| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… 07:46 - Feb 27 with 11620 views | SitfcB |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:06 - Feb 27 with 1003 views | eireblue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:56 - Feb 27 by DJR |
When I used to take my elderly mother to the polling station, I had sometimes spent some time, when she was wavering, persuading her to do the right thing.  |
I know, it is funny, I do get the privacy of the ballot box, and the purpose of that.
But, to think that people don’t have conversations of the form, “you are into this politics malarkey, who are we voting for this time” whilst walking up to the polling station, whilst being white British is pretty silly. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:06 - Feb 27 with 1003 views | BlueBadger |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:46 - Feb 27 by Mullet |
Reform have pulled so many dirty tricks up here and still failed. Fake letters, mobilising Britain First under their colours, filming residents for social media content etc
They’re absolute scum. |
Poor old Nige. Someone should have told him that Russian bots aren'r eligible to vote in British elections. |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:11 - Feb 27 with 982 views | Chris_ITFC |
I don’t know which I’m more troubled by…
Farage parroting Trump lines; or Sitters parroting Farage?! |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:20 - Feb 27 with 922 views | MattinLondon |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:11 - Feb 27 by Chris_ITFC |
I don’t know which I’m more troubled by…
Farage parroting Trump lines; or Sitters parroting Farage?! |
Maybe he just has very real concerns about this. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:21 - Feb 27 with 915 views | Pinewoodblue |
This is just Farage doing a Trump appealing to the basic racist instincts of their supporters.
Turning the clock back 60 years, when I was a bit of an activist, although too young to vote. Made myself available to help transport expected Labour voters to the polling station. Doesn’t exactly mean people were being influenced as to how they voted.
If I assist my wife to get to a polling station, she is full time wheelchair user, isn’t any reason to think I influence how she votes. Before she was un wheelchair we always went to polling station together. |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:28 - Feb 27 with 871 views | Fixed_It |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:46 - Feb 27 by Mullet |
Reform have pulled so many dirty tricks up here and still failed. Fake letters, mobilising Britain First under their colours, filming residents for social media content etc
They’re absolute scum. |
At our last local elections, a Labour leafleter, on polling day, was intimidated and harassed by two Reform candidates and had her leaflets taken from her.
But that is probably OK in the Reform rulebook... |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:33 - Feb 27 with 851 views | Guthrum |
While it is of some concern, we don't know what actually went on in the polling booth in those 32 observed cases.
It may have been family members assisting a relative with linguistic, physical or age-related challenges.
Furthermore, we don't know for which candidates the votes in question were cast, or would have been had the family member not been present. Impossible to prove that any were diverted away from Reform as a result. Indeed, Labour is most likely to have been the party who suffered greatest, given national dissatisfaction and local issues such as feelings over Gaza and maybe Burnham.
On a side note, I don't quite understand DV's figures. If they saw 32 cases from a sample of 545 votes cast, how did they arrive at the figure of 12%, rather than 5.9%? Have they simply doubled it because there were two people involved, the (potential) influencer plus the influenced? |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:33 - Feb 27 with 848 views | BlueBadger |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:30 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
Even Ref*rm's delightfully named Chairman Bull on R4 this morning was honest enough to say that it wouldn't have made any difference to the vote. |
Perhaps if they're worried about the minority votes keeping them out, they should stop being hateful towards minority groups? | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:34 - Feb 27 with 838 views | bluelagos |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:33 - Feb 27 by BlueBadger |
Perhaps if they're worried about the minority votes keeping them out, they should stop being hateful towards minority groups? |
Now you're being silly. |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:36 - Feb 27 with 840 views | MrPotatoHead |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:11 - Feb 27 by Chris_ITFC |
I don’t know which I’m more troubled by…
Farage parroting Trump lines; or Sitters parroting Farage?! |
This poster has a history of regularly sharing right wing propaganda on here.
The only upvotes are for team sheets. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:37 - Feb 27 with 812 views | iamatractorboy |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:33 - Feb 27 by Guthrum |
While it is of some concern, we don't know what actually went on in the polling booth in those 32 observed cases.
It may have been family members assisting a relative with linguistic, physical or age-related challenges.
Furthermore, we don't know for which candidates the votes in question were cast, or would have been had the family member not been present. Impossible to prove that any were diverted away from Reform as a result. Indeed, Labour is most likely to have been the party who suffered greatest, given national dissatisfaction and local issues such as feelings over Gaza and maybe Burnham.
On a side note, I don't quite understand DV's figures. If they saw 32 cases from a sample of 545 votes cast, how did they arrive at the figure of 12%, rather than 5.9%? Have they simply doubled it because there were two people involved, the (potential) influencer plus the influenced? |
I assume they are doubling it to account for the potential swing, if the affected parties were going to vote for A, and instead were coerced into voting for B then this would mean a swing of roughly 12%. But that would be assuming that all of those allegedly coerced were a) going to vote for the same party and b) got told to vote for the same (other) party. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:38 - Feb 27 with 807 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:33 - Feb 27 by Guthrum |
While it is of some concern, we don't know what actually went on in the polling booth in those 32 observed cases.
It may have been family members assisting a relative with linguistic, physical or age-related challenges.
Furthermore, we don't know for which candidates the votes in question were cast, or would have been had the family member not been present. Impossible to prove that any were diverted away from Reform as a result. Indeed, Labour is most likely to have been the party who suffered greatest, given national dissatisfaction and local issues such as feelings over Gaza and maybe Burnham.
On a side note, I don't quite understand DV's figures. If they saw 32 cases from a sample of 545 votes cast, how did they arrive at the figure of 12%, rather than 5.9%? Have they simply doubled it because there were two people involved, the (potential) influencer plus the influenced? |
The 32 cases involved 65 voters. |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:40 - Feb 27 with 793 views | iamatractorboy |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:38 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
The 32 cases involved 65 voters. |
Whoops didn't realise that, makes more sense. | | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:40 - Feb 27 with 783 views | Guthrum |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:16 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Where do you get the 6% figure from? Everything I’ve read in the Democracy Volunteers report gives a figure of 12%. They noted 32 cases of family voting affecting 65 voters in a sample of 545 voters.
Of course yiu are correct to say that it’s unlikely it was universal across the entire vote population so would have affected the result but it dies leave open a challenge through the courts. |
Altho their press release does not mention anything other than 32 cases out of 545 observed. https://democracyvolunteers.or
Presumably, with two people in the booth they have counted both votes to get the 65/12%, but one would be the (potential) influencer and the other the influenced, in which case only one of the two votes might be affected by what went on. | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:45 - Feb 27 with 760 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:36 - Feb 27 by MrPotatoHead |
This poster has a history of regularly sharing right wing propaganda on here.
The only upvotes are for team sheets. |
Not sure it is fair to accuse sitters of regularly sharing right wing nonsense.
Was surprised he shared Farage comments. | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:45 - Feb 27 with 756 views | NthQldITFC |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:38 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
The 32 cases involved 65 voters. |
But surely only 32 influenced votes, no, or am I missing something too? Presumably 31 occasions where one 'influencer' accompanied a voter into a booth, and one occasion where two did?
Again, as you and others including Charman Bull himself have said, not significant even at the 12% rate from what is (presumably) a handful of effectively racially-profiled polling stations, also a tiny sample size, something which always goes on and a really bad bit of desperate Trumpian misinformation to keep banging on about. Really, really bad. |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:49 - Feb 27 with 717 views | bracknell_blue |
This is just Farage getting his excuses in whilst appealing to his racist ant-muslim base. Hardly a surprise. Like Trump, you really cannot believe a word that comes out of Farage's mouth. |  |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:51 - Feb 27 with 709 views | Prominent_Blue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:23 - Feb 27 by vapour_trail |
Imagine following and sharing content from that c^*+.
Absolute state of it. |
You live in an echo chamber and you are the problem in this Country. I follow for example, Owen Jones and Richard Burgon on Twitter, whose views are completely opposite to mine but I do because I want to have an informed view. The left leaning people on here are terrible in their vitriol against anyone with an opposite political view. | | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:52 - Feb 27 with 704 views | Kievthegreat |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:45 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
But surely only 32 influenced votes, no, or am I missing something too? Presumably 31 occasions where one 'influencer' accompanied a voter into a booth, and one occasion where two did?
Again, as you and others including Charman Bull himself have said, not significant even at the 12% rate from what is (presumably) a handful of effectively racially-profiled polling stations, also a tiny sample size, something which always goes on and a really bad bit of desperate Trumpian misinformation to keep banging on about. Really, really bad. |
Here's the thing, the racial aspect has been entirely provided by Farage and his underlings. DV never mention it or identify anything about race or ethnicity. There is no evidence out there at the moment to back up Reform's claims. |  | | |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:52 - Feb 27 with 697 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:36 - Feb 27 by MrPotatoHead |
This poster has a history of regularly sharing right wing propaganda on here.
The only upvotes are for team sheets. |
Just to be crystal clear - he’s talking about Sitters, not me.
I don’t want to be accidentally associated with team sheet posting.  | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:53 - Feb 27 with 684 views | NthQldITFC |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:51 - Feb 27 by Prominent_Blue |
You live in an echo chamber and you are the problem in this Country. I follow for example, Owen Jones and Richard Burgon on Twitter, whose views are completely opposite to mine but I do because I want to have an informed view. The left leaning people on here are terrible in their vitriol against anyone with an opposite political view. |
People who want justice and equality are 'the problem in this Country'? | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:55 - Feb 27 with 673 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:45 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
But surely only 32 influenced votes, no, or am I missing something too? Presumably 31 occasions where one 'influencer' accompanied a voter into a booth, and one occasion where two did?
Again, as you and others including Charman Bull himself have said, not significant even at the 12% rate from what is (presumably) a handful of effectively racially-profiled polling stations, also a tiny sample size, something which always goes on and a really bad bit of desperate Trumpian misinformation to keep banging on about. Really, really bad. |
I’m not sure why people are trying to paint respected independent organisation which is accredited by the Electoral Commission as official observers, and a group who observe elections across the continent, as being part of some sort of Trump like smear campaign.
They have published their concerns and these concerns should be looked into. | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:56 - Feb 27 with 650 views | Guthrum |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:38 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
The 32 cases involved 65 voters. |
Yes, but one one in each case was the possible influencer, whose vote would not have been changed by an illegal process. | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:58 - Feb 27 with 627 views | NthQldITFC |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:52 - Feb 27 by Kievthegreat |
Here's the thing, the racial aspect has been entirely provided by Farage and his underlings. DV never mention it or identify anything about race or ethnicity. There is no evidence out there at the moment to back up Reform's claims. |
Good point. | |
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| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 09:59 - Feb 27 with 604 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Should be a re-vote and get it policed properly… on 08:06 - Feb 27 by GeoffSentence |
I have seen ths happen recently. Waiting in the queue to get my ballot paper a spritely grey haired old lady was asked by her doddery old husband where to put his cross. I was quite shocked. Didn't know wether I should say anything. In the end I did the British thing, kept quiet and said 'did you see that ...' to my wife in the way home |
I don’t see how they can stop anything like that. Surely there are millions of households across the UK where people are discussing who they plan to vote for? We’re quite open in ours, but obviously nobody’s coerced. Or are people unconsciously influenced? We’ve all known people who are staunch X voters because their parents were. Just growing up in a politically engaged household could result in shaping of behaviour.
Even in case where there’s intimidation used to coerce people, couldn’t that just happen outside of the polling station environment. That can happen in the home and in community spaces. I don’t see how you can police it. |  |
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