post edited 24 Oct 9:30]
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| Kieran McKenna on 00:27 - Oct 24 with 324 views | patrickswell |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:37 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
It's UTTERLY UN-FKN-BELIEVABLE that anybody could be even remotely close to even half thinking the opposite.
I'm staying off here as much as I can at the moment because so many people seem to have lost their tiny minds.
What a state we've got to when fans lose the plot and start wetting their knickers and screaming ten games into a squad transition.
I know it's the shallow social media-driven environment, but what an absolutely pathetic response. |
Not to mention the shrillness of this “Only 7 wins the last 48 league games” that’s started to rear its head lately.
I’d understand if 38 of those games had been at Championship or League One level, but they weren’t.They were against the 19 best teams in the country, after 22 years of being away from competing at that level. Also, we’d all like a few more wins on the board, but we only need 1 more win to equal the number we had last season, and 4 wins on the board by end of October, if it happens is OK.
It’s a better quality squad than it was 30 years ago, but this season is essentially 1995/96 again. Looks great when it clicks; vulnerable and leaky when it doesn’t. It took that squad until the new year to start performing well. The same thing could happen here. Patience everyone. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 06:21 - Oct 24 with 272 views | Benters |
| Kieran McKenna on 18:56 - Oct 23 by Dubtractor |
I was bloody angry after the second half on Tuesday, but in the cold light of day if our defenders had done the basics, and our forwards managed to hit the proverbial barn door rather than missing umpteen openings then we're all in a different mood this week.
The stats for the game very much bear that out too.
So is the issue the tactics, or players failing to do the stuff that they probably do every day on the training pitch?
There was a lot wrong about the game on Tuesday, but I'm not too sure that the tactics were the biggest issue. [Post edited 24 Oct 9:30]
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I think it was just one of those games where everything in the second half went right for Charlton,and if the game had carried on for another hour town still wouldn’t have scored. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:21 - Oct 24 with 213 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kieran McKenna on 13:59 - Oct 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Interesting thought
imagine for a second that were true and we were going for a manager who'd only won 7 out of 48 games, would you be looking at mkenna, afterall, we've been there before picking managers who had once won promotion, one of them a double promotion..
BTW not a comparison, just saying any thoughts on mckenna are mainly with town glasses on as he's our manager. Many friends who support other clubs were suprised he lasted all of last season let alone not having a great start this one. |
Why do people keep saying "7 out of 48 games" and leaving out the MASSIVE context of most of them being in the Premier League, having jumped up two divisions in a row to get there?
7 out of 48 games would be bad, and sackable, if it were simply that. But it's not. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:34 - Oct 24 with 197 views | Benters |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:21 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why do people keep saying "7 out of 48 games" and leaving out the MASSIVE context of most of them being in the Premier League, having jumped up two divisions in a row to get there?
7 out of 48 games would be bad, and sackable, if it were simply that. But it's not. |
Spot on Dollers its a uppie from me. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:48 - Oct 24 with 187 views | Everydayblue |
Gotta take the rough with the smooth....
What is he?.. Just 4 seasons into management now? And still in the hunt for 3 promotions in 4 seasons...
We knew KM wasn't the finished article when he arrived here. We've all enjoyed the amazing success he bought here like a massive breath of fresh air..
There is a first time, for anyone to tackle a situation that is new to them. Learn from it and become a more complete person (manager)..
I would wager, that we are still well ahead of our original, expected curve. Since Game Changer came in.
We've just lost 2 on the spin. It happens.
Yes, we need a reset of sorts... But we have the squad and finances to keep pushing this season.
Wish people would stop using our "premature" Prem' season as a yardstick to judge anyone at the club... It was an absolute miracle to get there. Took great effort. And has put us in a far better position to grow, than we could ever have expected 3 years ago...
We are in a good spot, overall. Even better spot if we just get behind everyone and stop chucking negativity all over a project, that is largely succeeding. | | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:49 - Oct 24 with 186 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:21 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why do people keep saying "7 out of 48 games" and leaving out the MASSIVE context of most of them being in the Premier League, having jumped up two divisions in a row to get there?
7 out of 48 games would be bad, and sackable, if it were simply that. But it's not. |
Only mentioned it above In regards to people saying we'd be looking at mckenna if we needed a new manager. If there was town link and we had no idea who he was I don't think mckenna would be high on alot of supporter lists.
As a outsider you see two promotions. Excellent. A really bad prem season. Spent a fortune. No wins away. A handful of open play goals this season and currently 12th. So no as a town fan I wouldn't be looking at that manager saying oo yes let's get him. Not after our luck with lambert a double promotion winner himself.
How we view km is different to how many neutrals see him. ( of course that view depends who you're speaking to) I've got some who rate him. Some who don't) [Post edited 24 Oct 9:51]
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| Kieran McKenna on 10:50 - Oct 24 with 139 views | baxterbasics |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:21 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why do people keep saying "7 out of 48 games" and leaving out the MASSIVE context of most of them being in the Premier League, having jumped up two divisions in a row to get there?
7 out of 48 games would be bad, and sackable, if it were simply that. But it's not. |
yes and for those PL games we still had a squad built around Lg 1 players that the same moaners think we should have hung onto instead of trying to build a team that might have a better shot next time!
What KM has tried to do with the new players is to get the team more PL ready. It may yet pay off, may not (especially if we can't even get out of the Championship) but he was never going to just stick with the same team and hope it worked out better this time. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 10:53 - Oct 24 with 137 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:50 - Oct 24 by baxterbasics |
yes and for those PL games we still had a squad built around Lg 1 players that the same moaners think we should have hung onto instead of trying to build a team that might have a better shot next time!
What KM has tried to do with the new players is to get the team more PL ready. It may yet pay off, may not (especially if we can't even get out of the Championship) but he was never going to just stick with the same team and hope it worked out better this time. |
Out of interest. How many of last years squad came from league 1 or below.
I know Burgess and burns. But burns was injured anyway. But what other players last year came from league 1 or lower? | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 11:01 - Oct 24 with 122 views | bluefunk |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:53 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Out of interest. How many of last years squad came from league 1 or below.
I know Burgess and burns. But burns was injured anyway. But what other players last year came from league 1 or lower? |
From last seasons squad, the following players came from League One in the previous 2 seasons
Walton, Davis, Woolfie, Burgess, Clarke, Morsy, Taylor, Hirst, Chaplin, Burns, Broadhead, Louongo.
Even if they weren’t first choice last season they featured when we had injuries etc. That’s 12 of a 25 man squad, enough for you?? |  | | |
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