| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now 15:30 - Jan 5 with 9694 views | Mullet |
No idea if this user is legit, but does seem like people have been mentioning it for a week or more now. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:00 - Jan 5 with 2071 views | chicoazul |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:51 - Jan 5 by ArnieM |
Its poor recruitment from us however people want to view it. Whatever happened to this data matrix thing Ashton is supposed to be using to ID players who will be the "right fit"? Yes, its to be expected that both all signingscwill done off. But we seem to be lashing out a lot of money on average players, or pkaywrs, who as soon as they pull on a Town shirt, becoming underperforming players. I realise thus development at the club is an ongoing process, but it does appear to be wasting an awful lot of money along the way. I just hope the owners keep faith with Ashton / Mckenna in this " project". |
Almost every player we sign under McK goes on to improve and we sold two of them for 60m in the summer, you’re talking garbage as usual. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:16 - Jan 5 with 2001 views | Herbivore |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:48 - Jan 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The fact you have full agreement from DarkHorse tells you all you need to know about the accuracy of your £3M valuation of Szmodics. We will be looking for a lot more than that. |
We might look for more but we won't get it. He's 30 and the Championship is his ceiling, he's not done much in the last 18 months and has been injured a lot. Hard to see how he's worth more than that kind of fee. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:43 - Jan 5 with 1895 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:16 - Jan 5 by Herbivore |
We might look for more but we won't get it. He's 30 and the Championship is his ceiling, he's not done much in the last 18 months and has been injured a lot. Hard to see how he's worth more than that kind of fee. |
I guess a lot depends on whether he can get and stay fit. Perhaps we don't have confidence that he can. Or perhaps there is truth in the rumours of a falling out. If that is the case, I guess Derby might loan him but we won't be giving him away. An average Championship player is worth more than £3M at age 30. Unless he cannot get fit, Szmodics is far more than an average Championship player. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:52 - Jan 5 with 1850 views | Herbivore |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:43 - Jan 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I guess a lot depends on whether he can get and stay fit. Perhaps we don't have confidence that he can. Or perhaps there is truth in the rumours of a falling out. If that is the case, I guess Derby might loan him but we won't be giving him away. An average Championship player is worth more than £3M at age 30. Unless he cannot get fit, Szmodics is far more than an average Championship player. |
Ultimately a player is worth what someone is willing to pay for them. Given his age and injury record I can't see anyone being willing to pay more than £3m for him but I guess we'll see, although perhaps a loan move might be more likely if nobody is willing to stump up a fee for him. | |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:58 - Jan 5 with 1823 views | PioneerBlue |
No one here should be surprised we’d consider culling a bottom tier performer. That is the way you progress. You take out the bottom performers at the earliest time and continue replacing. Thats the football meritocracy.
Hes in the bottom 5 performers this season according to twtd match ratings. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 22:10 - Jan 5 with 1757 views | LeoMuff |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 18:25 - Jan 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Gutted if true. |
Really ? A total of 4 goals and 0 assists over 2 seasons, I like his workrate but that is a very poor return for probably one of our top earners |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 23:19 - Jan 5 with 1585 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 18:15 - Jan 5 by OldFart71 |
I think you could say that about several players. But not everyone is good enough or adapts. We all frowned when Delap weny for £30 million, but injuries apart he's done little. Hutchinson has only now started to show what he achieved with us, but Philogene is a better player as he's two footed.
Leif is great going forward, but not as good as Greaves defensive wise and maybe Leif wasn't 100% fit in the Prem, but we struggled when attacked down his side.
Things will obviously change depending on where we finish.
Maybe KM goes to another club, but whether that is due to offers coming in or Gamechanger wanting a change if we don't get promoted who knows. Lots of water under the bridge between now and the end of the season. |
Philogene is not better than Hutchinson |  | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 23:44 - Jan 5 with 1533 views | Churchman |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:20 - Jan 5 by darkhorse28 |
Fair assessment. It’s not a decent return though, we can’t keep signing players for £10-15 million and sell them for £3 million.
He’s systemic of a serious talent ID failure at the club.., if we don’t get value, we can’t be successful long term.
Muric, Greaves, Ogbenne, McAteer, Akpom if we have to sign him, Sammie, Azon if we have to sign him, there’s about £80 million plus of player inventory, worth less than half of that.
Succesful clubs at the level above are signing £10 million players and selling them to the best clubs in Europe a year later for £50 million.
Bournemouth have now sold four in one and half windows, and will still stay up, Brentford the same, and Brighton etc etc
No succesful club does what we do, throw money at it and miss more often then not.
Promotion this season will paper over the PSR, but it won’t solve the problem.
Thats what elite is, and the standards we compete with. |
Please list the players we have bought for £10-£15m and actually sold for £3m to date. Actually, just one example will do. We bought Morsy for over £1m and let him go on a free. Does he count?
Secondly, please name any manager who as ever got all transfers right.
Who is systemic of a serious talent ID failure at the club? Name names. Ashton or McKenna who approves the signings?
What is that systemic failure? Are you just picking the players that haven’t done so well or are you including Davis, Philogene, Matusiwa, Clarke, Hirst, Nunez, O’Shea, Furlong, 2x keepers in your list? If you are, list them, what we paid and what they are worth now. We know roughly what we paid for Delap, Broadhead and Hutchinson so we will ignore them so we don’t ruin your analysis with a positive.
We all know recruitment is not to the level of Brighton and others. What did you expect? Please tell me what the club should have done differently. I’ll give you a clue. With no fit for purpose infrastructure the obvious thing was to do a Norwich. @rse in the air, trouser the cash and accept relegation. Instead the club tried. You might condemn them for that. I do not.
You are clearly an expert on what the value of players is. I’m actually stunned the club didn’t turn to you as head of recruitment and CEO two years ago. Just think where we’d be now. [Post edited 6 Jan 0:01]
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 23:53 - Jan 5 with 1514 views | Churchman |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:51 - Jan 5 by ArnieM |
Its poor recruitment from us however people want to view it. Whatever happened to this data matrix thing Ashton is supposed to be using to ID players who will be the "right fit"? Yes, its to be expected that both all signingscwill done off. But we seem to be lashing out a lot of money on average players, or pkaywrs, who as soon as they pull on a Town shirt, becoming underperforming players. I realise thus development at the club is an ongoing process, but it does appear to be wasting an awful lot of money along the way. I just hope the owners keep faith with Ashton / Mckenna in this " project". |
Why the quotation marks for “project”? I’m curious. Do you think it a load of cobblers or what exactly?
I know we failed to win yesterday (boooooo!) and the rage and grief is rising again but do you really hope the owners keep faith with Ashton and McKenna or do you want them out of the door? Plenty certainly want KM out as was demonstrated 2 December. He knows it and I think those that do will get their dearest wish in the next six months.
After all, McKenna approves the signings and if it’s ‘poor recruitment from us’, he is accountable and you will be happy to see him gone won’t you? | | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 23:54 - Jan 5 with 1509 views | StokieBlue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:51 - Jan 5 by ArnieM |
Its poor recruitment from us however people want to view it. Whatever happened to this data matrix thing Ashton is supposed to be using to ID players who will be the "right fit"? Yes, its to be expected that both all signingscwill done off. But we seem to be lashing out a lot of money on average players, or pkaywrs, who as soon as they pull on a Town shirt, becoming underperforming players. I realise thus development at the club is an ongoing process, but it does appear to be wasting an awful lot of money along the way. I just hope the owners keep faith with Ashton / Mckenna in this " project". |
Why wouldn't they keep the faith?
We're ahead of schedule, have already had a season in the PL and are third ok the league this year on an upward trend.
They have made their investment back many times and things are generally going in the right direction.
SB [Post edited 6 Jan 7:52]
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:07 - Jan 6 with 1251 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:52 - Jan 5 by Herbivore |
Ultimately a player is worth what someone is willing to pay for them. Given his age and injury record I can't see anyone being willing to pay more than £3m for him but I guess we'll see, although perhaps a loan move might be more likely if nobody is willing to stump up a fee for him. |
Look what we got for Broadhead. Before the sale when people were touting a figure of £7 million around they were roundly ridiculed. And look at how much we paid for McAteer.
Szmodics is a proven championship goalscorer who had a decent goals to minutes ratio in the Premier League. £3 million is laughable. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:30 - Jan 6 with 1169 views | StokieBlue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:07 - Jan 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Look what we got for Broadhead. Before the sale when people were touting a figure of £7 million around they were roundly ridiculed. And look at how much we paid for McAteer.
Szmodics is a proven championship goalscorer who had a decent goals to minutes ratio in the Premier League. £3 million is laughable. |
Szmodics is 31 this year though, quite a different context to Broadhead.
I would be surprised if we could get anything more than 4m for Sammy, I would probably take 3m to free up the space and wages given he's unlikely to play much in my view.
I could obviously be wrong.
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:33 - Jan 6 with 1155 views | catch74 |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:58 - Jan 5 by PioneerBlue |
No one here should be surprised we’d consider culling a bottom tier performer. That is the way you progress. You take out the bottom performers at the earliest time and continue replacing. Thats the football meritocracy.
Hes in the bottom 5 performers this season according to twtd match ratings. |
Ashton did say he’s on TWTD looking at the ratings, especially at transfer time, it’s how they make the decisions on who’s to go. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:41 - Jan 6 with 1105 views | Herbivore |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:07 - Jan 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Look what we got for Broadhead. Before the sale when people were touting a figure of £7 million around they were roundly ridiculed. And look at how much we paid for McAteer.
Szmodics is a proven championship goalscorer who had a decent goals to minutes ratio in the Premier League. £3 million is laughable. |
Disagree. He's 31 so has zero resale value and he's had one outstanding season at this level in his career and has a poor recent injury record. Nobody will be paying several million for him. | |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:46 - Jan 6 with 1064 views | hype313 |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:41 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
Disagree. He's 31 so has zero resale value and he's had one outstanding season at this level in his career and has a poor recent injury record. Nobody will be paying several million for him. |
Agreed, he had one outstanding goalscoring season, compared to single figures throughout his career, albeit, he did get 12 in League 2 one season.
He's 31, with an injury record like he has got, if we got £3m I'd be flabbergasted. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:13 - Jan 6 with 964 views | Sharkey |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:46 - Jan 6 by hype313 |
Agreed, he had one outstanding goalscoring season, compared to single figures throughout his career, albeit, he did get 12 in League 2 one season.
He's 31, with an injury record like he has got, if we got £3m I'd be flabbergasted. |
I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but he got a 12 and 14 in L2, and a 15 in L1. |  | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:21 - Jan 6 with 906 views | keighleyblue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:33 - Jan 6 by catch74 |
Ashton did say he’s on TWTD looking at the ratings, especially at transfer time, it’s how they make the decisions on who’s to go. |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:22 - Jan 6 with 899 views | BlueBadger |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:51 - Jan 5 by ArnieM |
Its poor recruitment from us however people want to view it. Whatever happened to this data matrix thing Ashton is supposed to be using to ID players who will be the "right fit"? Yes, its to be expected that both all signingscwill done off. But we seem to be lashing out a lot of money on average players, or pkaywrs, who as soon as they pull on a Town shirt, becoming underperforming players. I realise thus development at the club is an ongoing process, but it does appear to be wasting an awful lot of money along the way. I just hope the owners keep faith with Ashton / Mckenna in this " project". |
More Frimmers than Frimmers. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:41 - Jan 6 with 816 views | Herbivore |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:13 - Jan 6 by Sharkey |
I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but he got a 12 and 14 in L2, and a 15 in L1. |
Those kind of returns don't make you worth several million pounds when you're in your 30s and have had a lot of recent injury issues though. | |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:52 - Jan 6 with 790 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:20 - Jan 5 by darkhorse28 |
Fair assessment. It’s not a decent return though, we can’t keep signing players for £10-15 million and sell them for £3 million.
He’s systemic of a serious talent ID failure at the club.., if we don’t get value, we can’t be successful long term.
Muric, Greaves, Ogbenne, McAteer, Akpom if we have to sign him, Sammie, Azon if we have to sign him, there’s about £80 million plus of player inventory, worth less than half of that.
Succesful clubs at the level above are signing £10 million players and selling them to the best clubs in Europe a year later for £50 million.
Bournemouth have now sold four in one and half windows, and will still stay up, Brentford the same, and Brighton etc etc
No succesful club does what we do, throw money at it and miss more often then not.
Promotion this season will paper over the PSR, but it won’t solve the problem.
Thats what elite is, and the standards we compete with. |
Azon is on loan without an obligation, the figure on Akpom is £7m which frankly isn't a lot in the context of premier league money and one I would be confident we could recoup. Early days for McAteer too, albeit that transfer fee felt hugely inflated. I would still think Greaves is worth close to what we paid, he's a good age and left sided English central defenders with his experience don't come cheap.
Muric, Ogbenne, Szmodics are the ones we need to trade on well, or at least limit the damage. £25m across those 3, I'd imagine we'll get £15m back in some capacity.
They won't all work though, its like a portfolio of shares, as a whole we're probably still in the green. Broadhead was peanuts and we sold him for £8m, Delap and Hutchinson were £35m and we sold for £67.5m. Davis is probably worth £15m more than we paid, Hirst is worth more, Philogene & Clarke are worth what we paid at least. O'Shea, Nunez, Palmer & Furlong too, as a bare minimum. McAteer and Egeli we'll have to wait and see. Our current squad cost us in the region of £150m, I think its probably worth about the same now, and we've realised gains on departures already. |  | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:55 - Jan 6 with 763 views | tetchris |
Let him go, injury prone, had one good season in championship and Blackburn took MA’s trousers down over the fee | | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 10:09 - Jan 6 with 711 views | Sharkey |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:41 - Jan 6 by Herbivore |
Those kind of returns don't make you worth several million pounds when you're in your 30s and have had a lot of recent injury issues though. |
Agreed, but I didn't see the point of the exaggeration. As a young player he did get a lot of goals considering he was playing in midfield. | | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 with 531 views | ArnieM |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 20:53 - Jan 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It's still very impressive that McKenna can have those average players challenging for automatic promotion, though, isn't it? |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:40 - Jan 6 with 491 views | Weekender |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
Broadhead? He was one of our best players in L1 and the Championship promotion season. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:40 - Jan 6 with 491 views | bluesbrothers |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
BROADHEAD?!?! Got to be trolling... | | | |
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