| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now 15:30 - Jan 5 with 9721 views | Mullet |
No idea if this user is legit, but does seem like people have been mentioning it for a week or more now. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:50 - Jan 6 with 1043 views | Zx1988 |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 08:07 - Jan 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Look what we got for Broadhead. Before the sale when people were touting a figure of £7 million around they were roundly ridiculed. And look at how much we paid for McAteer.
Szmodics is a proven championship goalscorer who had a decent goals to minutes ratio in the Premier League. £3 million is laughable. |
I feel that the fee may be influenced, in part, by whatever reason there may be for SS having suddenly dropped right out of the first team picture.
If the rumours have any hint of truth to them, and he's found himself to be persona non grata at Town, I wouldn't be surprised if that would give any interested party the whip hand in negotiations. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:59 - Jan 6 with 1001 views | HighgateBlue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:52 - Jan 6 by _CliveBaker_ |
Azon is on loan without an obligation, the figure on Akpom is £7m which frankly isn't a lot in the context of premier league money and one I would be confident we could recoup. Early days for McAteer too, albeit that transfer fee felt hugely inflated. I would still think Greaves is worth close to what we paid, he's a good age and left sided English central defenders with his experience don't come cheap.
Muric, Ogbenne, Szmodics are the ones we need to trade on well, or at least limit the damage. £25m across those 3, I'd imagine we'll get £15m back in some capacity.
They won't all work though, its like a portfolio of shares, as a whole we're probably still in the green. Broadhead was peanuts and we sold him for £8m, Delap and Hutchinson were £35m and we sold for £67.5m. Davis is probably worth £15m more than we paid, Hirst is worth more, Philogene & Clarke are worth what we paid at least. O'Shea, Nunez, Palmer & Furlong too, as a bare minimum. McAteer and Egeli we'll have to wait and see. Our current squad cost us in the region of £150m, I think its probably worth about the same now, and we've realised gains on departures already. |
Agree with much of that, but do remember that there was a percentage to be paid to Man City on the Delap deal (percentage of profit or percentage of fee, I don't think anyone knows).
On the other side of the ledger, it also seems to me that we got a reasonable fee for Wolfie (although I understand that (a) it's emotional for some people to lose one of our own, (b) some people thought he was a very classy ball player, and (c) he isn't really a "player trading" example, given that we didn't buy him in the first place).
Not certain whether we would get £7m for Akpom given his lack of goals and his age. If we were to get promoted, potential buyers would surely know we would be keen sellers and that would affect the price. But you never know, maybe he plays in the 9 for the rest of the season, bangs in the goals, and we never want to sell! Here's hoping... |  | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:02 - Jan 6 with 979 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:59 - Jan 6 by HighgateBlue |
Agree with much of that, but do remember that there was a percentage to be paid to Man City on the Delap deal (percentage of profit or percentage of fee, I don't think anyone knows).
On the other side of the ledger, it also seems to me that we got a reasonable fee for Wolfie (although I understand that (a) it's emotional for some people to lose one of our own, (b) some people thought he was a very classy ball player, and (c) he isn't really a "player trading" example, given that we didn't buy him in the first place).
Not certain whether we would get £7m for Akpom given his lack of goals and his age. If we were to get promoted, potential buyers would surely know we would be keen sellers and that would affect the price. But you never know, maybe he plays in the 9 for the rest of the season, bangs in the goals, and we never want to sell! Here's hoping... |
Yes I think the net profit on Delap was only in the region of £8m, I think we probably netted around £60m for those 2.
Akpom will be easy enough to move if we go up, the Championship will be very competitive next season with the sides going down, Brum wanted him last summer, Wrexham will invest again, Leicester & Saints etc. Plenty of suitors, even if its a 7 figure loan deal for a couple of years and then getting £4m for him, which wouldn't be a stretch to a promotion chasing team (depending on how well he did on said loans). |  | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:06 - Jan 6 with 937 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
What a bizarre take.
Muric - undermined by a section of the supporters, and now potentially going to Juv (that will generate a reasonably fee, and potential profit). I still say that given a chance, he could have been immense for us.
Broadhead - LOLZ
Johnson - has shown what he's capable of, but too often played out of position / the wrong partnerships. Came on a free, so hard to question value given squad benefits
Szmodics - been unlucky with injury, and not got the opportunity to prove himself in his preferred role. Adds much energy, and makes space for others when he plays.
McAteer - too early to say - shows glimpses of what he brings, but needs to be sharper in front of goal. Could be a failure, or could be our dark horse.
Azon - a paint's width away from at least 3 more goals, and defences hate him. Still too early to know what he's capable of, but he's young and will get better under KmK
Akpom - rarely been played in the right position, but has shown what he brings when he is.
None of these are yet proven to be poor recruitment imo, and add depth to the squad. Could they be improved on - of course, and we will see some of that. | | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:08 - Jan 6 with 924 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:06 - Jan 6 by SuffolkPunchFC |
What a bizarre take.
Muric - undermined by a section of the supporters, and now potentially going to Juv (that will generate a reasonably fee, and potential profit). I still say that given a chance, he could have been immense for us.
Broadhead - LOLZ
Johnson - has shown what he's capable of, but too often played out of position / the wrong partnerships. Came on a free, so hard to question value given squad benefits
Szmodics - been unlucky with injury, and not got the opportunity to prove himself in his preferred role. Adds much energy, and makes space for others when he plays.
McAteer - too early to say - shows glimpses of what he brings, but needs to be sharper in front of goal. Could be a failure, or could be our dark horse.
Azon - a paint's width away from at least 3 more goals, and defences hate him. Still too early to know what he's capable of, but he's young and will get better under KmK
Akpom - rarely been played in the right position, but has shown what he brings when he is.
None of these are yet proven to be poor recruitment imo, and add depth to the squad. Could they be improved on - of course, and we will see some of that. |
Azon is also a straight loan deal, we're no doubt paying his wages but he won't be anywhere close to being a top earner. He's low enough risk and ridiculous to include on such a list. | | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:15 - Jan 6 with 861 views | Vic |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
Broadhead was one of our best players in our seasons of rise - though a little inconsistent. Plus we sold him for a lot more than we paid. Not sure that can be called poor recruitment
Azon is on loan, not a purchase. He's taken a while to adapt to the champ, but I think the majority now accept that he's improving and certainly brings something to the team when he plays. Personally I think it's too strong to say he's been a poor recruitment.
Szmodics - for me he's a strange one. He's looked decent at times when he's played - 4 in 20 in the prem (only 13 starts) is a decent enough return. But he's just been injured a lot. I personally don't think he's part of the future here - but 'poor recruitment'? I think it's harsh to say that when he certainly made sense at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
McAteer - so far not good, so the jury certainly has to be out. Expensive/ Definately looking that way at the moment. But I still think it's too early to right him off as a flop. He needs a full season and then assess him (IMO)
Muric & Johnson - both clearly talented players that for some reason haven't done as well as hoped here. Poor recruitment? Maybe - but no reason to know that when they were bought.
Akpom - a strange one. The stats suggest a sensible buy, but hasn't cut the mustard yet. poor recruitment - probably.
But the bottom line is that no manager gets it right all the time. Good players lose form, don't adapt to a new club, get injured. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:18 - Jan 6 with 849 views | Father_Jack |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 23:19 - Jan 5 by reusersfreekicks |
Philogene is not better than Hutchinson |
And Hutch is definitely two-footed. He must be because he said so himself. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:22 - Jan 6 with 816 views | StokieBlue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
Bonkers.
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:54 - Jan 6 with 703 views | CastroSito |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
can add Morsy, Leif and Wes to that list.
All shite. | | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:59 - Jan 6 with 682 views | Churchman |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:15 - Jan 6 by Vic |
Broadhead was one of our best players in our seasons of rise - though a little inconsistent. Plus we sold him for a lot more than we paid. Not sure that can be called poor recruitment
Azon is on loan, not a purchase. He's taken a while to adapt to the champ, but I think the majority now accept that he's improving and certainly brings something to the team when he plays. Personally I think it's too strong to say he's been a poor recruitment.
Szmodics - for me he's a strange one. He's looked decent at times when he's played - 4 in 20 in the prem (only 13 starts) is a decent enough return. But he's just been injured a lot. I personally don't think he's part of the future here - but 'poor recruitment'? I think it's harsh to say that when he certainly made sense at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
McAteer - so far not good, so the jury certainly has to be out. Expensive/ Definately looking that way at the moment. But I still think it's too early to right him off as a flop. He needs a full season and then assess him (IMO)
Muric & Johnson - both clearly talented players that for some reason haven't done as well as hoped here. Poor recruitment? Maybe - but no reason to know that when they were bought.
Akpom - a strange one. The stats suggest a sensible buy, but hasn't cut the mustard yet. poor recruitment - probably.
But the bottom line is that no manager gets it right all the time. Good players lose form, don't adapt to a new club, get injured. |
Good summary.
I think there is more to come from Azon. I think he’s a good little player even if his finishing is a bit errr random.
Szmodics? Well, he’s always looked a good Championship player and when fit looked lively in the Premier. The key though is fitness. I don’t think it can be called poor recruitment for exactly the reason you give. I don’t remember too many throwing their toys out of the pram when he signed.
McAteer? Not seen enough of him but only when he moves on and after a time here will we be able to judge whether it was poor or not. I get 8 games is 8 more than Muric got before he was started on, but I’d give McAteer time. Don’t forget six months ago Philogene and Clarke were considered a waste of time and space.
Muric is the best keeper on the club’s books. He was given no chance here and was started on almost immediately. The treatment off our finest certainly contributed to a collapse in confidence, just as it did many years ago to Andy Marshall. Had he received a little support who knows. Hopefully we will get some of the fee back, given he seems to have had a good season to date.
Akpom? Not convinced. His goal the other day was a proper CF goal so maybe a few appearances there and he might show some form. Johnson? Completely unimpressed.
Signing players is always hit and miss. Look at Izak at Liverpool. One of the best Premier players last year, large fee and where are Liverpool now with it, even if £120m to them is chump change. For most of ours we don’t actually know the terms of the deals and we don’t know what they will be sold for or in Hutchinson or Delap’s case what their sale will ultimately realise.
I think we got good money for Broadhead given age and contract and undersold Woolfenden if the £4m fee is accurate. Mind you, he didn’t look so good playing against us the other day.
But it’s all opinions and I’m certainly no expert which is why I am in favour of seeing how things play out rather than use any perceived stick to beat up the club, recruitment team, CEO and McKenna. |  | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:00 - Jan 6 with 672 views | tractordownsouth |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 21:52 - Jan 5 by Herbivore |
Ultimately a player is worth what someone is willing to pay for them. Given his age and injury record I can't see anyone being willing to pay more than £3m for him but I guess we'll see, although perhaps a loan move might be more likely if nobody is willing to stump up a fee for him. |
It makes more sense for us to do a loan. He's less than halfway through a four-year-deal from when we bought him for £9m, so any sale under £4.5m (which I doubt anyone would pay) would have to be booked as a loss for FFP purposes. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:06 - Jan 6 with 646 views | BiGDonnie |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
Honestly, you're thick as s&it. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:10 - Jan 6 with 618 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 09:22 - Jan 6 by BlueBadger |
More Frimmers than Frimmers. |
give it a rest BB, every day recently your posting about me when im not evening involved in the thread |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:14 - Jan 6 with 607 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:00 - Jan 6 by tractordownsouth |
It makes more sense for us to do a loan. He's less than halfway through a four-year-deal from when we bought him for £9m, so any sale under £4.5m (which I doubt anyone would pay) would have to be booked as a loss for FFP purposes. |
That's not strictly true as we would also save what we're due to amortise between now and the end of June, which is over £1m in a 6 month period.
EDIT: I see you said £4.5m, so you already factored that in. [Post edited 6 Jan 14:16]
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:23 - Jan 6 with 557 views | oldburian |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:06 - Jan 6 by BiGDonnie |
Honestly, you're thick as s&it. |
Annie M is a Canary she was outed on Pink un. | | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:29 - Jan 6 with 520 views | Dubtractor |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:23 - Jan 6 by oldburian |
Annie M is a Canary she was outed on Pink un. |
I don't think she is a canary, just a town fan with overly forceful (and often plain wrong) opinions. |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 15:05 - Jan 6 with 410 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 12:33 - Jan 6 by ArnieM |
Just to clarify a little , when I've said poor recruitment Im referring to players such as
Muric
Broadhead
Johnson
Szmodics
McAteer
Azon
Akpom
Id say all of these players have underperformed since they've been here, would you? I know it doesnt always work out, but thats a lot of recently signed players , not really working out ... |
"all of these players have underperformed since they've been here"
Muric joined from relegation to the Championship and is currently regularly playing in Italian Serie A and attracting interest from Juve if reports are true. It hasn't worked out for him at PR but underperformed? Hardly, really.
Broadhead joined for £1.5M from Everton where he had made 1 Premier League appearance and never looked close to another. He helped us from League 1 to the Premier League, was sold for £7M and is currently playing fairly regular Championship football. What exactly does par achievement look like to you?
Johnson was a squad player at West Ham in the Premier League. He was signed to be a squad player with us and remains as one albeit in the Championship. He certainly wouldn't be described as over-achieving but what would you be expecting from him? He can't do much if he isn't on the pitch.
Szmodics signed from the Championship, played in the Premier League and is a Championship regular for us if fit. He is out injured and may leave for a lower fee than we signed him for. However, he hasn't really under-achieved, just been injured too much.
McAteer has been here 4 months and started 8 games for us. You want to decide on his achievement levels already? Fair enough, he has underachieved? He should be keeping out a player signed for 50% more than him in Walle Egeli? I accept he hasn't had the greatest of starts which isn't helped by "fans" like yourself being on his back after a few games.
Azon similar to McAteer above.
Akpom similar to McAteer above.
If you really want to, you could argue a case for the last three. But the fact you include Broadhead especially says it all! |  |
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| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 15:38 - Jan 6 with 339 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 13:54 - Jan 6 by CastroSito |
can add Morsy, Leif and Wes to that list.
All shite. |
Yep. Should add our one-trick-pony manager to the list while we're at it too. |  | | |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 15:42 - Jan 6 with 321 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Szmodics to Derby rumour making its way out now on 14:10 - Jan 6 by FrimleyBlue |
give it a rest BB, every day recently your posting about me when im not evening involved in the thread |
Don't worry about it Frimmers, he's just using you to express his own insecurities. | | | |
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