| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. 10:21 - Oct 26 with 4015 views | unstableblue |
… at the moment.
A vibe that is making its way onto the pitch, has some anti-McKenna rhetoric in it, and perhaps presents the start of a bit of a schism with our well loved manager (well still loved by the majority) for the first time.
I thought it was just ‘wood work’ posters on this forum who emerge to thrive on bad results/performances… but it’s across social media and even posters who are a little more balanced.
I get the negativity, fans are still not fully invested in this new batch of players, they pine for the departed characters of the double, performances have been sub par, and selections questioned. Charlton second half deserved derision, it was a collapse. But our confidence and player patterns are just not set.
But the criticism is over the top for me, and seems to portray a deeper lack of investment in this next project.
I think the Premier League showings and lack of wins has left more damage than perhaps realised.
And also the club need to do a bit better, players need to come closer to the north stand after a win, and immediately after the final whistle - engage the fan base more.
But it’s the lethargy point for me… yesterday was a huge win, massively needed. Yet people are more focussed on the negative - check out a third of the 3 word summaries in Homer’s thread.
Philogene had a stonewall penalty not given, it’s hardly debated.
Good that Jack Clarke’s move from villain to cult hero is underway. But should we be shouting more about how Egeli showed incredible promise in that second half.
No doubt overthinking it, but the negativity around me for the majority of the game was OTT. Especially towards Hirst and OShea. And clearly McKenna is picking this up.
Thoughts? I enjoyed the game and a lot of the player performances. And for me it was huge win to really celebrate. But of course poor showings against and Watford and it may go very toxic. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 10:43 - Oct 26 with 3055 views | Plums |
For those of us who are a bit longer in the tooth, these are far from 'dark days' or even 'worrying times', we're suffering from an EPL hangover where losing became a habit.
If I was to sum up the current situation (with my tongue slightly in cheek), I would say the club is finding out for the first time in many years that it's quite tough in the entertainment industry.
We've been to the big show, we want to get there again. Many have joined us on the journey but at the moment, it's not quite working out - for all of the reasons you cite so eloquently below. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 10:55 - Oct 26 with 3008 views | Guthrum |
I think Town fans' morale was somewhat fragile even throughout the two seasons of incredible, against-the-odds success taking us from L1 to the Prem. Remember the atmosphere during our over-winter slumps and in the face of setbacks.
Then our experiences after the first few hopeful weeks in the top division got bleaker and bleaker. Especially as potential relegation rivals changed manager and pulled away from danger. It was a kick in the teeth after all the exceeding of expectation which had led up to it.
But it was OK, we had a good squad, financial prosperity (compared to the Evans era) and an expectation of bouncing straight back up. Then the summer window saw the loss of many old favourite faces (not always in the happiest manner) and again failing to get some of those who supporters felt we needed. Not a disaster, or even objectively bad, but unsettling.
Making a shaky start to the season has turned the fragility into a rage that we have thrown away the ground gained, that we have blown our chance (shades of 2002 and the playoff seasons thereafter). Through too much squad change, poor recruitment, tactical failings, McKenna not being as good as thought, player lack of motivation - lots of people have different theories as to what they think has gone terminally wrong.
What little belief people had - always more surprised by our rise than confidently expectant - is dissipated. Replaced with the gloomy prognosis of a further decade or two in the wilderness, our owners giving up and withdrawing their support, doom, doom, doom.
There is no patience because the basis of it is not there. Our rise was too fast and too unlikely to breed genuine confidence in our new status. Perhaps too dependent upon miracles like FGR v SheffWed and the Coventry postponement. Our spending has not produced instant success (which is against the Laws of Modern Football). Upon what can the fans build a determination to battle our way through a difficult time?
It is something we need to learn, but it takes time. Which is not something in great supply with today's short attention spans and the season rumbling past at two games a week. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 10:55 - Oct 26 with 3002 views | blueoxford |
Good post.
One of McKenna’s best attributes is getting the best out of his players. In many ways he was greatly helped by Paul Cook moving on older, less ambitious players before he arrived, but he clearly brought together a squad of very good League 1/Championship players to get the best from their abilities and with the squad spirit and momentum allied by terrific leadership from Samy and the senior players propelled us into the Premiership. I think that it is commendable that he was loyal to those players and gave some of them the chance to play in the Premiership (which they would never have got elsewhere), but this summer was clearly time to move on. I love Chaplin, Morsy, Burge etc but they were never going to get us back to the Premiership and if promoted, stay there. I don’t believe he was ‘criticising’ the fans yesterday, but he clearly said to the players that they were going to have to win the game yesterday without reliance on an atmosphere of support and encouragement from the Portman Rd crowd (which was in many ways true). It required a workmanlike performance and I think Taylor epitomised that (my MoM). I look at interviews with Premiership (and Championship) managers and would still not want to swap McKenna with any one of them. He can be stubborn in some of his selections (and I do have concerns about Hirst), but often that loyalty and belief in players has worked to McKenna’s advantage and as we get further into the season, more and more of those partnerships across the pitch will hopefully click |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:03 - Oct 26 with 2970 views | waveneyblue |
Absolutely this....
The attitude of a (growing) section of our fanbase absolutely stinks.
Theres a selection on here, but its way worse on the wider social media. Some of the stuff posted by fully grown adults is mind blowing.
I think what Something Blue said is correct, its a reflection of the world we live in. The I want everything, but im giving nothing and I will kick off if I dont get it.
Depressing times [Post edited 26 Oct 11:05]
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:29 - Oct 26 with 2809 views | jasondozzell |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 10:43 - Oct 26 by Plums |
For those of us who are a bit longer in the tooth, these are far from 'dark days' or even 'worrying times', we're suffering from an EPL hangover where losing became a habit.
If I was to sum up the current situation (with my tongue slightly in cheek), I would say the club is finding out for the first time in many years that it's quite tough in the entertainment industry.
We've been to the big show, we want to get there again. Many have joined us on the journey but at the moment, it's not quite working out - for all of the reasons you cite so eloquently below. |
Well put.
I have felt so calm over recent times because having seen the club rudderless and directionless for so long your just feel secure with KM at the helm. An intelligent man and a club well resourced and run.
I don't know what everyone was expecting from last season. We didn't disgrace ourselves. It's a brutal league even if you haven't just rocketed up from League 1.
Cue the 'Look at Sunderland!' brigade. Tough. Sometimes you lose in football and sometimes things aren't a fairytale
We're in rude health and people going mad just reveal that they aren't proper supporters imo.
KM as ever did it diplomatically yesterday but got his point across.
It's interesting to see the side develop and identity form. It's not a microwave ready meal. Think of the work KM puts in to get it to work.
At one point we dreamed of being competitive in the championship during those endless Evans years. |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:51 - Oct 26 with 2689 views | BouncebackIpswich |
I see it slightly differently. Great, historic team from a small football mad town starved of success and really anything to cheer for 20 years, seemingly in terminal decline, and then someone comes along and takes us back to the promised land. He naturally becomes a god like figure to the fanbase and can't put a foot wrong, for a generation of fans he is the first manager they have seen have any success and the relationship the fanbase have towards the manager goes from supporter to almost hero worship.
But then said manager starts to show some flaws, at times appearing tactically inflexible, bringing in players who don't seem to fit the system, loses a lot of matches and it brings up a lot of emotions for the hero worshippers. Some become ultra defensive about hearing any criticism towards him (you see a number of posters like that on TWTD) whereas others feel almost let down by someone they idolised, a bit lke when you realise your Mum and Dad aren't actually perfect human beings, and they are especially vocal in their criticisms. You get a big clash between the ones who refuse to see any flaws Vs the ones who are overly critical and there is so much emotion involved.
Ultimately the fan base is quite divided and there's a fear of going back to the bad old days and the only way to solve is it KM and MA showing through results that they still know what they are doing and that the glorious double promotion was not just a one off (two off?) As fans we have got to try and be measured, trust the process and not over react to losses or victories and stay supporting the team but obviously being football that's easier said than done! That doesn't mean never being critical or pointing out areas that need improving but also not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Will add that the Town fanbase are one of the more supportive and stable fanbases around, the atmosphere at the other club I support is absolutely mutinous and frankly Towns support put them to total shame. |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:51 - Oct 26 with 2698 views | stonojnr |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:03 - Oct 26 by waveneyblue |
Absolutely this....
The attitude of a (growing) section of our fanbase absolutely stinks.
Theres a selection on here, but its way worse on the wider social media. Some of the stuff posted by fully grown adults is mind blowing.
I think what Something Blue said is correct, its a reflection of the world we live in. The I want everything, but im giving nothing and I will kick off if I dont get it.
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do people really paying any attention to what fans say on social media ? its mostly nonsense and people shouting out into the void. I doubt Kmc spends any time bothering with it. | | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:55 - Oct 26 with 2657 views | jasondozzell |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:51 - Oct 26 by BouncebackIpswich |
I see it slightly differently. Great, historic team from a small football mad town starved of success and really anything to cheer for 20 years, seemingly in terminal decline, and then someone comes along and takes us back to the promised land. He naturally becomes a god like figure to the fanbase and can't put a foot wrong, for a generation of fans he is the first manager they have seen have any success and the relationship the fanbase have towards the manager goes from supporter to almost hero worship.
But then said manager starts to show some flaws, at times appearing tactically inflexible, bringing in players who don't seem to fit the system, loses a lot of matches and it brings up a lot of emotions for the hero worshippers. Some become ultra defensive about hearing any criticism towards him (you see a number of posters like that on TWTD) whereas others feel almost let down by someone they idolised, a bit lke when you realise your Mum and Dad aren't actually perfect human beings, and they are especially vocal in their criticisms. You get a big clash between the ones who refuse to see any flaws Vs the ones who are overly critical and there is so much emotion involved.
Ultimately the fan base is quite divided and there's a fear of going back to the bad old days and the only way to solve is it KM and MA showing through results that they still know what they are doing and that the glorious double promotion was not just a one off (two off?) As fans we have got to try and be measured, trust the process and not over react to losses or victories and stay supporting the team but obviously being football that's easier said than done! That doesn't mean never being critical or pointing out areas that need improving but also not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Will add that the Town fanbase are one of the more supportive and stable fanbases around, the atmosphere at the other club I support is absolutely mutinous and frankly Towns support put them to total shame. |
'let down by someone they idolised'
What are you on about? We've had a mixed start to the season for fairly obvious reasons. Win our game in hand we will go top 6.
We've played 11 games. | | | |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:03 - Oct 26 with 2604 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:55 - Oct 26 by jasondozzell |
'let down by someone they idolised'
What are you on about? We've had a mixed start to the season for fairly obvious reasons. Win our game in hand we will go top 6.
We've played 11 games. |
ALMOST let down - if you read the full paragraph without cherry picking it's taking my post well out of context.
There is no doubt he's started to lose his God like status amongst the fanbase with how last year played out and start to this season, the growing criticism bears witness to that
To be clear before I get jumped on yet again by the usual suspects who can't hear anything that's not full throated praise I have full faith in McKenna and fully expect Town to finish top 6 minimum probably 4th at the lowest, he's the best man for the job, but the reality is he is after all human and will make mistakes at times. | | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:14 - Oct 26 with 2550 views | billlm |
I think I was guilty of that yesterday looking back,
3 points is 3 points that we needed and now have,
I think on paper wba deserved respect but there poor performance did not so I think McKenna has gone about setting us up keeping us tight in there respect of how the game could have gone,
Late in the game we had far to much for them and should have been far more comfortable,
So forgive me for my slight negativity, |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:16 - Oct 26 with 2544 views | bluefunk |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:03 - Oct 26 by BouncebackIpswich |
ALMOST let down - if you read the full paragraph without cherry picking it's taking my post well out of context.
There is no doubt he's started to lose his God like status amongst the fanbase with how last year played out and start to this season, the growing criticism bears witness to that
To be clear before I get jumped on yet again by the usual suspects who can't hear anything that's not full throated praise I have full faith in McKenna and fully expect Town to finish top 6 minimum probably 4th at the lowest, he's the best man for the job, but the reality is he is after all human and will make mistakes at times. |
He’s only losing that status because of the unrealistic expectations of a section of entitled morons who believes that it’s acceptable to boo your own player. We get this regularly going back as far as Scowcroft, and fast forward it’s Hirst who’s now getting abuse from people who ignore anything he does that’s positive and pick on anything that might be construed as a mistake.
I doubt that anyone in any work environment does their best work when someone (let alone hundreds of people) is constantly looking over their shoulder going “you’re sh1t you are” (and much worse) so why would anyone feel that that was a way to help the team improve. Morons, as I said. |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:18 - Oct 26 with 2543 views | GlasgowBlue |
I think it's understandable that there is a feeling of negativity amongst the fanbase at the moment.
We brought in some of the best Champ[ionship players to the club last season with this season in mind and we invested a huge sum this summer as well.
Most would have expected the pattern of the last few years to continue where, Luton aside, the relegated teams would be in. and around the top three for most of the season. That pattern hasn't continued this season. Saints and Leicester have new managers and Leicester also have a points deduction hanging over them. So with the continuity of McKenna in charge this was an ideal opportunity to steal a march on our expected rivals.
We are currently 9 points off the top two (albeit we can cut that to six with a win at Blackburn) and 12 off top. We currently don't look capable of putting the sort of run together that will close that gap (losing to Boro was a big blow).
Ten games in and we haven't won away and MCkenna still doesn't know his best team.So there is obvious disappointment in and around the club.
However, there is a lot of football still to be played and points to be won, and there is enough quality in the team to turn this around. We also have the best manager in the league and he knows how to get a team promoted. If top 2 eludes us then it will be the lottery of the play offs. I think it's impossible to conceive that this team won't make the top six. You can be absolute dog sh1t in the Championship and still put together a run towards the end of the season and crash the play offs. And we are far from being dog sh1t.
One thing I'm clinging to is that in both our promotion seasons we have had blips from late December through to mid February. I'm hoping we just had our blip early and we go on a fantastic run that shoots us up the table. That is going to involve taking points from the likes of Coventry. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:20 - Oct 26 with 2499 views | JeremiahBrown |
Negativity won't help and criticising players like Hirst won't help either. It is damaging to their confidence. If the team and manager get negative vibes, they will lose confidence and things will go the opposite way to what we want. Maybe some fans expectations are too high. We need to fully get behind the manager and players if we want them to do well. It means a lot to them. | | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:24 - Oct 26 with 2481 views | Illinoisblue |
Some of the stuff on Twitter is insane. Don’t know if they’re coked up yoofs or what but they are outraged KM has called them out. All very snowflakey from the tough guys.
A good reminder for some that they need to ask what they can do for their team, and not what their team can do for them. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:43 - Oct 26 with 2378 views | jasondozzell |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:03 - Oct 26 by BouncebackIpswich |
ALMOST let down - if you read the full paragraph without cherry picking it's taking my post well out of context.
There is no doubt he's started to lose his God like status amongst the fanbase with how last year played out and start to this season, the growing criticism bears witness to that
To be clear before I get jumped on yet again by the usual suspects who can't hear anything that's not full throated praise I have full faith in McKenna and fully expect Town to finish top 6 minimum probably 4th at the lowest, he's the best man for the job, but the reality is he is after all human and will make mistakes at times. |
I don't think KM would say he never make mistakes. | | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:44 - Oct 26 with 2388 views | Wickets |
No penalty, mind you I have only seen it live but it was right in front of me . I thought the defender just held his ground as Phil ran into him . The expectation from the media has many fans fooled . As soon as those big changes started I sort of thought oh well play offs at best . Sorry but I even said as much to family and somewhere or other. I'm still fully behind the manager and team and hoping for better obviously but if winning the league was so piss easy it would not be fun . COYBS |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:51 - Oct 26 with 2333 views | Ftnfwest |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 10:43 - Oct 26 by Plums |
For those of us who are a bit longer in the tooth, these are far from 'dark days' or even 'worrying times', we're suffering from an EPL hangover where losing became a habit.
If I was to sum up the current situation (with my tongue slightly in cheek), I would say the club is finding out for the first time in many years that it's quite tough in the entertainment industry.
We've been to the big show, we want to get there again. Many have joined us on the journey but at the moment, it's not quite working out - for all of the reasons you cite so eloquently below. |
Quite right, frankly we're still living a golden age in my book and I saw most of the Robson years as well.. My outlook and hope at the start of the season was play offs and I'll still settle for that. A rebuild is just that, and we used the prem season financially very well to aid that rebuild because of the largely necessary departures (I do still exclude Chaplin from those) of the double promotion squad. |  | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:03 - Oct 26 with 2270 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think the football this season has been really tough to watch some times, one of the reasons I was so shocked fans were desperate to return to the championship.Im not sure we have played anywhere near our best and still have loads of improving to do if we want to be a team that gets automatic promotion.
That being said, the anti McKenna rhetoric is absolutely ridiculous. He is evidently, undeniably the right man to take us forward and he deserves our respect and patience. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:04 - Oct 26 with 2242 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 11:29 - Oct 26 by jasondozzell |
Well put.
I have felt so calm over recent times because having seen the club rudderless and directionless for so long your just feel secure with KM at the helm. An intelligent man and a club well resourced and run.
I don't know what everyone was expecting from last season. We didn't disgrace ourselves. It's a brutal league even if you haven't just rocketed up from League 1.
Cue the 'Look at Sunderland!' brigade. Tough. Sometimes you lose in football and sometimes things aren't a fairytale
We're in rude health and people going mad just reveal that they aren't proper supporters imo.
KM as ever did it diplomatically yesterday but got his point across.
It's interesting to see the side develop and identity form. It's not a microwave ready meal. Think of the work KM puts in to get it to work.
At one point we dreamed of being competitive in the championship during those endless Evans years. |
Think one of the issues arises from the words of those at the highest levels at town and how you manage the expectations of the fans.
Go back last summer. We spent more in 1 window that's over 40 years of town transfer totals ( something like that ) " we aren't here to make the up the numbers" " we will be bold but shark like with our transfers"
What transpired wasn't even close.
No direct issue with that. End of the day some things don't quite go to plan.
But that's why you need to be careful with your words in such a position Ashton holds. Agree or disagree. People will hang off those words and the expectation esp with beliefs we had the best manager in the game was that we'd give the prem a fight and apart from the opening id day couple months where we looked like we competing. We never really got anywhere and in the end we were pants.
So yeah we've come down and then struggled further.
We've lost all the lads the fans loved over the past few years and we'd lost 0-3 at home to charlton recently after the boro defeat.
It's not a shock there's a group of supporters not fully behind things.
That doesn't mean everything's bad and that's why I'm surprised KM commented on on the fans. He wasn't direct or anything but those fans have had a pretty tough time watching town the last 18 months after 2 years of parties. That's a massive change in match day emotions.
After charlton KM said he understood. Fast forward and he's commenting on it. So he doesn't quite understand as much as he says.
Anyways. We keep plugging in results the good times and the party atmospheres will return.
What ever happens. Ashton imo needs to be careful with his words too. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:08 - Oct 26 with 2215 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 12:44 - Oct 26 by Wickets |
No penalty, mind you I have only seen it live but it was right in front of me . I thought the defender just held his ground as Phil ran into him . The expectation from the media has many fans fooled . As soon as those big changes started I sort of thought oh well play offs at best . Sorry but I even said as much to family and somewhere or other. I'm still fully behind the manager and team and hoping for better obviously but if winning the league was so piss easy it would not be fun . COYBS |
You've not watched it since? The defender doesn't just stand his ground, he gives Jaden a big, 2 handed push. I couldn't see it live, as I'm higher up in block 3, but watching the replays, that will be given more often than not. | | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:54 - Oct 26 with 2056 views | SomethingBlue |
It's difficult isn't it. That was an unimaginable high in 2024. We will not see anything quite like it again, I'm pretty sure of that. For me that almost felt like the culmination of football & ITFC support: absolute perfection, with the realisation afterwards that it was probably a lifetime peak in terms of how it was done, how the entire town was afterwards, everything about it. Experiencing that from almost nowhere, you don't really know where to go next.
So I understand it's hard for people to pick themselves up a bit now. But we are still seeing football and prospects light years ahead of anything that has come our way for nearly 25 years. It is crucial to remember that. I don't really detect any anti-McKenna rhetoric (who on earth could ever be anti him?!) but the lethargy thing is a fair call. I hope a little run of wins will clear people's heads to go again – the start to the season hasn't been great but nor has it been horrendous. [Post edited 26 Oct 13:54]
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:00 - Oct 26 with 1999 views | ITFCSG |
IMO it’s not really the post-Prem hangover that has driven this lack of enthusiasm and “negativity” - it’s the (unfounded) expectation that with a squad of Championship all-stars and the highest spending club of very the summer we’d have pissed the league as plenty of people both here and on other social media have been saying all summer since relegation was confirmed.
Last season, even though we lost most of the games the vibe was still good as fans treated the Prem as a bonus, a fun ride, at times it seemed like a carnival atmosphere even. However more of the same this season, coupled with 1. the often slow, sideways and backwards tippy tappy 2. lack of scoring 3. generally boring performances have killed off much of the atmosphere after believing that it would be so much more “fun” back in the Championship.
PLUS one more point - speaking to some people at the match yesterday and elsewhere, the feel good factor of McK & Ashton & Co has greatly diminished due to the performances of the newly promoted clubs this season. After all the talk of the unassailable gap between the EFL and PL Sunderland, Leeds and even Burnley has shown us the opposite so far - and thus it’s now a feeling of a missed opportunity rather than something expected | | | |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:01 - Oct 26 with 1996 views | Dubtractor |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:54 - Oct 26 by SomethingBlue |
It's difficult isn't it. That was an unimaginable high in 2024. We will not see anything quite like it again, I'm pretty sure of that. For me that almost felt like the culmination of football & ITFC support: absolute perfection, with the realisation afterwards that it was probably a lifetime peak in terms of how it was done, how the entire town was afterwards, everything about it. Experiencing that from almost nowhere, you don't really know where to go next.
So I understand it's hard for people to pick themselves up a bit now. But we are still seeing football and prospects light years ahead of anything that has come our way for nearly 25 years. It is crucial to remember that. I don't really detect any anti-McKenna rhetoric (who on earth could ever be anti him?!) but the lethargy thing is a fair call. I hope a little run of wins will clear people's heads to go again – the start to the season hasn't been great but nor has it been horrendous. [Post edited 26 Oct 13:54]
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That last sentence nails it.
It has been a 6 out of 10 start to the season. Not good enough to put us where we want to be, but nothing to get too stressed about overall, though I think some of the upset after Tuesday was warranted in the moment. |  |
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:07 - Oct 26 with 1944 views | waveneyblue |
| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 13:04 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Think one of the issues arises from the words of those at the highest levels at town and how you manage the expectations of the fans.
Go back last summer. We spent more in 1 window that's over 40 years of town transfer totals ( something like that ) " we aren't here to make the up the numbers" " we will be bold but shark like with our transfers"
What transpired wasn't even close.
No direct issue with that. End of the day some things don't quite go to plan.
But that's why you need to be careful with your words in such a position Ashton holds. Agree or disagree. People will hang off those words and the expectation esp with beliefs we had the best manager in the game was that we'd give the prem a fight and apart from the opening id day couple months where we looked like we competing. We never really got anywhere and in the end we were pants.
So yeah we've come down and then struggled further.
We've lost all the lads the fans loved over the past few years and we'd lost 0-3 at home to charlton recently after the boro defeat.
It's not a shock there's a group of supporters not fully behind things.
That doesn't mean everything's bad and that's why I'm surprised KM commented on on the fans. He wasn't direct or anything but those fans have had a pretty tough time watching town the last 18 months after 2 years of parties. That's a massive change in match day emotions.
After charlton KM said he understood. Fast forward and he's commenting on it. So he doesn't quite understand as much as he says.
Anyways. We keep plugging in results the good times and the party atmospheres will return.
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Im guessing that McKenna agreed with the booing on Tues as we lost 3-0 at home, but the negativity at 0-0 and turning on players wasnt called for.
Doesn't take a genius to work that out.
I have zero idea what you do for a living, but I suspect its not in a corporate world, where over hyping and bigging yourself up is standard practice. Ashton isn't going to change anytime soon
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| Bit of a strange/negative vibe and lethargy in the Town fan base.. on 14:09 - Oct 26 with 1923 views | BloomBlue |
Last season we gained a lot of;
1, Glory hunter fans.
2, Fans who have been Town fans before you were born who because of other commitments last attended a Town home game 22 years ago, but suddenly those commitments have changed.
After big'ing it up to other fans about they support a PL team they had to save face and continue supporting the club this year. Their expectations were along the lines of minimum 3 or 4 nil win every game. They cannot accept in football just spend millions and by default you win. They would also go back to supporting teams like Liverpool, but they're also currently proving spending millions doesnt guarantee you win.
You can hear them.. told you.. buy a new No.9 and they would guarantee you 50 goals. They cannot accept footballers are human and will make mistakes. Probably less mistakes than they've made in their working lives, but that's allowed.
All that is manifesting itself in a negative way.
Just remember when we start winning constantly and top of the league, you wont find a single fan admitting they moaned... 'I wasn't one of those fans, I always knew it would take time' |  | | |
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