| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? 16:09 - Mar 12 with 2041 views | tommcd |
So another PGMOL apology given for an incorrect decision given to award Stoke the pen.
The argument's often made that these things even out over the course of the season...
Are there any PGMOL apologies given to our opponents throughout the rest of the season to-date that would have been likely to make a significant impact to the final result (ie where a officiating decision that was apologised for helped us to gain more points than would otherwise have been)?
How long have PGMOL been issuing apologies like this anyway? Some of the explanations given during our Prem season were cringe-worthy in their extreme attempts not to apologise. Is making more admissions of fault a way to set the tone for making a VAR-is-great argument (potentially laying groundwork for expansion into the Champ)? Or am I seeing conspiracy where there is none? [Post edited 12 Mar 16:12]
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:14 - Mar 12 with 1891 views | EastTownBlue |
In the season that we beat Leeds to second place Daniel Farke claimed to have 12 PGMOL apologies. |  | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:21 - Mar 12 with 1825 views | Herbivore |
These things don't even themselves out and there's no logical reason why they should. One team can consistently get dodgy decisions in their favour and another can experience the opposite, there's no reason why each team will experience a 50/50 split of iffy decisions for and against them. We have had a couple of last minute penalties this season (might be three in fact) but none of them were awarded incorrectly, which is the key difference with Tuesday where it was as obvious a dive as you're likely to see. |  |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:25 - Mar 12 with 1814 views | dirtyboy |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:14 - Mar 12 by EastTownBlue |
In the season that we beat Leeds to second place Daniel Farke claimed to have 12 PGMOL apologies. |
I sit next to a Leeds fan and each week he'd show me a clip of a failed penalty decision and i'll be honest, they were pretty f*****g unfortunate from memory. |  | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:29 - Mar 12 with 1771 views | homer_123 |
I've always liked the fact that these end up being 'talking points' and can end up being part of the fabric of the club and its DNA.
VAR was brought in to clear up mistakes - it doesn't - it's muddied the waters, it's killed the atmosphere in games and made referring worse in my opinion.
Ref's are human they make mistakes, the same way players do....it's part of the game and an integral one. |  |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:29 - Mar 12 with 1768 views | TractorJack |
Only one I think we sort of got away with was the Furlong push at home to Blackburn. |  | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:31 - Mar 12 with 1752 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:29 - Mar 12 by TractorJack |
Only one I think we sort of got away with was the Furlong push at home to Blackburn. |
Coventry should have got a penalty when we played there. Furlong on Wright. | | | |
| Dont worry about it. on 16:34 - Mar 12 with 1736 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Football isn't fair, its not a level playing field.
Our players and manager made plenty of mistakes too. |  |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:55 - Mar 12 with 1604 views | peterleeblue |
I am a ref and I am sympathetic to the Leicester one.
He did see it late for sure and if he isn't convinced he shouldn't give it. The PGMOL would be supportive to the ref over that whilst admitting that its a mistake as they have done.
But the Stoke one is simply mind blowing. I have first hand insight at National North Level of the refs thought process in those situations. No wanna be Football league refs would be giving that decision. |  | | |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 17:03 - Mar 12 with 1537 views | Linners |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:31 - Mar 12 by tractorboy1978 |
Coventry should have got a penalty when we played there. Furlong on Wright. |
Matusiwa's yellow at Blackburn (I think) was at least an orange. |  | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 17:49 - Mar 12 with 1395 views | VanSaParody |
Again, if a club can be DEDUCTED points, then when PGMOL admit an error that has a direct impact on the result, it's time to award the point(s) to the denied club
Where's our 4 points? |  | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 18:17 - Mar 12 with 1308 views | Herbivore |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:55 - Mar 12 by peterleeblue |
I am a ref and I am sympathetic to the Leicester one.
He did see it late for sure and if he isn't convinced he shouldn't give it. The PGMOL would be supportive to the ref over that whilst admitting that its a mistake as they have done.
But the Stoke one is simply mind blowing. I have first hand insight at National North Level of the refs thought process in those situations. No wanna be Football league refs would be giving that decision. |
He couldn't wait to give it. As soon as the player threw himself down his whistle was straight to his lips. It was so obviously a dive and a competent ref has to spot that. | |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 18:42 - Mar 12 with 1236 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:55 - Mar 12 by peterleeblue |
I am a ref and I am sympathetic to the Leicester one.
He did see it late for sure and if he isn't convinced he shouldn't give it. The PGMOL would be supportive to the ref over that whilst admitting that its a mistake as they have done.
But the Stoke one is simply mind blowing. I have first hand insight at National North Level of the refs thought process in those situations. No wanna be Football league refs would be giving that decision. |
I’d have more sympathy on the Leicester one if the ref said he saw it but viewed it as a com8ng together rather than denying seeing the incident at all | |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 19:16 - Mar 12 with 1127 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
The penalty we were given at Birmingham in the opening game was very dubious and felt like one we’d all be raging if given against us. |  | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 19:25 - Mar 12 with 1083 views | TrumptonBlue |
I still think Akpom tripped over his own feet at Bristol City. |  | | |
| Dont worry about it. on 19:35 - Mar 12 with 1054 views | vapour_trail |
| Dont worry about it. on 16:34 - Mar 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Football isn't fair, its not a level playing field.
Our players and manager made plenty of mistakes too. |
Absolutely right. And this has always been the case.
If we do go up we will have to suffer VAR next season. That’s worse than this. |  |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 19:38 - Mar 12 with 1045 views | Herbivore |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 19:16 - Mar 12 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
The penalty we were given at Birmingham in the opening game was very dubious and felt like one we’d all be raging if given against us. |
Based on the handball rule as it is implemented currently, that was a penalty every day of the week. My main surprise was the ref spotting it as he'd been hopeless all night. | |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 20:40 - Mar 12 with 890 views | Scuzzer |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 17:49 - Mar 12 by VanSaParody |
Again, if a club can be DEDUCTED points, then when PGMOL admit an error that has a direct impact on the result, it's time to award the point(s) to the denied club
Where's our 4 points? |
Or at least one point. |  |
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| Dont worry about it. on 07:20 - Mar 13 with 569 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Dont worry about it. on 16:34 - Mar 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Football isn't fair, its not a level playing field.
Our players and manager made plenty of mistakes too. |
I think thats the way you have to look at it.
Jack Clarke should have buried that chance against Hull, minutes after we scored, but thankfully we got away with it. If Hull had equalised you wouldn't expect KMK to come out and say Clarke made a huge error that cost us points. Yes, the ref got decisions wrong, but so do players and managers every week. | | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 07:24 - Mar 13 with 565 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 19:16 - Mar 12 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
The penalty we were given at Birmingham in the opening game was very dubious and felt like one we’d all be raging if given against us. |
That's my rule of thumb, if you would be fuming if it was awarded against us then in your heart you know it is wrong, or soft at least. It doesn't stop you appealing for them though! | | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 08:01 - Mar 13 with 512 views | brazil1982 |
Blame the player, he cheated the Ref. |  | | |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 08:12 - Mar 13 with 486 views | pointofblue |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 08:01 - Mar 13 by brazil1982 |
Blame the player, he cheated the Ref. |
This. Retrospectively ban players for simulation and maybe it will help the refs in the long run. | |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 08:17 - Mar 13 with 477 views | m14_blue |
| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 16:55 - Mar 12 by peterleeblue |
I am a ref and I am sympathetic to the Leicester one.
He did see it late for sure and if he isn't convinced he shouldn't give it. The PGMOL would be supportive to the ref over that whilst admitting that its a mistake as they have done.
But the Stoke one is simply mind blowing. I have first hand insight at National North Level of the refs thought process in those situations. No wanna be Football league refs would be giving that decision. |
Yeah, exactly. The Leicester one was a shocking mistake but I can sort of see why it happened. Players do go down very easily in the closing moments of a tight match and that's bound to play a part in a ref's decision making, even if that wasn't what happened in this instance.
All of which makes the 10000x softer one given at Stoke in exactly the same circumstances even more infuriating. | | | |
| Dont worry about it. on 08:29 - Mar 13 with 441 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Dont worry about it. on 07:20 - Mar 13 by Blue_In_Boston |
I think thats the way you have to look at it.
Jack Clarke should have buried that chance against Hull, minutes after we scored, but thankfully we got away with it. If Hull had equalised you wouldn't expect KMK to come out and say Clarke made a huge error that cost us points. Yes, the ref got decisions wrong, but so do players and managers every week. |
Quite. This is what annoyed me about some of the responses to our players after the Stoke game. Some people couldn’t wait to call them out rather than acknowledge the Stoke player cheated and the ref was bad enough to fall for it.
As you say, all players don’t execute everything perfectly all the time. Show me a game where there are no mistakes. |  |
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| Dont worry about it. on 08:58 - Mar 13 with 373 views | pointofblue |
| Dont worry about it. on 08:29 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. This is what annoyed me about some of the responses to our players after the Stoke game. Some people couldn’t wait to call them out rather than acknowledge the Stoke player cheated and the ref was bad enough to fall for it.
As you say, all players don’t execute everything perfectly all the time. Show me a game where there are no mistakes. |
I think it needs to be both ways in order to not be hypocritical - blame our players for allowing the ball to get in that position, as there were a litany of mistakes, but also blame the ref for what was an awful decision. | |
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| Another PGMOL apology for the Stoke penalty-that-wasn't... Does it even out? on 09:11 - Mar 13 with 333 views | Olcol |
Does that mean Kipre's yellow card and 2 match ban can be nullified? Because it bloody well should be! | | | |
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