| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? 11:10 - Dec 21 with 1165 views | jasondozzell |
KM and team quietly making progress. We were always going to finish top 6 but I'm now very optimistic about top two. I think we will win the league.
But do we deserve to go up again? When KM came in our support deserved every moment after years of misery and after backing the team through thick and thin. A few idiots aside (Bristol Rovers away etc) the support was excellent and it was always about enjoying the team's success.
But ever since the success came back that's gone in many ways. A lot of 'fans' now who seen to see Town as a 'plaything' - something to discard at the first moment it's not doing what you want it to do. A lot of individualism where 'support' is all about me having a good time and generally behaving like a berk and not really about the team's success at all. The kind of supporter who spends all the game more interested in the opposition fans and posturing and doesn't watch the game at all. Or who loves giving it large on social media when everything is great but really it's still all about them and not the team. Dare I say it the kind who says 'the tifo spoilt my view for 30 seconds'.
The treatment of the team and some players this season along with the entitlement has been horrible to see. Same mob who wrote off Philogene and Clarke unable to see the irony of their disgraceful treatment of MacAteer.
As Sitters said, it was poor to see thousands flocking for the exit yesterday ahead of the end. I know some people have to get off and can't help it but the majority of that was the 'i want to get home and not be delayed' crowd. Individualism again. Staying to clap the players and staff after winning 3-1 at home before Xmas isn't asking much is it.
And it's becoming farcical in games when we go berserk over playing out from the back. The ENTIRE KM period of success has been built on this!!!!!!!! It's brave football. Same crowd then gets excited when surprise surprise we break their press doing it and find the spare man. Grown men where I sit who turned up once the team started doing well screaming at Walton is so bloody annoying.
Do we deserve to go up? A part of me thinks we really don't. [Post edited 21 Dec 12:54]
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:15 - Dec 21 with 964 views | SomethingBlue |
It does feel as if people design an advance idea in their head of how everything simply *has* to pan out and then, when reality deviates even slightly, the disappointment is impossible to bear. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:25 - Dec 21 with 910 views | bazza |
It’s not necessarily playing out from the back, it’s playing out From the back poorly .. fans react to what’s happening on the pitch at every club across the country, and when the build up play is exceptionally slow, and the passes are short or we squander chances and pass the ball until We Lose possession it’s frustrating, it costs a lot of money being a football fan, And I’d say out of most clubs we have a very patient fan base , it was a relegated very poor Wednesday team, who at one point looked like they might nick a draw. I do agree with you that we could Win this league, but with a few solid additions in January. |  | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:31 - Dec 21 with 886 views | FrimleyBlue |
So far weve had
Where is everyone when we win
Who's moaning at philogene now
And now weve got do fans deserve promotion
You see how you and some others dont like anti positive posts after negative results
What are these sort of posts? You can't moan at someone posting an anti positive thread so lets creat an anti fan thread instead.
Do 95% of supporters deserve promotion. Yes
Do 5% that go to games get pssed. Moan or shout to look good amongst there mates no. But thats the same 5% found at any stadium.
For all the posts asking people not to moan online about players. Whats the constant weekly need to post about the fans.
These posts imo are as bad as the anti mcateer posts or the anti km posts.
So many people left on a cold December day with christmas coming up. Work parties. Fake Xmas events planned etc.
You look around champ games on tv the grounds are empty. PR isn't.
So do those 28000 people what ever it is deserve promotion yes. Because they have funded the side put together to go for promotion. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:41 - Dec 21 with 826 views | waveneyblue |
Couldnt agree more, and as for Frimmers guff, I honestly hope he enjoyed Harry Potter world. A fantasy story about wizzards and spells probably suits the inner workings of his mind better than supporting a football team.
Sadly he wont see this as im blocked. |  | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:48 - Dec 21 with 790 views | lazyblue |
Found it bizarre how many people seemed to get before 90mins AND then even more bizarre with 9 mins injury a mass exodus came . At 9 mins I thought great time for another goal. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:49 - Dec 21 with 779 views | MK1 |
Yes we/they do. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:54 - Dec 21 with 723 views | GlasgowBlue |
After what we saw most weeks last season, damn right they deserve it. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:54 - Dec 21 with 723 views | stonojnr |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:25 - Dec 21 by bazza |
It’s not necessarily playing out from the back, it’s playing out From the back poorly .. fans react to what’s happening on the pitch at every club across the country, and when the build up play is exceptionally slow, and the passes are short or we squander chances and pass the ball until We Lose possession it’s frustrating, it costs a lot of money being a football fan, And I’d say out of most clubs we have a very patient fan base , it was a relegated very poor Wednesday team, who at one point looked like they might nick a draw. I do agree with you that we could Win this league, but with a few solid additions in January. |
not convinced about that, there still seem some fans who despite watching us play this way for 4 years now, are all a quiver when the ball remotely spends more than a second or two in our penalty area being passed around, its all AWAY!!!! ATTACK!!! QUICKER FORWARD!!!
and fwiw whilst Wednesday arent a great team, but would they really be down where they are if it werent for all the points deductions ? they worked hard, they were quick and pushing on the ball for moments in the game, if they could sustain some of those moments for longer, build a bit more sustained pressure, theyd easily beat some of the teams in the league, and the championship is the classic style of just string a few results together and you quickly move around the table. | | | |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:54 - Dec 21 with 722 views | cbower |
Agree with much of that. Don't think we will win the league mind you.
Can I suggest you amend your title and add in the word 'some' - the majority of Town fans were there through the bad times too. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:07 - Dec 21 with 663 views | J2BLUE |
Every fanbase in football gets entitled and arrogant with a bit of success. We've just become (collectively) like Derby and Leeds. Teams we used to mock. Even Coventry fans went in this direction after about 15 games.
I think on the way up when everything is going well it's an echo chamber where eventually people start believing the hype. Like the people saying Town would easily finish top half in the Prem. Disconnected from reality
Then after having the extended sugar rush of back to back promotions we got a reality check in the Prem and people decided we were entitled to go straight back up. With our manager and squad we should go straight back up but it was never going to be as easy as people were saying it would be. We then get the first few impatient fans turning after a few games. Now we have a negative echo chamber. Sometimes it's like people are going over everything to ridiculous degrees to find tiny things to moan about.
So do the fans deserve promotion? Yes. Hopefully some will have the self awareness to look back and ask themselves if they were fair and rational but there are lots of others quietly supporting, following Town around the country investing lots of time and money. There are others who understand there are 23 other teams battling for their own ambitions and we're not going to steamroll teams by 4-5 each week.
This is my only concern with the 40k capacity aim. Where is that 10k going to come from? If we aren't successful those seats will be empty. If we are, they will be at least partly filled with plastics who are not paying to turn up and support Town, they are paying to take a share of the glory.
If we go up I won't be calling anyone out. I will be pleased for the likes of Sitters, Rommers and Texters. Pleased for the older supporters who had had their STs since 1970 and sat through the Evans era wondering if this club would ever rise again. And pleased for me for being able to see what I genuinely believe is very obvious. That over 46 games there are not two other teams in this division who can stand against us. Go and watch a few horse races over two miles long and come back and let us know how many times the winner was in the first 2-3 after a mile |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:17 - Dec 21 with 620 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:31 - Dec 21 by FrimleyBlue |
So far weve had
Where is everyone when we win
Who's moaning at philogene now
And now weve got do fans deserve promotion
You see how you and some others dont like anti positive posts after negative results
What are these sort of posts? You can't moan at someone posting an anti positive thread so lets creat an anti fan thread instead.
Do 95% of supporters deserve promotion. Yes
Do 5% that go to games get pssed. Moan or shout to look good amongst there mates no. But thats the same 5% found at any stadium.
For all the posts asking people not to moan online about players. Whats the constant weekly need to post about the fans.
These posts imo are as bad as the anti mcateer posts or the anti km posts.
So many people left on a cold December day with christmas coming up. Work parties. Fake Xmas events planned etc.
You look around champ games on tv the grounds are empty. PR isn't.
So do those 28000 people what ever it is deserve promotion yes. Because they have funded the side put together to go for promotion. |
There is so much that is wrong about this post.
Expecting promotion is entitlement.
The negative posts after a poor result that I and many object to are not the ones where people express reasonable frustration and disappointment with the team and manager. It's the terrible rhetoric where people post that :
- XYZ is a donkey
- the manager is a fraud
- no one in the club cares
Now the odd comment like this in the heat of the moment is the emotion of the game, and will often be tempered in the cold light of day, but there are many on this forum - and at the game - who constantly repeat the same comments. Many that are often getting quite personal.
This sh1thousery deserves to be called out. Extremes beget extremes unfortunately, and we're seeing more and more of that.
And to try to equate people calling out this constant extreme negativity from a section of our fans, much of which would be considered bullying in the workplace, is completely off piste imo. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:25 - Dec 21 with 575 views | hammo56 |
I don’t know about if the fans deserve it but I certainly fear what might happen if this team managed to go up. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:29 - Dec 21 with 544 views | SomethingBlue |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:25 - Dec 21 by hammo56 |
I don’t know about if the fans deserve it but I certainly fear what might happen if this team managed to go up. |
I don't, I'd love living in the moment celebrating another massively successful season for Ipswich Town, Ipswich, Suffolk and our club's wider community because if we couldn't do that then what on earth is the point. [Post edited 21 Dec 12:30]
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:31 - Dec 21 with 516 views | reusersfreekicks |
Probably some valid points there but your relentless holier than thou posting is irritating
A lot of teams have much more fickle support.
Banging on about the actions of a minority serves little purpose.
It's like having official itfc board police at work |  | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:43 - Dec 21 with 447 views | Rimsy |
Don't know about deserve it, I'm dreading it to be honest. This group of players are going to have an even harder time than the old team. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:46 - Dec 21 with 429 views | Scuzzer |
Nothing is deserved by fans...it's all down to the team on the pitch. |  |
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| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:52 - Dec 21 with 381 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:31 - Dec 21 by FrimleyBlue |
So far weve had
Where is everyone when we win
Who's moaning at philogene now
And now weve got do fans deserve promotion
You see how you and some others dont like anti positive posts after negative results
What are these sort of posts? You can't moan at someone posting an anti positive thread so lets creat an anti fan thread instead.
Do 95% of supporters deserve promotion. Yes
Do 5% that go to games get pssed. Moan or shout to look good amongst there mates no. But thats the same 5% found at any stadium.
For all the posts asking people not to moan online about players. Whats the constant weekly need to post about the fans.
These posts imo are as bad as the anti mcateer posts or the anti km posts.
So many people left on a cold December day with christmas coming up. Work parties. Fake Xmas events planned etc.
You look around champ games on tv the grounds are empty. PR isn't.
So do those 28000 people what ever it is deserve promotion yes. Because they have funded the side put together to go for promotion. |
Trying to imagine putting getting to the work office party early over watching Town win...😬😅😅😅
Each to their own but I would rather sit through a Mick 0-0 at the end than office Xmas parties... | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:53 - Dec 21 with 379 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:54 - Dec 21 by GlasgowBlue |
After what we saw most weeks last season, damn right they deserve it. |
It really wasn't that bad. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:53 - Dec 21 with 376 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 11:54 - Dec 21 by cbower |
Agree with much of that. Don't think we will win the league mind you.
Can I suggest you amend your title and add in the word 'some' - the majority of Town fans were there through the bad times too. |
Fair point. Amended! | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:53 - Dec 21 with 375 views | OldFart71 |
I think we forget that there are several teams in the Championship that believe they can get promotion. As with all leagues there are the also rans. The one's struggling and the mid table lot. But nonetheless still capable of putting one over the better teams if their standards drop.
Fans have always been fickle. You get the one's that turn up even when a team is bottom of the league regardless. Then you have the floaters, some of whom even support other teams and will come and go depending on how well a team performs.
It's not really whether fans deserve promotion, it's the team. Obviously you don't always get what you deserve. I always have this problem with a third placed team where they could be many points in hand and lose out to the sixth place team. Yes, we all know that's how it goes and what will happen for those not automatically promoted but I still believe it to be very unfair. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:55 - Dec 21 with 370 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:25 - Dec 21 by hammo56 |
I don’t know about if the fans deserve it but I certainly fear what might happen if this team managed to go up. |
Cmon!
Laughing out loud at the idea of someone saying this during the dark years.
'PLEASE don't finish above 15th because I fear the consequences!' | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:00 - Dec 21 with 337 views | goperryrevs |
I live in the Midlands, so most games I go to, home or away, involve a few hours of travel. I find the leaving before the end thing so bizarre, especially for those that live close by and aren't exactly traveling far. Last minute goals are one of the best things about football, and, yeah, clapping the players at the end is always a nice part of it too. I guess because I usually know I'm going to be sat in the car / train for a long time anyway, the idea of trying to save that extra ten minutes travel time is pointless. I know some people will sometimes have a good reason for leaving early, but I hate seeing that mass exodus before the end at games. | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:15 - Dec 21 with 277 views | jasondozzell |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:00 - Dec 21 by goperryrevs |
I live in the Midlands, so most games I go to, home or away, involve a few hours of travel. I find the leaving before the end thing so bizarre, especially for those that live close by and aren't exactly traveling far. Last minute goals are one of the best things about football, and, yeah, clapping the players at the end is always a nice part of it too. I guess because I usually know I'm going to be sat in the car / train for a long time anyway, the idea of trying to save that extra ten minutes travel time is pointless. I know some people will sometimes have a good reason for leaving early, but I hate seeing that mass exodus before the end at games. |
Completely agree and hats off for travelling. 👍 | | | |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:17 - Dec 21 with 262 views | hammo56 |
| Do our fans deserve to go up this season? on 12:55 - Dec 21 by jasondozzell |
Cmon!
Laughing out loud at the idea of someone saying this during the dark years.
'PLEASE don't finish above 15th because I fear the consequences!' |
So you really think that this current team could be competitive in the Prem? Each to their own I guess. | | | |
| Do (some of) our fans deserve to go up this season? on 13:17 - Dec 21 with 259 views | NthQldITFC |
I agree that some of our support are non-supporting morons, but I think that's representative of the state of society nowadays. It's certainly not unique to ITFC or to footballer supporters, and is largely driven by brains and psyches made flaccid social media and late stage capitalism/consumerism.
The contrast might be higher for us because of the largely fantastic support from the relegation season under Lambert right through most of last season. But the tide has turned and it shows up worse for us against the great support of our recent history. |  |
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