| Labour's Asylum Crack Down 18:10 - Nov 17 with 2401 views | TNBlue |
Disastrous move for them. Will tear the party right down the middle. |  | | |  |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 18:24 - Nov 17 with 1723 views | Zx1988 |
It's an absolute capitulation to Reform. It's not immigration that's tearing the country apart, it's unchecked and unchallenged right wing, borderline-fascist rhetoric.
What I find most horrific is the idea that refugees could be sent back at any time during the 20-year qualification period, should it be deemed that their country of origin is 'safe' again. Why should someone who makes it here, and is accepted as a refugee, spend twenty years fearing a knock on the door and being told to go back home? | |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 18:32 - Nov 17 with 1693 views | TNBlue |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 18:24 - Nov 17 by Zx1988 |
It's an absolute capitulation to Reform. It's not immigration that's tearing the country apart, it's unchecked and unchallenged right wing, borderline-fascist rhetoric.
What I find most horrific is the idea that refugees could be sent back at any time during the 20-year qualification period, should it be deemed that their country of origin is 'safe' again. Why should someone who makes it here, and is accepted as a refugee, spend twenty years fearing a knock on the door and being told to go back home? |
Its Windrush 2. Besides, none of these proposals would even get off the ground, beset by legal challenges. The Tories couldn't even send a few people to Rwanda. | | | |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 18:35 - Nov 17 with 1656 views | Steve_M |
It's incredible how little attention they seem to have paid to seeing the Tory party tear itself a apart trying to outflank Reform to repeat the same pointless performative cruelty.
It's indefensible on so many levels. |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 18:53 - Nov 17 with 1598 views | Mullet |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 18:24 - Nov 17 by Zx1988 |
It's an absolute capitulation to Reform. It's not immigration that's tearing the country apart, it's unchecked and unchallenged right wing, borderline-fascist rhetoric.
What I find most horrific is the idea that refugees could be sent back at any time during the 20-year qualification period, should it be deemed that their country of origin is 'safe' again. Why should someone who makes it here, and is accepted as a refugee, spend twenty years fearing a knock on the door and being told to go back home? |
The problem is whether that is likely to be acted upon isn’t it? The reality is this think not, but should the far right get in, you can see how it will. |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 19:08 - Nov 17 with 1521 views | J2BLUE |
Some of it makes sense.
If they follow through with creating new official routes into the UK and speeding up appeals that is genuine progress.
The third country 'return hubs' and 20 years before permanent status bits are at best morally questionable. 20 years is a quarter of the average lifespan. That is a long time to live with uncertainty. I think we can do better than that. |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 19:24 - Nov 17 with 1458 views | Pinewoodblue |
They keep talking about refugees. To my mind an asylum seeker is a person who has left their home country and is in another country seeking protection, but whose claim has not yet been legally decided. A refugee is someone who has been legally recognized as needing protection and has been granted asylum. The key difference is the legal status: asylum seekers are awaiting a decision, while refugees have already been granted that status.
We don’t have a refugee problem and imposing restrictions on those with Refugee status is not the solution. For example I would be agains automatically returning all Ukrainians once the conflict ends. Those who want to remain should be allowed to.
The problem is the time it takes to decide if an asylum seeker should be allowed to stay and the high costs involved in waiting for due process. |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 19:57 - Nov 17 with 1363 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 19:24 - Nov 17 by Pinewoodblue |
They keep talking about refugees. To my mind an asylum seeker is a person who has left their home country and is in another country seeking protection, but whose claim has not yet been legally decided. A refugee is someone who has been legally recognized as needing protection and has been granted asylum. The key difference is the legal status: asylum seekers are awaiting a decision, while refugees have already been granted that status.
We don’t have a refugee problem and imposing restrictions on those with Refugee status is not the solution. For example I would be agains automatically returning all Ukrainians once the conflict ends. Those who want to remain should be allowed to.
The problem is the time it takes to decide if an asylum seeker should be allowed to stay and the high costs involved in waiting for due process. |
That's pretty much spot on. Although I prefer the term 'person seeking asylum’ over ‘asylum seeker’, because it focuses on a person’s humanity rather than their status. Just like 'illegal immigrant' dehumanises the person. People are not illegal. |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 20:35 - Nov 17 with 1239 views | GlasgowBlue |
That said, Corbyn got endorsements from David Duke and Nick Griffin. But like Yaxley Lennon, these are political chancers jumping on a bandwagon to justify their prejudice rather than genuine support for the policies.
But you are correct. When you park your tanks on Reform's lawns you are bound to get endorsement from their foot soldiers. [Post edited 17 Nov 20:42]
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 20:37 - Nov 17 with 1231 views | bartyg |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 18:53 - Nov 17 by Mullet |
The problem is whether that is likely to be acted upon isn’t it? The reality is this think not, but should the far right get in, you can see how it will. |
Sorry but this is a bit ridiculous- Labour are literally standing up in the commons announcing this and it's actually a 3D chess policy they won't enforce? |  | | |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 20:50 - Nov 17 with 1175 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 20:37 - Nov 17 by bartyg |
Sorry but this is a bit ridiculous- Labour are literally standing up in the commons announcing this and it's actually a 3D chess policy they won't enforce? |
I have to agree. If they announce this in the commons and don't go forward with it they are electoral toast. | |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:10 - Nov 17 with 1107 views | Kievthegreat |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 20:50 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
I have to agree. If they announce this in the commons and don't go forward with it they are electoral toast. |
I think they implement it now. they've crossed the rubicon. I wonder how hard they'll whip the party. I don't see enough rebels to derail it given their majority, but I think they could have enough for a bloody nose. |  | | |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:11 - Nov 17 with 1103 views | DJR |
Leaving aside the question of whether it will actually stop any boat, this response from Liz Saville Roberts summed it up for me.
"With this announcement, Labour is bowing to the populist right, enabling Nigel Farage’s agenda by trading principles for lazy soundbites. Their proposals will punish people who have already endured unimaginable hardship. To confiscate personal belongings and leave families in bureaucratic limbo for up to 20 years is neither necessary nor just …
Clear rules and controls are necessary. But rules without humanity corrode trust and fuel division. The measure of a civilised country is not how many people it turns away, but how it treats the most vulnerable.
Plaid Cymru will reject performative cruelty. We stand for decency, fairness, and compassion. That is vital if we are to keep communities safe, maintain trust in systems, and uphold our values." |  | | |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:24 - Nov 17 with 1047 views | DJR |
Where will it stop?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/17/shabana-mahmood-puts-the-signs-
Shabana Mahmood puts the signs up: Britain is full. No blacks, no dogs, no Irish
We had always given sanctuary to those who needed it, she said, only now we would kick them out as soon as possible
Shabana Mahmood was in a determined frame of mind. It was time to get serious. No more Mr Nice Guy stuff when dealing with illegal immigrants. Not that there was anything like a legal immigrant as far as she was concerned. The only good migrant was a deported migrant. She laced up her Dr Martens. It was Kicking A Door In o’clock. Starting with her own.
Shabana Mahmood had been dozing in bed when Shabana Mahmood had burst into her room and pulled back the duvet. Shabana forced her eyes open, trying to make sense of this unexpected intrusion. She reached for her phone. Where was her security detail? Surely this must be a mistake.
“Right,” said Shabana. “Get yourself dressed in this orange jump-suit. And don’t mess about. You’re due at the processing centre within the hour. You’ll be on a plane home by the end of the day. If you can call where you’re going home.”
“But I am home,” said Shabana. “I was born here.”
“What’s that got to do with anything? That was then, this is now. People like you have been taking advantage of the system for years. So there are going to be some changes round here. I know we said the deportations wouldn’t be retrospective and we’d make you wait 20 years before you became British but that was because we were being too soft. We’re now going to increase that to 50 years. With surprise assessments every few weeks. And you’ve just missed your 5am one. Which means you are in breach of your visa regulations.”
“I need to call Keir Starmer,” Shabana sobbed. “He will vouch for me. There must have been some mistake.”
“No mistake,” Shabana snarled. “And don’t go bleating to Keir. He’s the one who signed off on all this.
“Can’t you just give me a few more days? Why don’t you go and deport David Lammy first? I can give you his address.”
“Nice try. But we’ve beaten you to it. There’s an ICE squad already on its way round to the justice secretary. This government is committed to fairness and equality. There will be no special cases or exemptions.”
“I am British,” Shabana cried, becoming ever more desperate. “I’ve got a British passport. I’ll get it for you.”
Shabana laughed. “I think you’ll find that you had a British passport. Oh, look. It expired at midnight last night. How sad. We can’t have you hanging around here when the country your parents emigrated from is perfectly safe. The thing is, we’ve decided you’ve overstayed your welcome. So off you go.”
“This can’t be right. I couldn’t be more British if I tried. I’ve integrated so well I’ve even become home secretary. I’m a Labour politician whom Reform are happy to call one of their own. I have a couple of Union Jacks to drape myself in when I appear on GB News. I’ll even sign something to say I hate immigrants.”
“Not good enough, I’m afraid,” said Shabana. “The thing is you still look foreign. So pack up your things. On second thoughts, don’t bother. Because we’re going to take all your possessions anyway. Everything from your phone, your jewellery to your house. Just so no one comes over here with the idea that they can come over here, contribute and make a life for themselves.” [Post edited 17 Nov 21:29]
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:34 - Nov 17 with 1018 views | MattinLondon |
Won’t this simply appeal to people who Starmer wants to vote for Labour but won’t under any circumstances actually vote for Labour? |  | | |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:38 - Nov 17 with 995 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:34 - Nov 17 by MattinLondon |
Won’t this simply appeal to people who Starmer wants to vote for Labour but won’t under any circumstances actually vote for Labour? |
The Red wall is made up of votes that went Tory and Reform who were previously Labour voters. | |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:48 - Nov 17 with 960 views | DJR |
This from the SNP spokesman.
In its manifesto, Labour promised to defend migrants’ rights and build an immigration system based on compassion and dignity. Instead, we have a policy that is welcomed by Reform UK and has even found favour with Tommy Robinson. Throwing refugees into destitution, denying any meaningful route to citizenship and forcible evictions—where exactly is the compassion and dignity in that? | | | |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:52 - Nov 17 with 938 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 21:48 - Nov 17 by DJR |
This from the SNP spokesman.
In its manifesto, Labour promised to defend migrants’ rights and build an immigration system based on compassion and dignity. Instead, we have a policy that is welcomed by Reform UK and has even found favour with Tommy Robinson. Throwing refugees into destitution, denying any meaningful route to citizenship and forcible evictions—where exactly is the compassion and dignity in that? |
An open goal for SNP and to a lesser extent Plaid here in Wales. If Labour deliberately set out to sabotage themselves they couldn’t do a better job. |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:10 - Nov 18 with 544 views | Churchman |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 20:50 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
I have to agree. If they announce this in the commons and don't go forward with it they are electoral toast. |
They won’t go forward with any of it. It’s just talk to try and deflect Reform. The can will be kicked down the road in the hope this and Reform implode and go away. After all, they’re just a protest party.
The problem for Labour is that I don’t think it will. There is a real or perceived problem and that’s where your point has validity. |  | | |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:15 - Nov 18 with 532 views | Herbivore |
Every day I am thankful that I didn't bring myself to vote for this absolute shower of shit of a government. I knew they had no real vision or principles and that they weren't really offering an alternative but were instead pivoting to the same right of centre ground as their electoral rivals, but they've surprised even me with their moral depravity. |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:19 - Nov 18 with 517 views | Zx1988 |
Lord Dubs spoke very well on this on R4 this morning.
Some of the language in the proposals is absolutely sickening; straight out of the Reform playbook. The faux concern for children is disgusting and absolutely paper thin, given the Government's lack of response concerning what may happen to children of immigrants later born in the UK. | |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:20 - Nov 18 with 516 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:15 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
Every day I am thankful that I didn't bring myself to vote for this absolute shower of shit of a government. I knew they had no real vision or principles and that they weren't really offering an alternative but were instead pivoting to the same right of centre ground as their electoral rivals, but they've surprised even me with their moral depravity. |
When Reform MP's can destroy you like this you know you've done a wrongun.
"Reform MP invites Mahmood to join his party, saying he ‘welcomes’ and ‘recognises’ her rhetoric".
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:25 - Nov 18 with 494 views | Herbivore |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:20 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
When Reform MP's can destroy you like this you know you've done a wrongun.
"Reform MP invites Mahmood to join his party, saying he ‘welcomes’ and ‘recognises’ her rhetoric".
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Regardless of whether they end up having electoral success in 2029, Reform have already won. They've been allowed to set and dominate the political agenda and the mainstream parties have been totally incapable of challenging them. Gutless politics, particularly from Labour. Think this will lose them voters for a generation, much like the Lib Dems in 2010 when they climbed into bed with the Tories. It took them 14 years and a complete Tory collapse for them to recover as a party. | |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:44 - Nov 18 with 439 views | itfcjoe |
Everything that Labour needs to do will tear the party down the middle, so they just need to get on with it |  |
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| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:46 - Nov 18 with 423 views | Churchman |
| Labour's Asylum Crack Down on 08:15 - Nov 18 by Herbivore |
Every day I am thankful that I didn't bring myself to vote for this absolute shower of shit of a government. I knew they had no real vision or principles and that they weren't really offering an alternative but were instead pivoting to the same right of centre ground as their electoral rivals, but they've surprised even me with their moral depravity. |
I think the one overriding memory of working one or two removed from politicians, but too close for comfort, was that they have no moral compass at all.
Those that go into it to give something to society and represent their constituents never get anywhere. Far too much of a threat. | | | |
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