| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… 07:46 - Feb 27 with 7925 views | SitfcB |
|  |
| |  |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 07:53 - Feb 27 with 3603 views | Zx1988 |
If it was that much of an issue (or an issue at all), why didn't Democracy Volunteers report their concerns to the police and Returning Officer at the time, rather than releasing a statement after polls closed? |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 07:58 - Feb 27 with 3539 views | ITFC_Forever |
They had all day to raise any concerns, not come out bleating after the polls had closed. |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 07:58 - Feb 27 with 3534 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 07:53 - Feb 27 by Zx1988 |
If it was that much of an issue (or an issue at all), why didn't Democracy Volunteers report their concerns to the police and Returning Officer at the time, rather than releasing a statement after polls closed? |
They are only allowed to observe and report. They cannot interfere.
This is an organisation accredited by the Electoral Commission who observe elections not only in this country but across Europe. There seem to be a few on here who want to smear them as Reform supporters. |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:00 - Feb 27 with 3516 views | JakeITFC |
Even if this data was to be extrapolated and everything went in favour of Reform in a revote (i.e. the Greens lost 12% of their vote) it would still be a thumping majority win for them.
Annoyingly does allow the Reform UK team to steal another page from the American playbook, this time that the election was stolen/cheated. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:06 - Feb 27 with 3477 views | GeoffSentence |
I have seen ths happen recently. Waiting in the queue to get my ballot paper a spritely grey haired old lady was asked by her doddery old husband where to put his cross. I was quite shocked. Didn't know wether I should say anything. In the end I did the British thing, kept quiet and said 'did you see that ...' to my wife in the way home |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:09 - Feb 27 with 3448 views | StokieBlue |
The commission witnessed family voting that if applied evenly across all voting would total 6%. Now it's unlikely it was universal across the entire vote population so the number is likely lower. This is obviously bad and we should look to ensure it doesn't happen in elections with new policies.
The Greens won by ~15% over Reform so even at the worst estimate and if all those people voted Reform then the Greens still win (~12% swing).
It is of course not helpful to Farage for him to mention any of that but he has succeeded in getting you to repost his tweet and thus seed more doubt.
SB |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:11 - Feb 27 with 3410 views | DJR |
Not good if this has gone on, but if this is thought to be a problem, I would have thought that postal voting would be a much greater issue when it comes to this sort of thing.
But postal voting has been encouraged, and grown substantially, in recent years, and I can't see there being any calls to stop that. [Post edited 27 Feb 8:52]
|  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:16 - Feb 27 with 3364 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:09 - Feb 27 by StokieBlue |
The commission witnessed family voting that if applied evenly across all voting would total 6%. Now it's unlikely it was universal across the entire vote population so the number is likely lower. This is obviously bad and we should look to ensure it doesn't happen in elections with new policies.
The Greens won by ~15% over Reform so even at the worst estimate and if all those people voted Reform then the Greens still win (~12% swing).
It is of course not helpful to Farage for him to mention any of that but he has succeeded in getting you to repost his tweet and thus seed more doubt.
SB |
Where do you get the 6% figure from? Everything I’ve read in the Democracy Volunteers report gives a figure of 12%. They noted 32 cases of family voting affecting 65 voters in a sample of 545 voters.
Of course yiu are correct to say that it’s unlikely it was universal across the entire vote population so would have affected the result but it dies leave open a challenge through the courts. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:20 - Feb 27 with 3330 views | StokieBlue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:16 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Where do you get the 6% figure from? Everything I’ve read in the Democracy Volunteers report gives a figure of 12%. They noted 32 cases of family voting affecting 65 voters in a sample of 545 voters.
Of course yiu are correct to say that it’s unlikely it was universal across the entire vote population so would have affected the result but it dies leave open a challenge through the courts. |
You are indeed correct, I misread it as 32 voters rather than 65 whilst posting on the train.
Still it would take the vast majority of them to vote for Reform to produce the required swing and that's assuming they all voted for the Greens.
It should certainly be looked at for future elections but it needs to be clear this is unlikely to have changed the result, something Farage and Reform certainly aren't making clear and that is propagated by reposting Farage
Although interestingly (or not), if we assume all those instances were couples and one was exercising influence over the other then it's only 6% of actual votes that would be effected.
SB [Post edited 27 Feb 8:23]
| | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:23 - Feb 27 with 3287 views | vapour_trail |
Imagine following and sharing content from that c^*+.
Absolute state of it. |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:25 - Feb 27 with 3232 views | NthQldITFC |
1. It's not some new phenomenon - it always happens
2. Approximately 0% of those potentially influenced by a family member to vote Green would have voted for Ref*rm anyway
3. Tr*mpian misinformation desperation from the racist right. |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:25 - Feb 27 with 3226 views | Kievthegreat |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 07:58 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
They are only allowed to observe and report. They cannot interfere.
This is an organisation accredited by the Electoral Commission who observe elections not only in this country but across Europe. There seem to be a few on here who want to smear them as Reform supporters. |
They are allowed to report irregularities immediately to Election Officials. It is part of the code of practice laid out by the Electoral Commission:
"3.14 Observers may bring irregularities, fraud or significant problems to the attention of
election officials on the spot, unless this would contravene the secrecy requirements, and
must do so in a non-obstructive manner."
https://www.electoralcommissio
Perhaps they've erred on the safe side because of maintaining secrecy of the ballot, being the overriding concern. However they can and arguably should raise issues where possible. I'm not sure how challenging some activity after the fact, even simply that they "believe the previous voters behaved in a suspicious way that could be family voting", would alert staff to potential issues. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:27 - Feb 27 with 3198 views | DJR |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 07:58 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
They are only allowed to observe and report. They cannot interfere.
This is an organisation accredited by the Electoral Commission who observe elections not only in this country but across Europe. There seem to be a few on here who want to smear them as Reform supporters. |
That's not true according to the Electoral Commission code of practice for volunteers.
https://www.electoralcommissio
3.14 Observers may bring irregularities, fraud or significant problems to the attention of
election officials on the spot, unless this would contravene the secrecy requirements, and
must do so in a non-obstructive manner. | | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:30 - Feb 27 with 3132 views | NthQldITFC |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:16 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Where do you get the 6% figure from? Everything I’ve read in the Democracy Volunteers report gives a figure of 12%. They noted 32 cases of family voting affecting 65 voters in a sample of 545 voters.
Of course yiu are correct to say that it’s unlikely it was universal across the entire vote population so would have affected the result but it dies leave open a challenge through the courts. |
Even Ref*rm's delightfully named Chairman Bull on R4 this morning was honest enough to say that it wouldn't have made any difference to the vote. | |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:30 - Feb 27 with 3117 views | Kievthegreat |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:27 - Feb 27 by DJR |
That's not true according to the Electoral Commission code of practice for volunteers.
https://www.electoralcommissio
3.14 Observers may bring irregularities, fraud or significant problems to the attention of
election officials on the spot, unless this would contravene the secrecy requirements, and
must do so in a non-obstructive manner. |
Not sure what's funnier, we both read the exact same document within minutes of each other, or the fact we both copied from the PDF and accidentally left in the extra line break in the quote. | | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:35 - Feb 27 with 3014 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:25 - Feb 27 by Kievthegreat |
They are allowed to report irregularities immediately to Election Officials. It is part of the code of practice laid out by the Electoral Commission:
"3.14 Observers may bring irregularities, fraud or significant problems to the attention of
election officials on the spot, unless this would contravene the secrecy requirements, and
must do so in a non-obstructive manner."
https://www.electoralcommissio
Perhaps they've erred on the safe side because of maintaining secrecy of the ballot, being the overriding concern. However they can and arguably should raise issues where possible. I'm not sure how challenging some activity after the fact, even simply that they "believe the previous voters behaved in a suspicious way that could be family voting", would alert staff to potential issues. |
Thanks for the clarification. DV now saying they dud raise concerns.
“ John Ault, the report author, tells @joncraig "We did raise the issue of family voting with individual presiding officers during the day before we left or when they were not busy."
Which sounds a bit wishy washy to me. | |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:36 - Feb 27 with 3020 views | Zx1988 |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:25 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
1. It's not some new phenomenon - it always happens
2. Approximately 0% of those potentially influenced by a family member to vote Green would have voted for Ref*rm anyway
3. Tr*mpian misinformation desperation from the racist right. |
Re your second point:
If any of the demographic that Führage is targeting here had been thinking of voting Reform, that would probably be one of the most compelling reasons for a family member to step in and strongly suggest that their interests might be better served by a vote for a different candidate. | |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:41 - Feb 27 with 2937 views | management |
Reform would not win this constituency irrespective of these dubious voting practices, more likely Labour will have lost votes to The Greens. I could understand constituents being miffed as their individual vote may have been negated by someone who has being coerced into voting for a particular party whoever that may be. Does require a thorough investigation in order to prevent occurring in the future when the margin of victory kay be substantially smaller. | | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:44 - Feb 27 with 2905 views | DJR |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:25 - Feb 27 by Kievthegreat |
They are allowed to report irregularities immediately to Election Officials. It is part of the code of practice laid out by the Electoral Commission:
"3.14 Observers may bring irregularities, fraud or significant problems to the attention of
election officials on the spot, unless this would contravene the secrecy requirements, and
must do so in a non-obstructive manner."
https://www.electoralcommissio
Perhaps they've erred on the safe side because of maintaining secrecy of the ballot, being the overriding concern. However they can and arguably should raise issues where possible. I'm not sure how challenging some activity after the fact, even simply that they "believe the previous voters behaved in a suspicious way that could be family voting", would alert staff to potential issues. |
As regards your last sentence, even if they didn't interfere the first time, they could bring it to the attention of those in the polling station to ensure they keep a closer eye on things for the future. And they could always report it to the Chief Registration Officer, who could in turn warn the staff at all polling stations.
Of course, it may well be that Democracy Volunteers do not see it as their role to do this, and I see after the May elections last year, they also raised concerns about family voting but raised no issues about the possibility of family voting when it came to postal votes.
https://democracyvolunteers.or [Post edited 27 Feb 8:45]
| | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:44 - Feb 27 with 2907 views | Kievthegreat |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:35 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Thanks for the clarification. DV now saying they dud raise concerns.
“ John Ault, the report author, tells @joncraig "We did raise the issue of family voting with individual presiding officers during the day before we left or when they were not busy."
Which sounds a bit wishy washy to me. |
Indeed another quote on the BBC:
"Obviously they can be very busy so we don't seek to interrupt their work. We posed questions about family voting in several polling stations and how staff dealt with it when it arose."
Probably needs more context than a brief entry from the BBC live page, but the "We posed questions about family voting in several polling stations and how staff dealt with it when it arose", makes it sound like they raised hypotheticals about how polling stations should react rather than reporting the issue directly. | | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:46 - Feb 27 with 2880 views | Mullet |
Reform have pulled so many dirty tricks up here and still failed. Fake letters, mobilising Britain First under their colours, filming residents for social media content etc
They’re absolute scum. |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:52 - Feb 27 with 2761 views | eireblue |
How do you police it properly?
How would you stop a Reform voter telling his wife how to vote in a postal vote. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:53 - Feb 27 with 2743 views | BlueBadger |
Oh man, he's going to be fücking furious when he finds out about the Brexit vote. |  |
| |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:56 - Feb 27 with 2716 views | DJR |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:52 - Feb 27 by eireblue |
How do you police it properly?
How would you stop a Reform voter telling his wife how to vote in a postal vote. |
When I used to take my elderly mother to the polling station, I had sometimes spent some time, when she was wavering, persuading her to do the right thing.  | | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:02 - Feb 27 with 2654 views | NedPlimpton |
Welcome to the second stage of grief - denial
After that comes guilt where you'll start to question all the many many things your lot have done that could put voters off. I'll start with the obsession on immigration and "woke" rather than any actual policies |  | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
