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I'd really like someone with more tactical and footballing knowledge than I to explain Dara O'Shea to me please. 500 more passes than anyone else in our team, most blocks, most attempted long passes, but yet still seems to give the ball away more than any other player. It was like watching walking football at times today, back and forth, and then a long pass over the top to turn over possession. What am I missing here?
Because he makes a bad pass every now and again just like every other player.
What he doesnt get is appreciation that hes being asked to look for various different passing options throughout the game. Long. Short. Some easy. Some extremely difficult. Some come off some dont.
You just said it , he makes more passes than anyone else plus every player in the team will make bad passes every match. He is having a very good season yet you try to find negative.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 19:17 - Jan 1 with 2415 views
I am not his biggest fan and he made a couple of ricks today.
But the team shape and system clearly requires the working of the ball left and right, through established patterns, drawing the press, drawing pponents out of position to make space etc
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 19:24 - Jan 1 with 2320 views
He is superb at long range passes, incredible even at times, yet seems to struggle passing a few yards.
Additionally along with many others he misses opportunities to put our attackers making runs through but then picks some bizarre moments to float it forward. Like I say though, when he gets it right there are some incredible long range passes.
He has generally been superb though. For all that it would be great to have Burgess and Wolfy involved, Dara and Kipre are clear upgrades.
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 19:11 - Jan 1 by FrimleyBlue
Because he makes a bad pass every now and again just like every other player.
What he doesnt get is appreciation that hes being asked to look for various different passing options throughout the game. Long. Short. Some easy. Some extremely difficult. Some come off some dont.
In fairness, a 25 4 yard passes each match to Kipré doesn't make him Glenn Hoddle. It's pedestrian football at times, and it detracts from any sort of pace and urgency we have.
I've been a bit concerned recently by his developing habit of losing focus and toe poking the ball to the attackers when he is assessing passing options with his foot on the ball, but otherwise think he's a pretty reliable and committed defender, and for a defender good on the ball
The pedestrian pace is intentional. The idea is to draw the opposition attackers and midfielders towards him to create space in the middle and a spare man. One successful pass puts 3-4-5 (6-7???!!) players in front of the ball making their ability to defend much more difficult. O'Shea's problem today was our midfielders not moving enough to create the angles for the successful passes.
Also, as has been said, a player making significantly more passes than anyone else is likely to make more wayward passes.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 20:31 - Jan 1 with 1900 views
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 19:29 - Jan 1 by Blaggers12
In fairness, a 25 4 yard passes each match to Kipré doesn't make him Glenn Hoddle. It's pedestrian football at times, and it detracts from any sort of pace and urgency we have.
Ah, so you weren't really asking to be educated.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 21:02 - Jan 1 with 1715 views
This sort of thing really triggers me. How can you have been watching Town and McKenna's town specifically for last few years and not understand it. We are looking to tempt/bring the opposition onto us who are just sitting back. It isn't really us being negative it's trying to counter a negative opposition to a degree.
When we play a better team we are able.to move through the lines quicker. Against teams like Oxford who just out 11 behind the ball there aren't the pockets of space to play into easily so we invite them to press by playing from the back and the nervous parts when we pass at the last second sometimes is to free space. (Walton puts his foot on the ball a lot - tempts the striker to him).
We will always look better against more attacking teams. We do need to work on breaking these teams down as we aren't perfect at it.
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 21:02 - Jan 1 by Nutkins_Return
This sort of thing really triggers me. How can you have been watching Town and McKenna's town specifically for last few years and not understand it. We are looking to tempt/bring the opposition onto us who are just sitting back. It isn't really us being negative it's trying to counter a negative opposition to a degree.
When we play a better team we are able.to move through the lines quicker. Against teams like Oxford who just out 11 behind the ball there aren't the pockets of space to play into easily so we invite them to press by playing from the back and the nervous parts when we pass at the last second sometimes is to free space. (Walton puts his foot on the ball a lot - tempts the striker to him).
We will always look better against more attacking teams. We do need to work on breaking these teams down as we aren't perfect at it.
I was tempted to reply with similar but then thought either its some trolling or if someone fails to comprehend why we play like we do, my explanation will fall on deaf ears.
it’s amazing how much of the ground seems to clamour for us to get the ball forward quicker and therefore I assume also does not understand why we play like we do currently.
So I just shrug and ignore them.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 21:15 - Jan 1 with 1611 views
You managed to look up the stats for amount of passes, blocks, attempted long passed and quote them, and then when talking about your subsequent point you say seems to, seems like with nothing to back it up. Almost like you're talking whatever bobbins you want and have no intention of guidance or understanding. Weird that.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 22:20 - Jan 1 with 1346 views
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 21:15 - Jan 1 by Axeldalai_lama
You managed to look up the stats for amount of passes, blocks, attempted long passed and quote them, and then when talking about your subsequent point you say seems to, seems like with nothing to back it up. Almost like you're talking whatever bobbins you want and have no intention of guidance or understanding. Weird that.
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 21:15 - Jan 1 by Axeldalai_lama
You managed to look up the stats for amount of passes, blocks, attempted long passed and quote them, and then when talking about your subsequent point you say seems to, seems like with nothing to back it up. Almost like you're talking whatever bobbins you want and have no intention of guidance or understanding. Weird that.
You think his distribution is good? The issue on the number of passes is the sheer number of pointless passes across the defence. Oxford were not going to press today - although pressuring O'Shea on the ball might have yielded dividends - so instead he plays it to Kipré, he rarely uses Furlong, and we would benefit from having Matusiwa pick up the ball from him to distribute.
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 00:31 - Jan 2 by Blaggers12
You think his distribution is good? The issue on the number of passes is the sheer number of pointless passes across the defence. Oxford were not going to press today - although pressuring O'Shea on the ball might have yielded dividends - so instead he plays it to Kipré, he rarely uses Furlong, and we would benefit from having Matusiwa pick up the ball from him to distribute.
Why did you ask for guidance in your topic when really you just wanted someone to validate your foolishness.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 00:46 - Jan 2 with 1046 views
"Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all" - Helen Keller.
"He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" - Mark Twain.
"The risk of a wrong decision is preferable to the terror of indecision".
"There came a time when the risk to remain tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom" - Anaïs Nin.
"If you are not willing to risk the unusual, you will have to settle for the ordinary" - Jim Rohn.
"You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps" - David Lloyd George.
"Living with fear stops us taking risks, and if you don't go out on the branch, you're never going to get the best fruit" - Sarah Parish.
"I always did something I was a little not ready to do. That's how you grow" - Carol Dweck.
Some crackers in there, I sometimes quote the second one down. I think the point with any sort of risk is, if the upside of taking it outweighs any downside of it failing if you do, it's worth taking! Just be sure that it's calculated and not reckless. However I'm going to break my own rule here and say, I'm just willing Kasey McAteer to come up with something good to shut the boo boys up. I calculated that, but I'll admit it's reckless.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 07:34 - Jan 2 with 811 views
Quite often he would rather let them shoot than risk fouling them and giving penalties away not exactly the aggressive defender but is a good ball playing defender
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 07:44 - Jan 2 with 783 views
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 00:31 - Jan 2 by Blaggers12
You think his distribution is good? The issue on the number of passes is the sheer number of pointless passes across the defence. Oxford were not going to press today - although pressuring O'Shea on the ball might have yielded dividends - so instead he plays it to Kipré, he rarely uses Furlong, and we would benefit from having Matusiwa pick up the ball from him to distribute.
What a weird response. Yet again you are avoiding people that address your point and are offering you 'guidance'. I didn't actually offer an opinion, only pointed out that your analysis makes no sense. Look up all the stats and form an opinion on them, don't look up half of them and then guess the other half to fit your existing opinion. Or do, but then don't act like a wise sage asking for opinions when you've already made up your mind.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 07:58 - Jan 2 with 745 views
O'Shea - guidance needed please on 21:02 - Jan 1 by Nutkins_Return
This sort of thing really triggers me. How can you have been watching Town and McKenna's town specifically for last few years and not understand it. We are looking to tempt/bring the opposition onto us who are just sitting back. It isn't really us being negative it's trying to counter a negative opposition to a degree.
When we play a better team we are able.to move through the lines quicker. Against teams like Oxford who just out 11 behind the ball there aren't the pockets of space to play into easily so we invite them to press by playing from the back and the nervous parts when we pass at the last second sometimes is to free space. (Walton puts his foot on the ball a lot - tempts the striker to him).
We will always look better against more attacking teams. We do need to work on breaking these teams down as we aren't perfect at it.
I agree with your post. I would add that O’Shea is a terrific player. The lynch pin of that defence which is hardly conceding boatloads of goals. Can he give the ball away? Yes. Man City’s players did that too yesterday. If you see a lot of the ball, you are not going to get it right every time.
You also need people in front to make themselves available. Until then, keep the ball and probe for an opportunity. I don’t see a problem with that, but there is room for the Murphy launch if we have a Murphy or a fit Hirst, but if we don’t, it’s just conceding possession.
I do think it can be a bit slow at times in that if you go through too long a phase you are just allowing the opposition to set and settle themselves.
I have to say I didn’t think Davis had his best game. I know he’s not been well, but it felt like every time he got the ball it went backwards. Not seen the game back, so might just be my perception. I think I’d play Greaves on Sunday. He was actually positive with his runs against Coventry and would give Leif a little break. We need our key players as fresh as possible and a big squad allows that to an extent.
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O'Shea - guidance needed please on 08:53 - Jan 2 with 572 views
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