| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave 09:14 - Oct 29 with 3359 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
11 games played, 1 game in hand, 7 points off 3rd place. Team starting to develop nice partnerships across a much changed squad.
But, you know, if someone has actually found that shop that sells the moon on a stick, let me know where it is and I'll join your club. |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 11:49 - Oct 29 with 784 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
I definitely don't want to see him go, but I would feel less uncomfortable with it than if he had left at any of the previous opportunities, largely because I think the group of players is good enough to at the very least make the top six if we don't botch the replacement. I didn't feel that way in 23/24, and wanted to see McKenna have a crack at the PL last year, but this time we have better foundations in place if someone else did have to come in. |  | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 12:02 - Oct 29 with 752 views | brazil1981 |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 09:21 - Oct 29 by DarkBrandon |
I agree.
You'd think the history of this club would have taught people about how "lets get rid of this guy at and get someone else in" rarely improves things. |
To suppose it’s just a small minority who actually want KM out (a few keyboard warriors perhaps)!
However I wonder if the sense of entitlement a larger proportion of our support has - along with stick he’s been getting recently regarding squad rotation, team selection “Hirst is sh*t”, etc is starting to bug him? Think we saw evidence of this in him interview after Saturday’s match! Maybe he may think now is finally the time….must admit I’ve often worried that the Celtic job might be the one that tempts him! It would add the ‘pressure of a huge fan base’ to his C.V.! | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 12:03 - Oct 29 with 755 views | Guthrum |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 10:07 - Oct 29 by HighgateBlue |
Quite a decent metric for the performance of a manager is where they finish in the league table compared with what their budget is.
That's a fair way to judge McKenna, especially given that there is seemingly a supportive and happy camp in the upper echelons of the club structure, and given that he's been at the club a few years now. If he throws babies out with bathwater, that is his choice. This is not the start of his tenure, and expecting us to perform near to how we did last time round in the Championship is not unreasonable. To expect that is not to expect anything "instant" at all. Only 1 manager in the championship has been with his club longer, and only 6 in the whole EFL.
I appreciate I say where they "finish" in the league, and 11 games in is nowhere near the finish. He does not deserve to be judged yet, unless he voluntarily brings the curtain down himself. But there's no getting away from the fact that we've gone backwards in 18 months having spent an eye-watering quantity of money.
I don't think that Kieran is holding us back, certainly not. But for me if he were to leave today, his tenure would very much have been a game of two halves (Greavesie). The first half was a marvellous success, the second, a disappointment.
If he stays, he can still turn it round, and I very much hope he does. If he goes, a well-appointed successor would doubtless make some changes in the approach on the field, and I don't see why there wouldn't be a similar chance of succeeding. |
I wouldn't agree that we have gone backwards in the last 18 months. The Prem campaign was a pinnacle, albeit one where we struggled and the outcome was failure.
Yes, we spent a fair bit in the summer of 2024, but compared with the cumulative spending of every other team - including Leicester and Southampton, who had only spent a single season in the Champ - it was not much. Especially considering where we had come from and how fast. Not finishing a distant 20th was better than many pundits had predicted before the season started.
A couple of our biggest signings then went out of the door again this summer, Delap and Hutchinson. Unsurprisingly, they were not replaced with the same quality (Walle Egeli might turn out to be another Omari, but very raw at the moment).
This season only, we have been underperforming our budget to date. But there is a long way to go yet. There are signs the team is finding its feet (part of the second half against Charlton excepted). Town are three points outside the play-offs with a game in hand, plus decent GD, having played a decent selection of the table*, not that far behind.
* Compare with Coventry, who have played eight of the current bottom half and four of the top half. |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 12:26 - Oct 29 with 710 views | John_Warks_Willy |
It baffles me how anyone would think there is an upgrade out there, or thinks there is an upward trajectory with a straight line.
Either way, I hope the naysayers are a minority and limited to the usual names being very very noisy. |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 12:37 - Oct 29 with 686 views | bobbyramsey |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 10:59 - Oct 29 by JeremiahBrown |
Players come here because of McKenna. If he goes, so will his team of staff and possibly some of the players.
A new manager would mean that the players would have to learn a new system and could result in us joining Norwich at the bottom. |
So every club who sack their manager then faces a relegation scrap?
Hmmmm.... |  | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 12:44 - Oct 29 with 669 views | RIPbobby |
I don't think people do want him to go at all. I think what they are suggesting is it would be less painful right now than it would have been in the past. KM will take us back to the big money this season. Things are starting to move correctly for us and we seem to have found a formula earlier than we normally do. [Post edited 29 Oct 12:54]
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 12:53 - Oct 29 with 653 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Its madness. Look at where were when he came in.
Let's be honest we went up a year early, needed huge adjustment and to stay in the PL was always a big big ask. If we went up last year after a season to consolidate we probably would have been on a better footing and with Wolves and Wet Spam absolutely awful. Far worse than last year out chances would be much improved.
We have lost a couple of players we didn't expect esp Omari who really forced it through, it will take time to regroup.
Kmc has my full backing and will do even if we dont go up this year barring and alarming set of results. I think most agree they want him here
There are just some bored scum fans who are feeling a bit desperate given their current plight |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 13:16 - Oct 29 with 609 views | ITFC_Forever |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 09:52 - Oct 29 by Ftnfwest |
tbh if they had the money rangers would make more sense, barring administration they're as low as they can get atm and expectations equally low. For the last few years winning everything domestically is expected at celtic plus at least making a bit of a fist of it in europe every season. |
He’s from the “wrong” side of the sectarian nonsense to ever an option for Rangers. |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 14:08 - Oct 29 with 536 views | homer_123 |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 10:07 - Oct 29 by HighgateBlue |
Quite a decent metric for the performance of a manager is where they finish in the league table compared with what their budget is.
That's a fair way to judge McKenna, especially given that there is seemingly a supportive and happy camp in the upper echelons of the club structure, and given that he's been at the club a few years now. If he throws babies out with bathwater, that is his choice. This is not the start of his tenure, and expecting us to perform near to how we did last time round in the Championship is not unreasonable. To expect that is not to expect anything "instant" at all. Only 1 manager in the championship has been with his club longer, and only 6 in the whole EFL.
I appreciate I say where they "finish" in the league, and 11 games in is nowhere near the finish. He does not deserve to be judged yet, unless he voluntarily brings the curtain down himself. But there's no getting away from the fact that we've gone backwards in 18 months having spent an eye-watering quantity of money.
I don't think that Kieran is holding us back, certainly not. But for me if he were to leave today, his tenure would very much have been a game of two halves (Greavesie). The first half was a marvellous success, the second, a disappointment.
If he stays, he can still turn it round, and I very much hope he does. If he goes, a well-appointed successor would doubtless make some changes in the approach on the field, and I don't see why there wouldn't be a similar chance of succeeding. |
"Quite a decent metric for the performance of a manager is where they finish in the league table compared with what their budget is."
How do you account for injuries, suspensions etc? Do you weight for monetary value or number of signings, for example? What would you do to factor in those that left, either by design of choice? |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 16:23 - Oct 29 with 460 views | mellowblue |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 11:42 - Oct 29 by Whos_blue |
Respectfully disagree Frimmers.
I don't want to see any change here until the end of the season at the earliest.
If it's not working out by then Ashton and co will already have other irons in the fire.
Despite the thoughts of some on here, they generally have a.good hand on most things.
And to comment on the OP. Whilst very few have explicitly said they want KM to go, it's undeniable there is a developing undercurrent of doubt over KM.
Ridiculous in my opinion, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if I think it is wildly premature and painfully myopic.
We're teetering dangerously close to BCWYWF part 2.
Edit: I should also have said that after the recent jeering and sarcastic applauding I wouldn't blame KM for moving on.
Some of our fans don't deserve this amazing club. [Post edited 29 Oct 11:44]
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I don't think footballers and managers are that thin-skinned that a few boos and jeers would make them want to leave. Every club has it's potential boo boys. The boos were a lot less than what the Wrexham fans doled out last night and that was after a spirited second half display. | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 16:47 - Oct 29 with 429 views | darkhorse28 |
Context.
I don’t think anyone would or should want him to leave.
As a man who leveraged £220 million investment, and made himself one of the best paid managers in Europe.., to deliver our WORST EVER season, and based on resources, a really poor EFL start too.., how can anyone justify him staying?
Tell me what about wins you can count on ONE HAND in FIFTY odd games makes you think KM is worth that investment? .., because no promotion in the EFL could justify it.
He had to keep us up to justify the investment, and he didn’t even get close, woeful.
See the promoted teams this year for how good McKenna really is.
Talented EFL managers, and that’s what he’s turned out to be right now, don’t get £200 million to spend and a wage approaching that of Slot!!
Do you know what happens to clubs that ignore those fiscal rules???
They go out of business.
The amount of fans that don’t understand the consequences of those failures is truly petrifying.., like PSR and Monet don’t exist, and our legacy liabilities now will just vanish!!!!
We might be talking about how McKenna spending all last summer getting the most money for himself as a salary, and to spend on new player KILLED our club.
12 months from now, if we are where we are now - that’s the conversation:
So had he not got carried away with himself, yes, he’s a great young coach, who we should all 100% back on his journey for many years to come.
But that’s not what happened is it.
The failures weren’t part of a journey…, they came with eye watering price tags that will stop the club stone cold DEAD if we stay in this division.
WAKE UP
ASHTON SOLD THE CLUB DOWN THE RIVER | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 16:55 - Oct 29 with 414 views | Herbivore |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 16:47 - Oct 29 by darkhorse28 |
Context.
I don’t think anyone would or should want him to leave.
As a man who leveraged £220 million investment, and made himself one of the best paid managers in Europe.., to deliver our WORST EVER season, and based on resources, a really poor EFL start too.., how can anyone justify him staying?
Tell me what about wins you can count on ONE HAND in FIFTY odd games makes you think KM is worth that investment? .., because no promotion in the EFL could justify it.
He had to keep us up to justify the investment, and he didn’t even get close, woeful.
See the promoted teams this year for how good McKenna really is.
Talented EFL managers, and that’s what he’s turned out to be right now, don’t get £200 million to spend and a wage approaching that of Slot!!
Do you know what happens to clubs that ignore those fiscal rules???
They go out of business.
The amount of fans that don’t understand the consequences of those failures is truly petrifying.., like PSR and Monet don’t exist, and our legacy liabilities now will just vanish!!!!
We might be talking about how McKenna spending all last summer getting the most money for himself as a salary, and to spend on new player KILLED our club.
12 months from now, if we are where we are now - that’s the conversation:
So had he not got carried away with himself, yes, he’s a great young coach, who we should all 100% back on his journey for many years to come.
But that’s not what happened is it.
The failures weren’t part of a journey…, they came with eye watering price tags that will stop the club stone cold DEAD if we stay in this division.
WAKE UP
ASHTON SOLD THE CLUB DOWN THE RIVER |
So you're on the fence on this one? |  |
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| You’ve mellowed mate…. on 17:07 - Oct 29 with 386 views | Bloots |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 16:47 - Oct 29 by darkhorse28 |
Context.
I don’t think anyone would or should want him to leave.
As a man who leveraged £220 million investment, and made himself one of the best paid managers in Europe.., to deliver our WORST EVER season, and based on resources, a really poor EFL start too.., how can anyone justify him staying?
Tell me what about wins you can count on ONE HAND in FIFTY odd games makes you think KM is worth that investment? .., because no promotion in the EFL could justify it.
He had to keep us up to justify the investment, and he didn’t even get close, woeful.
See the promoted teams this year for how good McKenna really is.
Talented EFL managers, and that’s what he’s turned out to be right now, don’t get £200 million to spend and a wage approaching that of Slot!!
Do you know what happens to clubs that ignore those fiscal rules???
They go out of business.
The amount of fans that don’t understand the consequences of those failures is truly petrifying.., like PSR and Monet don’t exist, and our legacy liabilities now will just vanish!!!!
We might be talking about how McKenna spending all last summer getting the most money for himself as a salary, and to spend on new player KILLED our club.
12 months from now, if we are where we are now - that’s the conversation:
So had he not got carried away with himself, yes, he’s a great young coach, who we should all 100% back on his journey for many years to come.
But that’s not what happened is it.
The failures weren’t part of a journey…, they came with eye watering price tags that will stop the club stone cold DEAD if we stay in this division.
WAKE UP
ASHTON SOLD THE CLUB DOWN THE RIVER |
….there are a couple of points in there that aren’t entirely false.
Obviously the rest is hyperbolic balderdash, but well done.
Good effort. |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:12 - Oct 29 with 358 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I don't want to see him go at all but let's be honest it's been a rough start, if this was last year we would be looking at a very tough task for the top 2. We lost as many games in a few days than Burnley did in the entire season. Leeds were on 23 points I think after the same games last year. The eye test still worries me a bit. We are lucky that the league is all over the place this year.
We have spent ridiculous amounts of cash, the pressure is on.
All that said the league is bang average, outside of Cov no one is doing consistently well. So a good week leading up to the next international break and we can place ourselves in a very good position and hopefully with a more solid foundation. The talent is there. Nothing less than 6 points required for me, ideally 7-9 to put us right back in the mix with a game in hand. |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:39 - Oct 29 with 298 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:12 - Oct 29 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I don't want to see him go at all but let's be honest it's been a rough start, if this was last year we would be looking at a very tough task for the top 2. We lost as many games in a few days than Burnley did in the entire season. Leeds were on 23 points I think after the same games last year. The eye test still worries me a bit. We are lucky that the league is all over the place this year.
We have spent ridiculous amounts of cash, the pressure is on.
All that said the league is bang average, outside of Cov no one is doing consistently well. So a good week leading up to the next international break and we can place ourselves in a very good position and hopefully with a more solid foundation. The talent is there. Nothing less than 6 points required for me, ideally 7-9 to put us right back in the mix with a game in hand. |
The home game (Watford) is the hardest of the lot I reckon. They'll end up mid-table because they're inconsistent so hopefully we play them on a day when their (decent) individual front players don't click. | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:41 - Oct 29 with 298 views | billabasblue |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 16:47 - Oct 29 by darkhorse28 |
Context.
I don’t think anyone would or should want him to leave.
As a man who leveraged £220 million investment, and made himself one of the best paid managers in Europe.., to deliver our WORST EVER season, and based on resources, a really poor EFL start too.., how can anyone justify him staying?
Tell me what about wins you can count on ONE HAND in FIFTY odd games makes you think KM is worth that investment? .., because no promotion in the EFL could justify it.
He had to keep us up to justify the investment, and he didn’t even get close, woeful.
See the promoted teams this year for how good McKenna really is.
Talented EFL managers, and that’s what he’s turned out to be right now, don’t get £200 million to spend and a wage approaching that of Slot!!
Do you know what happens to clubs that ignore those fiscal rules???
They go out of business.
The amount of fans that don’t understand the consequences of those failures is truly petrifying.., like PSR and Monet don’t exist, and our legacy liabilities now will just vanish!!!!
We might be talking about how McKenna spending all last summer getting the most money for himself as a salary, and to spend on new player KILLED our club.
12 months from now, if we are where we are now - that’s the conversation:
So had he not got carried away with himself, yes, he’s a great young coach, who we should all 100% back on his journey for many years to come.
But that’s not what happened is it.
The failures weren’t part of a journey…, they came with eye watering price tags that will stop the club stone cold DEAD if we stay in this division.
WAKE UP
ASHTON SOLD THE CLUB DOWN THE RIVER |
Blimey I’m getting pelters for suggesting he may prefer to leave and that I am indifferent to whether he stays or goes , you must be getting all kinds of dogs abuse for these views which seem pretty radical | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:41 - Oct 29 with 291 views | backwaywhen |
Take no notice , probably newbies and trolls and of course the uneducated, anyone with half a football brain and a club loyalty can see it’s not all doom and gloom …..I for one will be very dissatisfied if we slip back into the Lambert ans Mick Mac days if he is hounded out .
We have had the sweet smell of success and KM will bring it back .
Keep the faith . | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:44 - Oct 29 with 286 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:39 - Oct 29 by PrideOfTheEast |
The home game (Watford) is the hardest of the lot I reckon. They'll end up mid-table because they're inconsistent so hopefully we play them on a day when their (decent) individual front players don't click. |
Yep, Saturday is never an easy place to play either, such a tight ground.
I think it's a pretty huge week in our season, can really propel ourselves into the mix and I bet results are all over the place. | |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:49 - Oct 29 with 272 views | Paramedic |
Always going to be entitled idiots these days I’m afraid. |  |
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| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:54 - Oct 29 with 249 views | MattinLondon |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 16:47 - Oct 29 by darkhorse28 |
Context.
I don’t think anyone would or should want him to leave.
As a man who leveraged £220 million investment, and made himself one of the best paid managers in Europe.., to deliver our WORST EVER season, and based on resources, a really poor EFL start too.., how can anyone justify him staying?
Tell me what about wins you can count on ONE HAND in FIFTY odd games makes you think KM is worth that investment? .., because no promotion in the EFL could justify it.
He had to keep us up to justify the investment, and he didn’t even get close, woeful.
See the promoted teams this year for how good McKenna really is.
Talented EFL managers, and that’s what he’s turned out to be right now, don’t get £200 million to spend and a wage approaching that of Slot!!
Do you know what happens to clubs that ignore those fiscal rules???
They go out of business.
The amount of fans that don’t understand the consequences of those failures is truly petrifying.., like PSR and Monet don’t exist, and our legacy liabilities now will just vanish!!!!
We might be talking about how McKenna spending all last summer getting the most money for himself as a salary, and to spend on new player KILLED our club.
12 months from now, if we are where we are now - that’s the conversation:
So had he not got carried away with himself, yes, he’s a great young coach, who we should all 100% back on his journey for many years to come.
But that’s not what happened is it.
The failures weren’t part of a journey…, they came with eye watering price tags that will stop the club stone cold DEAD if we stay in this division.
WAKE UP
ASHTON SOLD THE CLUB DOWN THE RIVER |
The judges marks are in.
3
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16/40. |  | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 07:42 - Oct 30 with 117 views | Blue_In_Boston |
I don't want him to leave, but equally I am not in the camp that he can do no wrong either.
On the positive side he has brought us together with successive promotions and new found hope.
On the negative side, considering that he has been financially backed more than any other manager in our history, there are questions to be asked.
The test of a truly great manager isn't about riding the wave of success, it is about how they deal with adversity and get the team back on the right track. | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 08:50 - Oct 30 with 89 views | ClareBlue |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 09:52 - Oct 29 by Ftnfwest |
tbh if they had the money rangers would make more sense, barring administration they're as low as they can get atm and expectations equally low. For the last few years winning everything domestically is expected at celtic plus at least making a bit of a fist of it in europe every season. |
Rangers will never make sense for him or him for their fan base. He played Galic Games as a kid and knows first hand about sectarian hatred. Not a chance and they can afford him anyway. | | | |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 08:56 - Oct 30 with 64 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I'm genuinely shocked at the amount of people who seem to want KMc to leave on 17:54 - Oct 29 by MattinLondon |
The judges marks are in.
3
4
4
5.
16/40. |
People may mock, but I’m staggered by the accusation that Monet did’t exist. I wonder what’s given him that impression. |  |
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